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| harlowja | i guess http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/core/types.html#replacing-processors would do it | 00:00 |
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| harlowja | *maybe | 00:00 |
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| harlowja | an example of one of these objects/containers that eventually gets serialized/deserialized via different ways | 00:03 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/persistence/logbook.py#L66 | 00:03 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja: oh hey, didnt see you talking, let me read | 00:15 |
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| harlowja | np | 00:15 |
| harlowja | sorry about that, gotta use the prefix more, haha | 00:15 |
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| harlowja | i think i might of answered my own question, but anything u think would be cool | 00:15 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja: wahts wrong with TypeDecorator | 00:16 |
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| harlowja | so i'd have to put that in the logbook.py right, which then puts sqlalchemy logic at the toplevel right, instead of just being a sqlalchemy thing | 00:16 |
| zzzeek | since you mention backends, a TypeDecorator can look at the backend if you want (http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/core/types.html#backend-agnostic-guid-type), or you can make a “variant” type where the special type is only on some backends | 00:16 |
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| harlowja | right, but lets say i have a backend for zookeeper (that doesn't use sqlalchemy) | 00:17 |
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| zzzeek | does it talk to a database ? | 00:17 |
| harlowja | negative, it uses zookeeper to store the same data that the sqlachemy one does | 00:17 |
| zzzeek | or you’re saying, this is a nonrealtional backend | 00:17 |
| zzzeek | ok | 00:17 |
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| harlowja | ya, that | 00:17 |
| zzzeek | and….you are trying to get some of SQLAlhcemy’s typing beahvior to be agnostic in that way ? | 00:18 |
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| zzzeek | so, you’d need to invent someting for your zookeeper backend, and then your sqlalchemy backend would somehow know how to pull that “something” into a TypeDecorator | 00:18 |
| harlowja | ya, like know how to understand that when given a blah object to write, pass it through a thing to translate it into sqlalchemy internal thingy | 00:18 |
| harlowja | sure, i gotta look at more of what a typedecorator is doing, ha | 00:19 |
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| zzzeek | but you dont want SQLA involved when you use the zookeeper backend | 00:19 |
| harlowja | right | 00:19 |
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| zzzeek | yeah this is just some adapter pattern you have to roll | 00:19 |
| harlowja | kk, i already have some kind of adapter thing, gonna refactor it to see if it can be nicer | 00:20 |
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| harlowja | lets see what i can do with TypeDecorator thingy | 00:21 |
| harlowja | see how that goes | 00:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/oslo.utils: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/124954 | 06:09 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann : I tried to use oslo.i18n in new fresh devstack environment, but still getting same error "ImportError: cannot import name i18n" | 07:45 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann due to line "from oslo import i18n" | 07:46 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, while running ./run_test.sh | 07:47 |
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| viktors|afk | zzzeek: ping | 07:47 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, I am trying to convert exception messages of glanceclient into i18n | 07:47 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann: there? | 07:48 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, I have also tried to solve the issue using getutils.py as in python-novaclient https://github.com/openstack/ | 07:57 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, but probably missing somehting | 07:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed a change to openstack/oslo.db: Provide better details for execution failure https://review.openstack.org/121452 | 10:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/oslo.messaging: TEST PY3 https://review.openstack.org/125600 | 11:26 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, there? | 12:04 |
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| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: still around? | 13:09 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: hi! | 13:19 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, here | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | hi, viktors | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | hi, exploreshaifali | 13:20 |
| viktors | dhellmann: as for your comment to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125370/2/glance/db/migration.py | 13:20 |
| viktors | could you please explain, how you imagine this? | 13:20 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, so what should I do for that import error pastebin.com/6CWJPp7r | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | viktors: if glance needs to know the name of the db driver, we should provide a function for that. If it just needs a way to get the migration backend directly, maybe that's what we should return. But no code outside of oslo.db should look at the values of options defined by oslo.db directly because that means you can't move or rename the option without breaking the consumer. | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: I think I missed some of the scrollback. What are you trying to do? | 13:22 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, I am trying to fix bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1199640 | 13:23 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, facing problem mentioned here https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/48420/import-error-no-module-named-i18n/ | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: do you have a patch I can look at? | 13:24 |
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| exploreshaifali | I have sudbmitte 3-4 patches | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: if you give me a link, I can try to reproduce the problem you are having | 13:25 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, will u able to see all versions of patches using latest link, asking this because the latest patch contain unnecessary imports to | 13:26 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, or should i resubmit patch an then give u the link | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: is it patch 123789? | 13:27 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: thanks, will look at this way. Proper oslo.config usage - is still a gap in my openstack experience :) | 13:27 |
| dhellmann | viktors: yeah, maybe we should set aside some time for the whole team to talk about these sorts of principles at the summit? I'm sure others have ideas for things like this, too. :-) | 13:28 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, yes the currentoneis that only | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: I don't see an integration module in glanceclient http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/usage.html#creating-an-integration-module | 13:29 |
