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| dhellmann | good morning | 14:17 |
| haypo | morning dhellmann | 14:17 |
| dims | hi dhellmann haypo | 14:17 |
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| dhellmann | I'm planning to work on code reviews today. Do any of you have anything suggestions for starting places? Anything critical that needs a review? | 14:19 |
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| dims | dhellmann: couple of low hanging ones from me https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144839/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159646/ | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | dims: +2 | 14:56 |
| dims | dhellmann: requirements bump for oslo.context please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161868/ | 14:56 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann | 14:56 |
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| dhellmann | dims: +2 | 14:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Handle non-json http exceptions better https://review.openstack.org/144839 | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: do you have a minute to chat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136842/11 ? | 15:57 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sure! | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | so, what's the story with RFCSysLogHandler? it's broken under eventlet? | 15:58 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: how does the syslog module know how to communicate with the server? I'm still worried that this represents an incompatible change. :-/ | 16:01 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: syslog() is a system call | 16:03 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: so that logger uses that system call to log | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | jd__: right, but how does that call know where the daemon is? | 16:03 |
| jd__ | the problem with the current RFCSysLogHandler is that it's not portable (e.g. /dev/log does not exist everywhere) | 16:03 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: you mean the syslog daemon? | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | IOW, if we accept this and suddenly start using the system call is that going to require a change to the syslog configuration in order to work? | 16:03 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: no | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | how do you know that? | 16:03 |
| jd__ | the syscall logs to the kernel | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:04 |
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| jd__ | your syslog daemon read the kernel and log to a file | 16:04 |
| jd__ | (I say syscall but that's more likely libc call, it may be not that deep) | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, I wasn't sure if it was like that or just an abstraction that had to be configured in a different way | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | jd__: how about the eventlet question from greg? | 16:05 |
| jd__ | no, the point is not to have to configure it :-) | 16:05 |
| jd__ | let me find it | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | right, that makes sense, it just wasn't clear we were actually getting that :-) | 16:06 |
| jd__ | ah right, so this function won't be monkey patched by eventlet so it'll "block" | 16:06 |
| jd__ | that's why I responded it was good because it'll remove races conditions from our code :-> | 16:07 |
| jd__ | I don't think syslog() is that blocking as it's not really I/O | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | that may depend on the implementation | 16:08 |
| jd__ | indeed | 16:08 |
| jd__ | I think it's a good chance unless I miss some regression or cases | 16:08 |
| jd__ | s/change/change/ | 16:08 |
| jd__ | I tested locally on my Darwin system and it makes oslo.log work | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm trying to think through implications for real systems, though | 16:09 |
| jd__ | I don't think syslog is enabled by default on devstack nor devstack-gate | 16:09 |
| jd__ | so we won't see it there | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | right, this is a production thing -- no one uses it on os x | 16:09 |
| jd__ | if someone wants to deploy Gnocchi on BSD it might not work | 16:10 |
| jd__ | (devil advocate mode) | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | there are ways to make that possible without also causing issues for larger scale users | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we could add a new option, for example (as much as I hate having that) | 16:11 |
| jd__ | point being? | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | run for a cycle with the new option, then deprecate it and make it the default behavior to give us feedback | 16:12 |
| jd__ | not changing a code because we are afraid does not sound like a good "behaviour" | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | you're on the receiving end of the hate mail | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | *not | 16:12 |
| jd__ | I mean we are supposed to own and masterize this code :-) | 16:12 |
| jd__ | haha | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | true, but we have real users so sometimes we have to make changes more slowly to allow for adjustments | 16:13 |
| jd__ | actually I'm not even sure a lot of people are using use_syslog=True already | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | aside from the eventlet question, I'm happy with this change now | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, not knowing who uses this feature is part of why changing it concerns me | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | I don't assume that the number is small just because I don't know them | 16:14 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: so what should we do? | 16:16 |
| * dhellmann thinks | 16:16 | |
