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| zzzeek | heya dhellmann : if we move forward with deeper SQLA extensions in oslo.db, what do you think of this change to tox.ini, is this feasible and how would downstream test runners need to change: http://paste.openstack.org/show/85190/ | 00:30 |
| zzzeek | i tried other ways of making that work but right now you can’t have the conflicting requiremnents all as “deps” in tox | 00:31 |
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| zzzeek | well im going to stick it in a gerrit tomorrow :) | 00:56 |
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| boris-42 | markmc hi | 08:11 |
| boris-42 | markmc I should write spec to https://github.com/openstack/oslo-specs ?? | 08:11 |
| boris-42 | markmc or oslo.messaging has separated repo? | 08:11 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | boris-42: oslo-specs repo is used to track specs to all projects within oslo program | 08:22 |
| boris-42 | rpodolyaka1 ah great thanks | 08:23 |
| rpodolyaka1 | boris-42: np | 08:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed a change to openstack/oslo-specs: Enable cross service profiling https://review.openstack.org/103825 | 09:51 |
| boris-42 | markmc ^ I added spec | 09:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Pekelny proposed a change to openstack/oslo.db: Opportunistic migration tests https://review.openstack.org/93424 | 10:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed a change to openstack/oslo.messaging: Enable cross service profiling https://review.openstack.org/103271 | 10:56 |
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| jaosorior | Anybody here working with oslo.messaging? | 11:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | jaosorior: the question is ambiguous, but yes | 11:15 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: it looks like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/oslo-db-lib is pretty close to done (some of the TODO items like ACLs are done). Can you review it and update its status, please? | 11:41 |
| viktors | dhellmann: hi! I think, that the single TODO is left - Update consumers | 11:45 |
| viktors | not all projects use oslo.db - only keystone and neutron at the moment | 11:45 |
| viktors | can I close this BP without the lats item& | 11:46 |
| viktors | ? | 11:46 |
| dhellmann | viktors: yes, you've released the library so let's close that bp and use something else to track adoption (bps in each project, perhaps) | 11:49 |
| dhellmann | viktors: I'm going to remove that todo item from the template list on the wiki page | 11:50 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: ok, I'll close this BP | 11:50 |
| dhellmann | viktors: if you keep https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status up to date, I'll be happy with the tracking and the PTLs of the other projects can decide if they want blueprints or not | 11:51 |
| viktors | dhellmann: oh, I missed this etherpad. Will do | 11:52 |
| dhellmann | viktors: when we move to storyboard, it will be a little easier to track all of this in one place, but I'm not sure about our ability to have cross-project bp dependencies in lp | 11:52 |
| viktors | dhellmann: also we are suppose to release oslo.db 0.3.0 after we will get merged i159_'s patches with opportunistic migration tests for sqla-migrate and alembic | 11:56 |
| dhellmann | viktors: ok, thanks, I'll mention that today in the project meeting to give the other teams a little notice | 11:56 |
| dhellmann | viktors: do you have an estimate for when that will be? this week? next week? | 11:57 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann Hi | 11:59 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: as soon as we'll merge some patches. I really hope, this week, but I'm not sure :) | 12:00 |
| viktors | Also we with rpodolyaka1 also want to ask some question to Mike about migration tests for alembic implementation. | 12:00 |
| dhellmann | viktors: ok, I'll say "soon" :-) | 12:00 |
| viktors | dhellmann: :) | 12:00 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann hi=) | 12:01 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann could you pls take a look at my spec for osprofiler | 12:12 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ | 12:12 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-specs: Update the sphinx version of the module https://review.openstack.org/103387 | 12:13 |
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| dhellmann | boris-42: I'm about to head in to the office for the day, but I will look at it. | 12:16 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann thanks | 12:16 |
| jaosorior | yeah, so is the coverage in oslo.messaging working for anyone? haven't gotten it to give results :/ | 12:16 |
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| boris-42 | markmc pls could you take a look at my spec as well.. | 12:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed a change to openstack/oslo.messaging: Raise if invalid conf is given to get_transport https://review.openstack.org/103866 | 12:41 |
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| rpodolyaka | zzzeek: hey! are you around? | 14:58 |
| zzzeek | heya | 14:59 |
| rpodolyaka | a quick question on alembic | 14:59 |
| rpodolyaka | to make sure I understand things correctly | 14:59 |