| viktors | dhellmann: nice idea, will join this talk :) | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | viktors: maybe we'll do it on friday during the unstructured time | 13:30 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, means? | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: the docs I linked to show how to create a little module inside of glanceclient to configure oslo.i18n. You can't just import it, you have to create some runtime settings. | 13:31 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, are u asking me to include following lines: http://pastebin.com/85mF8sRD | 13:32 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, I have tried that and getting same import error | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: give me a few minutes and I will try to put together a change for you | 13:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack/oslo.i18n: Fix indentation in example source https://review.openstack.org/125634 | 13:35 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, cool :) | 13:35 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo.utils: Improve docstrings for IP verification functions https://review.openstack.org/124634 | 13:37 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, just to confirm, this http://pastebin.com/A3YB0Yuz should be final code that should work and requirements.txt should "oslo.i18n>=1.0.0" | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: it looks like you need to sync changes from the oslo-incubator in order to make this work | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: you should never edit files under openstack/common by hand, those are all copied from the openstack/oslo-incubator repository | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: in the case of python-glanceclient, you are far enough out of date that you also need to update to use oslo.utils instead of some of the modules that used to be in the incubator | 13:43 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, okay, so probably I need to make changes in oslo-incubator? | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: the incubator versions of those modules have the translations enabled | 13:44 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, I am new to openstack, not getting much of the stuff what u are saying... but should I need to modify oslo.utils? | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: ok, sorry, let me explain more | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | the oslo program creates shared code in 2 ways: we have some libraries, and we have an "incubator" of code that is shared but not stable enough for a library | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | incubated modules are copied into the projects that want to use them, until the API is stable, and then we make that code into a library | 13:46 |
| exploreshaifali | oslo.utils, oslo.i18n are libraries or incubators? | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | all of the code under glanceclient/openstack/common comes from the incubator, and so to change that code you first have to change it "upstream" in the openstack/oslo-incubator repository and then copy it into the glanceclient project again | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | we have tools to help with the copying, to ensure you get all of the dependencies, etc. | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | oslo.utils and oslo.i18n are examples of libraries | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | there is only one incubator, oslo-incubator: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator | 13:48 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, okay, first I need to modify openstack/oslo-incubator | 13:50 |
| exploreshaifali | but https://git.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-incubator link is not working | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: normally, yes, however in this case the work you are trying to do has already been done in oslo-incubator, it just needs to be copied into glanceclient | 13:51 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, and does devstack doesnot contain oslo-incubator | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | however, the updates in the incubator also require a new dependency on oslo.utils | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: right, oslo-incubator is not installed -- it is just a place to grow code that is copied into the other projects' git repositories until we stabilize the API | 13:52 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, ok so what should I do to get updated inubator code? | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: we've written some instructions in the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Incubation | 13:53 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, as u said, code under incubator is already modified, so same updated code should reflect now in glanceclient too | 13:54 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, and with this modified code does any thing else is remained for me to do in order to fix that bug, that is to make exception messages in i18n | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: yes, however, the i18n changes were not the only changes to the code in the incubator. We also removed some modules that went into new libraries we created during the last release, so you will need to update glanceclient to look for those modules in their new library instead of under glanceclient | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: if glanceclient defines any of its own exceptions, you may need to update those to use _() | 13:56 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, why this updated code of incubator is not coming with glanceclient? | 13:57 |
| exploreshaifali | does it is in testing phase? | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: each project needs to be udpated by hand, and glanceclient has not yet been updated | 13:58 |
| exploreshaifali | so I will be updated on the decided date, right? | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: there is no automatic or scheduled process for doing the updates -- it is up to each project maintainer to decide when they are ready and update their code | 13:59 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, k so currently I should first try to get updated incubator code and then test for any compatiblity problem with _() | 13:59 |
| exploreshaifali | in glanceclient | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: yes, updating from the incubator and fixing the issues you will find when you do that is your first step | 14:00 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, ok Thanks :) | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: let us know if you run into trouble! | 14:06 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, surely, just one more question | 14:06 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, as u said I can't make any change under common dir | 14:07 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, so does it mean that all the changes for i18n messages will be already done by updated incubator? | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: many will be. I do not know if they are all done. | 14:08 |
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| exploreshaifali | dhellmann, if some are not than I should try to modify incubator only and not common/exceptions.py | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | exploreshaifali: yes, that's right | 14:11 |
| exploreshaifali | k so my current task is of testing :P | 14:13 |