| dhellmann | jd__: a "comprehensive" approach would be to rename --use-syslog to something like --use-syslog-direct and then add a new --use-syslog-syscall (maybe with better names) | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | then we keep the old behavior for the renamed option and add the new option for using the system call | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | then next cycle we can deprecate --use-syslog-direct for removal | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we could also do something smart like check to see if /dev/log exists, and if it does use the old logger and if it doesn't use the new logger | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | "smart" | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I think this might affect stackforge/os-ansible-deployment but I'm checking | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: the 2nd option is less invasive, and gives us osx support while retaining eventlet support when /dev/log is present | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus24: how so? | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: it's the current community project for deploying openstack via ansible (& lxc) but I was wrong. | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | It doesn't affect it (because the project configures logging for all services it deploys) | 16:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | none of the services are configured with use_syslog = True so it shouldn't affect that project | 16:22 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: 2nd option sounds like "chicken" :) | 16:23 |
| jd__ | I think we should simplify our live and merge this patch as is | 16:24 |
| * dhellmann jd__ you have NO idea how much shit I get when you guys break things | 16:24 | |
| jd__ | bah there's a revert button no? :) | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | jd__: I think it's a good change if we could make it less problematic | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also not breaking things randomly is a good overall goal | 16:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: so how about we turn it on by default and add a config to make it back to the old if necessary? And we deprecate this option right away. | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | jd__: that could result in breaking CD systems | 16:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: err if that's the case then my patch is wrong | 16:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: the feature should be 100% the same AFAICT | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | right, and that's what I can't tell because I don't have anywhere I can test this at scale | 16:26 |
| jd__ | so that's our problem | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | well, except you acknowledge that eventlet won't be patched so performance might suffer | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | *won't be monkeypatching | 16:26 |
| jd__ | probably 0.1% slower but might fix a few bugs :p | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | what I would *rather* do is not have --use-syslog at all, and let deployers use a logging config file to set that up | 16:27 |
| jd__ | so what's the procedure to change code at scale? we ask people to test and then we merge? :) | 16:27 |
| jd__ | ah we can also deprecate use_syslog entirely | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | what we've tried to do is put the change in using a backwards-compatible approach, then encourage folks to turn it on to test it and then make it the default over time | 16:28 |
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| jd__ | do you really think people will test it or is it just a figure to say later "we told you to test it" if it breaks? :) | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | a little of both | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | jd__: why not both? | 16:30 |
| jd__ | :)) | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | it would give us a way to run a gate job with it enabled, though | 16:30 |
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| jd__ | ack, just let me know what I should change in the patch and I will anyway | 16:31 |
| * dhellmann tries to decide which is least invasivce | 16:33 | |
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| dhellmann | if the goal is to have a way to use syslog when /dev/log is not present, then let's just put that check in place and switch between the two logger classes | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | we can revisit deprecation of the direct logger separately that way, and still move ahead adding the support you need | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | jd__: thoughts? | 16:34 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sounds good to me as a first step | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ok, good, thanks | 16:36 |
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| superdan | dhellmann: thanks for the d-g change, I didn't have that on my radar, sorry | 16:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161581 | 16:52 |
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| dhellmann | superdan: np, I'll look at the remaining few updates for those sorts of things -- we don't want any projects using the lib until we have the testing in place, and that requires these other updates | 16:53 |
| superdan | dhellmann: I thought we were letting heat go ahead after the g-r change? | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | superdan: yeah, I forgot about these other things, so we need to try to get them in | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | we don't want a long period of time without those tests in place | 16:55 |
| superdan | dhellmann: these other changes protect us from making another release and breaking them, right? they don't buy us anything for the existing release do they? | 16:56 |