| rpodolyaka | some time ago we had a patch to oslo.db to add an API layer to unify alembic/migrate migrations | 14:59 |
| rpodolyaka | so that I could pass a migrations repo dir and a Connection/Engine instance and run migrations scripts for this particular connection | 15:00 |
| rpodolyaka | for migrate this is quite straightforward | 15:00 |
| rpodolyaka | but for alembic we had to use some private API functions | 15:00 |
| zzzeek | the connecvtion/engine setup is done by env.py | 15:01 |
| rpodolyaka | to run migration scripts programatically | 15:01 |
| zzzeek | you have control over that | 15:01 |
| rpodolyaka | yep | 15:01 |
| rpodolyaka | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71874 | 15:01 |
| rpodolyaka | but env.py is bound to a particular migration repo, right? | 15:01 |
| rpodolyaka | so the question is more like, I can't provide one within oslo.db | 15:01 |
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| rpodolyaka | as I can't know in advance how it will be used in a consuming project like e.g. nova | 15:02 |
| zzzeek | the front end env.py is in a migration repo but you can certainly control what it does externally | 15:02 |
| zzzeek | i dont see why you had to take apart command.upgrade here | 15:03 |
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| rpodolyaka | afair, we coundn't do something like: with environment.EnvironmentContext(...): upgrade() | 15:04 |
| rpodolyaka | passing an existing Connection instance | 15:04 |
| zzzeek | you can put a Connection into the config and have your env.py read it | 15:05 |
| zzzeek | its so ironic that you say migrate is easier. the whole point of env.py was because of hte massive monkeypatching i had to do to get migrate to do the simplest things | 15:05 |
| zzzeek | when i used migrate, it called create_engine() in no less than three places | 15:05 |
| rpodolyaka | heh | 15:05 |
| zzzeek | it was utterly impossible to control where it did anything with connections and transactions were a total non starter | 15:06 |
| rpodolyaka | yep | 15:06 |
| zzzeek | with env.py i said, never again. i will give a script to the user, that they can do anything with | 15:06 |
| zzzeek | so you can pass anything at all to env.py, you are the one calling it! | 15:06 |
| zzzeek | and writing it! | 15:06 |
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| rpodolyaka | ok, so if I understand you correctly, you say that a consuming project must be somehow 'ready' for passing a connection to env.py? | 15:07 |
| zzzeek | it woudl be the most straightforward way, i could look some more and see other ways also | 15:07 |
| zzzeek | the env.py is responsible for figuring out where the connection comes from | 15:08 |
| zzzeek | by deafult its looking in alembic.ini | 15:08 |
| zzzeek | im sure openstack projects dont use that | 15:08 |
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| rpodolyaka | yeah, I'm looking at neutron code right now and they use their own configs, parse them with oslo.config and create an Engine instance based on that url | 15:09 |
| zzzeek | im not sure how this patch woudl even work, woudlnt a non-cooperating env.py just override the connection you’re putting in there? | 15:09 |
| zzzeek | projects using oslo.db should absolutely be using an oslo.db env.py, their own env.py should be: “from oslo.db import env; env.run()” | 15:10 |
| zzzeek | just like you see in everyone’s setup.py using “pbr” | 15:10 |
| rpodolyaka | cool, we should add one :) | 15:10 |
| zzzeek | that’s waht i usually do, the env.py in the migrate dir just becomes a stub | 15:10 |
| zzzeek | pulls in a more authoriative env.py from elsewhere | 15:10 |
| rpodolyaka | seems that we'll need this for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99965/13/oslo/db/sqlalchemy/test_migrations.py | 15:14 |
| rpodolyaka | and until consuming projects don't cooperate with us (until we don't provide common env.py), it seems that we'll need to monkey-patch projects env.py in tests | 15:14 |
| rpodolyaka | in order to pass the Engine instance we want | 15:15 |
| zzzeek | OK well env.py is totally responsible for setting up environment. here we’re getting into, you’re trying to skip that. and there’s no API for skipping env.py | 15:15 |
| zzzeek | b.c. the idea of env.py is that there could be totally crazy things going on like, it connects to three different DBs and runs them all. but. what if a program wants to override env.py, lets look | 15:15 |
| zzzeek | all you’d really want is to be able to inject ScriptDirectory.run_env() | 15:17 |
| zzzeek | not a big deal | 15:17 |
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| rpodolyaka | zzzeek: ok, will take a look alembic API once again, thanks a lot! | 15:31 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: if we need enhancement to change run_env(), let me know | 15:32 |
| rpodolyaka | zzzeek: ok | 15:32 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: i think having everyone use oslo.db.env.py is best but we can do either | 15:32 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann_ hi | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | I know jogo is the main guy to talk to for hacking stuff, but I've thrown together a PoC for a security check, was wondering if anybody can tell me if I'm headed in the right direction and help me sort out some next steps | 17:35 |