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| ihrachyshka | rpodolyaka: so the fix for mysql connection failure seems to work. though we got into another issue (systemd killing neutron before it succeeds to connect to mariadb). but that's probably something to ask mariadb guys about (I wonder why they need >1 min to start a tiny db) | 14:19 |
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| rpodolyaka | ihrachyshka: ack. thanks! | 14:44 |
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| i159 | jamespage: Hi! I have a proposition to you. We have a plan to implement RabbitMQ heartbeating, and we implemented it in our product. The approach is different from your patch. My proposal is: I'll implement our approach in a several days, then I'll ask you to review it and maybe we can aggregate the best ways into single patch, doesn't metter who will be the owner of the merged patch. How do you think is it makes sense? | 15:28 |
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| i159 | jamespage: Please, let me know about your opinion anytime you can. thank you! | 15:39 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | zzzeek: hey! quick question: is there a way to get a Connection instance given a raw DB API connection? (I need one in first_connect() event handler) | 19:40 |
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| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: there’s a way to do it but it isn’t terribly public. what are we doing | 19:41 |
| rpodolyaka1 | zzzeek: that's what I thought too. so the reason I need is this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125347/ | 19:42 |
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| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: another way to do this is : event.listen(Engine, “engine_connect”, fn, once=True) . we’d have to add support for that to the 0.8 engine_connect.py compatibility layer | 19:43 |
| rpodolyaka1 | zzzeek: after ^ change one of the unit tests is broken and I'm struggling to find a clean way to replace that clever SQL rewriting you've added :) | 19:43 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: however, to do the connection, it looks like: https://github.com/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/blob/master/lib/sqlalchemy/engine/strategies.py#L162 | 19:44 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125347/1/oslo/db/sqlalchemy/session.py we are already in a MySQL-specific function, why can’t you work with the raw cursor ? | 19:45 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: oh b.c. of a test failng | 19:45 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: well we’d need to change the test | 19:45 |
| rpodolyaka1 | zzzeek: yep | 19:46 |
| rpodolyaka1 | I'm just not sure where to put the mock… | 19:46 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka1: oh. i can look | 19:46 |
| rpodolyaka1 | before_cursor_execute() trick was really nice | 19:46 |
| exploreshaifali | I want to sync glanceclient code with current updated oslo-incubator, looking for its guidlines here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Incubation but not getting exactly what is to be done for same | 19:47 |
| exploreshaifali | dhellmann ^ | 19:47 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | zzzeek: ok, thanks a lot! | 19:48 |
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| HenryG | Hi, I have a "generic" question about databases. Hoping to get some input from DB experts like zzzeek, rpodolyaka, etc. | 20:08 |
| HenryG | I work in Neutron, where there is talk about splitting out some features from the tree and having them instead be separately installed packages. | 20:08 |
| HenryG | The problem is these features currently have tables in the Neutron database. Most of them have foreign key dependencies on core tables. | 20:08 |
| HenryG | What are some ways of addressing this? Could the package add its tables to the Neutron DB when it is installed? Or should the package create its own database on the same connection with triggers or something instead of FKs? | 20:08 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: an architecture like that is possible. though it might be troublesome at the maintenance level | 20:09 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Thanks. Sorry, an architecture like what? | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: these spinoff apps can have their own migration streams, their own MetaData / Base etc., they would just need to import the core table metadata/models in order to establish ForeignKeyConstraint objects | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | at the Python and DDL level there shouldn’t be any problem. | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | its just if the core app wants to radically change things, now the dependent projects have to react to that | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | it also might lead to some challenging complexity at the query level, if the core library wants to be able to query all kinds of things but then it doesnt know about every table it wants to query, and the plugin apps have to inject things into those queries, that is doable but is easy to mis-architect | 20:11 |
| HenryG | Do you have a different architecture in mind? | 20:13 |
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| zzzeek | HenryG: erm well if you really need all these apps as plugins and they have tables, that would be how to do it….but it depends really on how much interrelation there is between the plugin and the core system | 20:15 |
| zzzeek | the FK dependency isn’t a big deal by itself, but it gets into, do these dependent apps need to build big queries that include the core classes, and then deos that mean the dependencies have lots and lots of internal concepts from the core bleeding over | 20:16 |
| zzzeek | which might be fine, its a lot of “depends" | 20:16 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: i think jsut as I’ve looked over a lot of openstack code ive seen a lot of mistakes made on much simpler problems, so…its like yes this architecture is valid but isn’t necessariily for novices :) | 20:17 |
| HenryG | Well then I should steer clear. :) | 20:19 |
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| zzzeek | HenryG: i dont want to discourage you, its not a bad idea. i just feel like, hey if you folks can add me to your reviews at least so i can make sure they aren’t going nuts :) | 20:23 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Thanks! I will encourage the Neutron devs to include you for all these things. | 20:27 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: If we want to go down this path it might be good to list some patterns that have pitfalls or might lead to unwanted complexity, and set up some guidelines saying "Don't do this." | 20:31 |
| zzzeek | HenryG: the “dont do this” comes when you find yourself repeating lots of code between projects | 20:31 |
| HenryG | :) I suspect that other projects (nova?) are also looking at breaking out plugins. There should be a summit session for it. | 20:33 |
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| zzzeek | HenryG: unfortuantely i have to miss the summit | 20:51 |
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| HenryG | zzzeek: That's too bad. | 20:53 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Not sure where I picked it up, but are you Boston based? | 20:53 |
| zzzeek | nyc | 20:53 |
| HenryG | ok | 20:54 |
| HenryG | zzzeek: Thanks for your time. I'll keep in touch. | 20:55 |
| zzzeek | ok | 20:55 |
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| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: will push in a moment | 21:28 |
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