| superdan | s/them/heat, etc/ | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | superdan: right, they protect us from accepting a change that would break if we released it | 16:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove policy from oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/152812 | 16:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Prevent update.py from updating policy https://review.openstack.org/152813 | 16:57 |
| superdan | dhellmann: right, okay, so if heat is okay with the current release they can still iterate, right? We can just not merge anything else in the lib until we know the tests are in place, yes? | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | superdan: yeah | 16:58 |
| superdan | dhellmann: okay cool | 16:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix matchmaker_redis ack_alive fails with KeyError https://review.openstack.org/155673 | 17:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-specs: Dropping graduate-oslo-reports https://review.openstack.org/158736 | 17:01 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_away: it looks like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/adopt-debtcollector is done, is that right? | 17:02 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161581 | 17:04 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/157783 | 17:04 |
| dhellmann | stevemar, ayoung, morganfainberg : it looks like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/graduate-policy is done, is that right? | 17:05 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, was just gonna update that | 17:05 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: I'll let you do the honors :-) | 17:06 |
| stevemar | woo hoo | 17:06 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, i think the honors are yours, i am not an oslo-incubator driver, or the original assignee :) | 17:07 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: ah, ok, well, done | 17:07 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 17:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.log: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161583 | 17:38 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161584 | 17:38 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/160918 | 17:38 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum__, bnemec: does this failure mean anything to either of you? http://logs.openstack.org/49/160649/4/check/gate-oslo.utils-python34/2ef951f/console.html | 17:40 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Hmm, looks like a problem in excutils. We did just merge a change to that. | 17:42 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: it's working for me here locally :-/ | 17:45 |
| bnemec | Oh, it literally got 'expected string or buffer' as the exception message. | 17:46 |
| bnemec | Weird. | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah, something is getting an object, throwing an error with that message, and then that isn't matching the expected error | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | it's python 3, so maybe something got a byte string instead of text? | 17:46 |
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| dimsum__ | looking | 17:49 |
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| bnemec | The change that just merged altered the mocking around that test, maybe py3 is unhappy with one of the new mocked values or something. | 17:50 |
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| dhellmann | ah, yeah, if it got a mock that would do it -- but I wonder why the tests worked on the patch that was merged | 17:51 |
| dimsum__ | bnemec: harlowja_away's commit? https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/commit/2e6517151e2c85e89e8ba3055f7ab9428f495704 | 17:52 |
| bnemec | dimsum__: Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of. | 17:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Use import of zmq package for test skip https://review.openstack.org/154426 | 17:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.vmware: Move missing tests to new oslo_vmware location https://review.openstack.org/161062 | 17:54 |
| beekneemech | Strange, it passes under py34 locally for me as well. :-/ | 17:59 |
| beekneemech | That log is really confusing. Supposedly this error happened 14 seconds before the test commands were actually executed? | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | beekneemech, ha! i just noticed your fun friday name, good one. | 18:20 |
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| beekneemech | stevemar: <3 casual nick friday :-) | 18:20 |
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| needscoffeebadly | dhellmann: yay! | 18:21 |
| needscoffeebadly | Oslo.policy yay | 18:21 |
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| stevemar | CaptainMorgan, where you been! | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | late to the game as usual | 18:23 |
| stevemar | i sent that email yesterday | 18:23 |
| CaptainMorgan | stevemar: shhhhhh | 18:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cliff: Document print_help_if_requested method https://review.openstack.org/159808 | 18:28 |
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| mriedem | rpodolyaka: dimsum__: dhellmann: is this code just used in testing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120870/ | 18:42 |
| mriedem | i'm a bit concerned about requireing testresources in non-test-requirements | 18:42 |
| dimsum__ | mriedem: good point | 18:47 |
| mriedem | b/c a distro that ships oslo.db 1.5.0+ now needs to ship testresources as a runtime dep | 18:47 |
| mriedem | which is wonky | 18:47 |
| mriedem | the only problem i see is with oslo_db.sqlalchemy.utils.is_backend_avail imports provision | 18:49 |
| mriedem | which imports testresources now | 18:49 |
| mriedem | that method is deprecated though | 18:49 |
| mriedem | looks like is_backend_avail is only used in tests though | 18:49 |
| mriedem | i'm gonna open a bug | 18:50 |