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| tongli | trying to use oslo.messaging , producer post a message, wanting to have 2 or more consumers to consume same messages. | 17:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Ability to customize default_log_levels for each project https://review.openstack.org/94001 | 17:57 |
| tongli | can anyone tell me how this is done using oslo.messaging? | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | jogo_away: you really away? :) | 18:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: update new requests logger to default WARN https://review.openstack.org/103960 | 18:26 |
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| dhellmann | dims, flaper87|afk, markmc, jd__, or haypo : do any of you have time for a spot check of this spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97296/4 | 18:30 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann I know you are busy a lot | 18:31 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-specs: Add API details section to graduation spec https://review.openstack.org/102269 | 18:31 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann but it will be soon feature freeze and all that crap | 18:31 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann and this small patch in oslo.messaging is essential -> to be able to show others to osprofiler works | 18:32 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: sorry, I was out yesterday so I'm still catching up with everything I missed | 18:32 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann yep sure =) | 18:32 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann I really don't know why people is afraid so | 18:42 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann about profiler | 18:42 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann it doesn't add any overhead if you don't use it... | 18:43 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann even if it is turned on.. | 18:43 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: because not everyone has time to read the code to verify that claim | 18:43 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann I replied on your comments | 18:49 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann should I fix somehow description? | 18:51 |
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| boris-42 | dhellmann so actually I should change API | 18:59 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann in osprofiler | 18:59 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann to move one patch from oslo.messaging | 18:59 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: please put this info in the spec or the review comments | 19:00 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann but it's just 0.1.3 not 0.2.0 version | 19:00 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann I already I am going to put in spec | 19:00 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: ok | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann is it point one clear now? | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann about message? | 19:01 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: I'll have to get back around to look at the spec again in a bit | 19:01 |
| harlowja | zzzeek where u located (out of curosity) | 19:06 |
| zzzeek | brooklyn ny | 19:06 |
| harlowja | nice, good ole brooklyn | 19:06 |
| zzzeek | come on over there’s great bars here | 19:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Boris Pavlovic proposed a change to openstack/oslo-specs: Enable cross service profiling https://review.openstack.org/103825 | 19:08 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, wanted to ask you, do you prefer when people use sqlalchemy.and_ / .or_ + session.query().filter or using the session.query().filter_by mechanisms? | 19:12 |
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| zzzeek | do you mean multple filter calls vs. using and_() ? | 19:12 |
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| morganfainberg | zzzeek, .filter_by(thing=<value>) or .filter(and_(MODEL.id == <val>, etc)) | 19:13 |
| zzzeek | they are all fine, filter_by() is a little less reliable, fixed some bugs in it recently | 19:13 |
| morganfainberg | right | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | i prefer filter, but flake8 balks at 'Model.Column == None' | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | says you need to use 'is None' | 19:14 |
| zzzeek | we should remove that flake8 rule | 19:14 |
| zzzeek | ive seen it removed in some suites already | 19:14 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, i'll propse that on the ML | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | propose* | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | if you really want to avoid the == you can say Column.is_(None) | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | or Column == sql.null() | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | or Column.is_(sql.null()) | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | ah | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | :) | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | all of which are more of a PITA | 19:15 |