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| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+bug/1429233 | 18:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1429233 in oslo.db "oslo.db now requires testresources at runtime" [Undecided,New] | 18:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.db: Move testresources/testscenarios into test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/162272 | 18:58 |
| mriedem | dimsum__: ^ | 18:58 |
| mriedem | rpodolyaka: ^ | 18:58 |
| mriedem | maybe that provision module needs to be moved under tests | 18:58 |
| dimsum__ | mriedem: ack taking a look | 19:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.db: Move testresources/testscenarios into test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/162276 | 19:20 |
| dimsum__ | mriedem: counter review ^^^ | 19:20 |
| mriedem | tricky | 19:22 |
| mriedem | dimsum__: add the bug number in the commit message | 19:22 |
| mriedem | plz | 19:22 |
| dimsum__ | ok | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.db: Move testresources/testscenarios into test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/162276 | 19:23 |
| dimsum__ | mriedem: added you as well | 19:24 |
| mriedem | +1 | 19:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/cliff: Pass user command text to the Command object https://review.openstack.org/147381 | 19:27 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum__, mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158787/ | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's not the one I was thinking of | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__, mriedem : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157135/1/specs/policy/external-library-requirements.rst,cm | 19:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Add general policy on test tooling https://review.openstack.org/158787 | 19:45 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: unless i'm missing something, that seems to backup that test libs shouldn't be imported to requirements.txt | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | I swear we wrote this specific case down somewhere when we decided to do it this way. | 19:48 |
| dhellmann | mriedem: line 44 of that diff | 19:48 |
| mriedem | so oslo_db.sqlalchemy.provision is meant for public consumption? | 19:49 |
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| mriedem | but the public consumption would be tests in other projects, right? | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | mriedem: I don't know off the top of my head, but the module name makes me think so | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | yes | 19:50 |
| mriedem | gross | 19:50 |
| mriedem | couldn't we move that into like oslo.db.fixtures or something? | 19:50 |
| mriedem | we have to package and do legal approvals on everything we ship if the distro (rhel, ubuntu) doesn't provide it, | 19:50 |
| mriedem | so packaging up test libs is not fun | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | maybe? I don't keep up with every patch in every library. rpodolyaka, viktors|afk, and zzzeek would know better about this specific case | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | "we"? | 19:51 |
| mriedem | ibm | 19:51 |
| mriedem | the product i work on | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | k | 19:51 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: the provision thing is mostly intended for consumption by the sqlalhcemy/test_base.py stuff that is public | 19:51 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we're trying to balance "don't specify too many requirements" and "don't make installing it useless" | 19:51 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: using it directly, id ask why doesnt test_base do what you need | 19:52 |
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| mriedem | do what i need? | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: https://review.openstack.org/158787 | 19:52 |
| mriedem | i'm not looking to integrate with this | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: we're going to have to stop expecting projects to use test base classes :-/ | 19:52 |
| mriedem | as a packager, i don't want to package testresources/testscenarios for oslo.db 1.5.0 | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: test_base.py has a fixture in it | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: so, a fixture | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: better ? | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: fixtures are good | 19:53 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: because, AFAICT, we *are* expecting everyone to be on the testX toolchain, including testresources, testscenarios, etc | 19:53 |
| zzzeek | I of course resisted this a lot | 19:53 |
| mriedem | that's totally fine | 19:53 |
| mriedem | as long as it's only required in test-requirements for a project, | 19:54 |
| mriedem | or if the project is a test-only project itself | 19:54 |
| mriedem | e.g. oslo.db.fixtures | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: but that’s where its at. the thigns oslo.db needs to do, are in testresources and testscenrarios | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: meaning what, spin it out into a new project? sure | 19:54 |
| mriedem | yes | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: that woudl be great | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: make it so | 19:54 |
| mriedem | alright | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | wait, what? | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ah | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | hah | 19:54 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: mriedem is proposing that we make a new project that featrues testing fixtrues to use with relational database setups | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: we can expect them to use fixtures, but mixing test base classes started causing initialization order issues in nova. | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | not this cycle | 19:55 |
| dhellmann | feature freeze is next thursday | 19:55 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: i didnt say anyhting about any cycles :) | 19:55 |
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| mriedem | yeah i'm proposing next week | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: oh. yeah probably not | 19:56 |
| mriedem | but right now, for packaging, i have to sed out those requirements from requirements.txt | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: this woudl be a big serious rip the thing apart at the seams kind of change | 19:56 |
| mriedem | so stevedore doesnt puke on startup when they aren't there | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: well then that means essentially revert the whole feature | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | the problem with that approach though is we end up having twice as many libraries | 19:56 |
| stevedore | mriedem, i'm always here | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | maybe it's better just to go back to saying you have to put those test dependencies in your own requirements list | 19:56 |
| mriedem | stevedore: puking? | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: im not really sure how the gerrit got +2’ed if now we have to revert it? is there a regression ? | 19:56 |
| stevedore | mriedem, all the time | 19:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Krause proposed openstack/taskflow: Persistence backend refactor https://review.openstack.org/160889 | 19:57 |
| mriedem | zzzeek: i'm not saying revert | 19:57 |
| mriedem | zzzeek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+bug/1429233 | 19:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1429233 in oslo.db "oslo.db now requires testresources/testscenarios at runtime" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 19:57 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: testresources is a dependencty for provision.py which is a dependency for oslo.db’s tests to run | 19:57 |
| mriedem | zzzeek: yes, i know | 19:57 |
| mriedem | i'm saying, things required for tests should be in test-reqiurements | 19:57 |
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| mriedem | the problem is provision is a public thing for other projects, like nova | 19:57 |
| mriedem | so provision is not in the /tests dir | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: that dependency is requied for *everyones* tests that are currently based on oslo_db.sqlalchemy.test_base | 19:58 |
| mriedem | therefore testresources is not in test-requirements | 19:58 |
| mriedem | sure | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: so…if oyu need it out next week, we just revert | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: its not essential right now, nobody’s really using the elaborate version of the feature | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: FYI this is why i *Really really really* did not want to use all the testresources stuff | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: i had this all working without any of this stuff. lifeless -1’ed it | 19:59 |
| mriedem | like i said, i believe my workaround for now is to sed out the test* entries from requirements.txt before building a package | 19:59 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: go complain to him :) | 19:59 |
| zzzeek | mriedem: i’m not up to speed on our specific building systems, so its btween you and dhellmann for now :) | 20:00 |
| * zzzeek doing actual employer work! woop | 20:00 | |
| mriedem | but now these test libs are in everyone's non-test import path if they are using oslo.db, which is everyone | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: this problem isn't specific to testresources, it's also just an issue with test dependencies in general | 20:00 |
| mriedem | and that grosses me out | 20:00 |
| zzzeek | i just get annoyed when, somethign grosses *me* out, nobody cares, i get rolled over, then four months later, people see it all committed and theyre like WHAT ?! | 20:01 |
| zzzeek | :) | 20:01 |
| mriedem | ping me next time :) | 20:01 |
| mriedem | we can be grossed out together | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | sorry, system got borked | 20:14 |
| mriedem | zzzeek: dhellmann: should i start a ML thread on this to talk about options? | 20:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Dan Krause proposed openstack/taskflow: Persistence backend refactor https://review.openstack.org/160889 | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | mriedem, zzzeek : we also have that spec and can hold the discussion there | 20:24 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: posted to ML and linked to the spec since i already had it written up | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | mriedem: ok | 20:28 |
| mriedem | now apparently i was supposed to have started on a thing that i got an urgent email about at 8am which i didn't see until 2pm :) | 20:29 |
| mriedem | oops | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | oops | 20:29 |
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| lifeless | mriedem: whats the dependency issue ? | 20:39 |
| mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058460.html | 20:39 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:40 |
| lifeless | so the pip upstream folk actually don't like what we do with requirements | 20:41 |
| lifeless | their opinion is that install_requires should only hard-require things needed to to ensure import works, and that actual 'works with X' are an install choice for the end product - e.g. our requirements.txt should not fold into install_requires, and distributors should choose their own requirements.txt based on their needs | 20:42 |
| lifeless | basically you're getting bleed through from that | 20:42 |