| morganfainberg | that might be a good alternative | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | im not 100% sure those are all more backend-agnostic. i think they are. true()/ false() are more flaky | 19:15 |
| zzzeek | like if you say column.is_(true()) | 19:16 |
| zzzeek | that might fail on MySQL | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, have to say it's kinda cool being our own downstream :P | 19:16 |
| zzzeek | yeah | 19:16 |
| morganfainberg | get to ask all these questions :) | 19:16 |
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| morganfainberg | i think the .and_() and .or_() + .filter() is way easier to read in code, which is why i was asking | 19:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed a change to openstack/oslo.db: Test for distinct SQLAlchemy major releases https://review.openstack.org/103975 | 19:16 |
| zzzeek | OK who wants to be a reviewer on that | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, anyway thanks! | 19:17 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, i need lunch :P catch ya a bit later on | 19:17 |
| zzzeek | later | 19:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed a change to openstack/oslo.db: Test for distinct SQLAlchemy major releases https://review.openstack.org/103975 | 19:21 |
| ihrachyshka | zzzeek, what,s your timezone? I have stuff to discuss with you. | 19:21 |
| zzzeek | EDT | 19:21 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, meaning you'll be avail the next hour :) correct? | 19:23 |
| zzzeek | If im still sitting here…. :) | 19:23 |
| zzzeek | what are we talking about | 19:23 |
| zzzeek | and/or do you want to send me a review or somethign up front | 19:23 |
| ihrachyshka | more of discussion regarding db lock timeouts we experience in neutron | 19:24 |
| zzzeek | ok | 19:24 |
| zzzeek | my short answer to that is, “dont use locks” :) | 19:25 |
| ihrachyshka | you can check https://review.openstack.org/103540 to get the history of our failure :) | 19:28 |
| harlowja | zzzeek when i get back in NY might take u up on that (most of my family is in NYC or upstate, aka the rest of NY, ha) | 19:29 |
| dhellmann | flaper87|afk: the issue with duplicate option errors is likely caused by those options not having exactly the same settings (check the help text, for example) | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | flaper87|afk: let me know if syncing the incubator into glance doesn't fix it | 19:30 |
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| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: my immediate thought there is that you are seeing traditional deadlocks. it’s not specific to using eventlet, though eventlet’s timing may increase the chance of such a thing happening. | 19:34 |
| zzzeek | concurrent transactions happen regardless of eventlet or even threads being in use | 19:34 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: although, I guess if the other side of the deadlock is that eventlet won’t context switch back until the second actor is done, then yes eventlet is a player here, OK | 19:35 |
| ihrachyshka | zzzeek, how so? if mysqldb blocks thread switch, where do concurrent transactions come from? | 19:35 |
| zzzeek | a deadlock can occur just with two mutually dependent locks, shared between two processes. | 19:36 |
| zzzeek | but youre rgiht, here, its just one lock and the other “lock” is eventlet not context switching back | 19:36 |
| zzzeek | but, hmm | 19:37 |
| zzzeek | wouldnt eventlet go to thread #2, do the thing, hit the lock, then that’s blocking IO, so it switches back again? | 19:37 |
| ihrachyshka | it locks deep in c code in mysqldb, so no event | 19:38 |
| zzzeek | OK | 19:38 |
| ihrachyshka | et monkey patching | 19:38 |
| zzzeek | well then this goes back to waht I’ve talked about a few weeks ago somehwere, one sec | 19:38 |
| zzzeek | look into alternative drivers: http://www.diamondtin.com/2014/sqlalchemy-gevent-mysql-python-drivers-comparison/ | 19:38 |
| ihrachyshka | aha, that's what I actually searched for | 19:39 |
| zzzeek | or try to work aroudn the lock. are you using SELECT FOR UPDATE ? | 19:39 |
| ihrachyshka | yes, we do use it | 19:39 |
| zzzeek | is that the source of the row lock ? | 19:39 |
| ihrachyshka | let me show one of the patches to workaround a particular deadlock scenario | 19:40 |
| ihrachyshka | it's https://review.openstack.org/100934 | 19:41 |
| ihrachyshka | yes, this is probably the source, we have multiple locks like that in neutron (don't ask me why) :) | 19:41 |
| harlowja | zzzeek if u interested, https://bitbucket.org/eventlet/eventlet/pull-request/29/fix-use-of-semaphore-with-tpool-issue-137/diff#comment-126671 is the known issue with eventlet (i believe this is the right link) | 19:42 |
| zzzeek | is the idea, send notifcations outside of transaction blocks ? | 19:42 |
| harlowja | chris (comstud) can be found in the #openstack-nova channel afaik | 19:42 |
| ihrachyshka | yes, it's the idea | 19:42 |
| ihrachyshka | but the patch is ugly, so I don't want to extend the approach | 19:42 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: if you send a notifaction outside of the transaction block, then that whole thread is done, isnt the issue that the sending of that notifcation will interrupt some other thread? which then could be contending with a third? | 19:43 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: im not deeply experienced with async so i could be misunderstanding. but this code pattern, you could clean it up so that it isn’t “ugly” | 19:45 |