| lifeless | this is conceptually no different than e.g. not having hard deps on sqlite/pymysql/pypgsql etc | 20:42 |
| lifeless | I'll follow up on the list on Monday | 20:42 |
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| mriedem | well, more and more optional backend deps are moving to test-requirements | 20:43 |
| mriedem | like oslo.vmware in nova is now in test-requirements, or should be soon | 20:43 |
| lifeless | but my tl;dr is that testscenarios would still be test-requirements for oslo.db | 20:43 |
| lifeless | not requirements | 20:43 |
| mriedem | that was the change i proposed | 20:43 |
| lifeless | makes sense to me | 20:43 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162272/ | 20:43 |
| lifeless | the separate package thing allows crisper requirements and I support that too | 20:44 |
| mriedem | dimsum__: i've restored https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162272/ | 20:44 |
| mriedem | since it doesn't sound like that provision module should move | 20:44 |
| mriedem | unless it's to a separate project | 20:44 |
| mriedem | in L | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem: I thought you said something else in oslo.db imported the provision module, though? | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | if that's true, we have to fix that before we remove the dependency | 20:56 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: oslo_db.sqlalchemy.utils.is_backend_available, which itself is deprecated and only imported into other test modules | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | mriedem: if it's part of the public API of the library, then even though it is deprecated we can't be sure that no apps are using it | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | which means we need to make that work without those test dependencies before we can remove them | 20:57 |
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| jecarey | dhellmann, I'd like to talk to you about this spec when you have a few min https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121459/ | 21:42 |
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| dhellmann | jecarey: sure, what's up? | 21:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/157783 | 22:02 |
| jecarey | dhellmann, I think I helped let this one slip between the cracks. Wondering if any chance for it in Kilo now. | 22:03 |
| dhellmann | jecarey: it's pretty late :-/ is there code? | 22:04 |
| jecarey | dhellmann, yes, he has the code. | 22:04 |
| jecarey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134850/ | 22:05 |
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| jecarey | dhellmann, still need to figure out right answer to questoin of how to gather the messages. | 22:06 |
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| dhellmann | that and, do we need to support contextual forms of all of the existing log-level translator functions? | 22:06 |
| dhellmann | and plurals? | 22:06 |
| jecarey | I'd asked it in an inline comment and he restated with more detail in his comments. | 22:06 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we should really be extending the API of the existing method with some optional keyword args, rather than making new methods | 22:07 |
| jecarey | I don't think we need to support it in the logs. I think this is rare. | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | ok | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | do we have an example of an actual case where we want to do this in an application? | 22:08 |
| jecarey | I've seen some cases in Russian that I helped debug. | 22:09 |
| jecarey | That was actually in the horizon stuff and was a company translation. | 22:09 |
| dhellmann | ok. I don't know enough about this part of the library to know how common it really is, so I wanted to make sure we weren't trying for completeness if we didn't need the feature | 22:09 |
| jecarey | It is rare ... but when it happens there isn't enough information to do the right translation without it. | 22:10 |
| dhellmann | what's an example of a "contextual marker"? is it just a message to the translator, or is it something the user sees somewhere? | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.middleware: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161584 | 22:12 |
| jecarey | month = pgettext("month name", "May") | 22:13 |
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| jecarey | So it provides a hint to the translator when the text is ambigious | 22:13 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I see | 22:14 |
| dhellmann | jecarey: let me spend a little time reading the spec and code. Our cut-off is supposed to be next Thursday, so this is pretty late, but since it all exists we should look at it and see what we can do. | 22:15 |
| jecarey | dhellmann, I appreciate it. Can I ask a procedural question? | 22:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/161583 | 22:16 |
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| dhellmann | jecarey: of course | 22:17 |
| jecarey | What's my responsiblity as the -1er? I kind of expected the author to bring it into the IRC or the meeting. | 22:17 |
| jecarey | I just happened to notice this hadn't moved. | 22:18 |
| dhellmann | jecarey: it's their work, they should follow up | 22:18 |
| dhellmann | I don't remember seeing a ML thread | 22:19 |
| jecarey | I don't either and it doesn't reference one. | 22:20 |
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| jecarey | dhellmann, thanks for the help/guidance. | 22:21 |
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| dhellmann | jecarey: any time! and don't worry too much about it, we have things fall off of the radar every release, that's why we just keep going :-) | 22:24 |
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| flashgordon | zzzeek: got a db question for you on #openstack-nova if you are around | 22:27 |
| zzzeek | flashgordon: ya | 22:27 |
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