| zzzeek | e.g. build it into “context” and the context manager | 19:45 |
| zzzeek | just like a web framework, add “post-transaction” callables | 19:45 |
| ihrachyshka | I guess thread1 opens transaction, locks on a row, then triggers rpc, it yields to thread2 that also locks on the row, the latter is blocked, but mysqdb does not yield since it's not under eventlet control | 19:46 |
| zzzeek | so inside of self.disassociate_floatingips() -> context.post_transaction(self.notify_routers_updated, context, router_ids) | 19:46 |
| ihrachyshka | zzzeek, that's exactly what my spec I've sent before is about :) | 19:47 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: OK….. hmm so you know for sure that context does not siwtch between thread1-> transaction completed and “triggers rpc” because there are no blocking operations | 19:47 |
| ihrachyshka | hm. I didn't get the last one | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | hey somebody | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | stupid question | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | when we are testing for example cinder | 19:49 |
| boris-42 | we are using oslo.messaging from master in cinder gates? | 19:49 |
| ihrachyshka | I know that in neutron, if you call anything that can yield under transaction, it may result in db lock timeout | 19:49 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: im trying to confirm in my head why we know that, thread1 completes transaction, thread2 starts new transaction, locks row, thread1 sends RPC, thread2 is bumped by the RPC call, thread3 then starts up, locks row, deadlock | 19:49 |
| boris-42 | or not | 19:49 |
| zzzeek | and i think the reason is, thread2 would never start before thread1 is finished because thread1 does not block on IO at that point | 19:49 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: or, RPC only interrupts the thread that it is actually called from | 19:50 |
| ihrachyshka | thread1 hasn't completed transaction, it yielded to thread2 by calling to rpc | 19:50 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: yes, but im saying, with the fix in place | 19:50 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: where RPC call is outside of transaction | 19:50 |
| ihrachyshka | if thread2 opens transaction, there is no way for it to yield to another thread, unless we call to smth that can yield. and we try to avoid that. | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: but beyond that, if you already know that’s the fix, I think the pattern should be: “with context.transaction() as session: …. do stuff … context.post_exec(fn, *args)” | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: yes that was what i was asking | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: e.g. that when we deal with eventlet, it isn’t like traditional threads that are totlaly non-deterministic | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: we know when it might be context switching | 19:52 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: which is odd! even though this is “implicit” async, it’s still more explicit than regular threads | 19:53 |
| ihrachyshka | the fix is proved to be correct in local testing. and adding that post_exec thing is my goal with the spec | 19:53 |
| ihrachyshka | yes, eventlet is explicit | 19:53 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: yes. i think code like this should have zero SQLAlcehmy-specific transaction code and context managers should handle all that. | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: the integration tests use master of oslo.messaging, but the unit tests do not | 19:53 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: “implicit” vs. “explicit” async is, gevent/eventlet vs. twisted / tornado / node.js | 19:53 |
| ihrachyshka | it's either you call eventlet.sleep() or you call a monkey patched functiom, no randomness | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: gottit | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: there’s also an after_commit() event on the Session | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: if you wanted to leverage that | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: but id make that happen behind the scenes | 19:54 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: also, this all should be an oslo.db object | 19:55 |
| ihrachyshka | + for after_commit hook, sounds like what I may need | 19:55 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: OK but dont litter all the code with @event.listen() :) do that in just one place | 19:56 |
| ihrachyshka | what should be oslo.db object? | 19:56 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: this may be longer term, but ideally id like projects to say: from oslo.db import transaction; “with tranasction() as session:” | 19:56 |
| ihrachyshka | you mean, implement it in oslo.db and then use in neutron? ok | 19:57 |
| zzzeek | any kind of database pattern that is invented by a project should be maintained in oslo.db and called from there | 19:57 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: yes | 19:57 |
| zzzeek | we need to take as much SQLAlchemy “creational” code as possible out of projects | 19:58 |
| zzzeek | ihrachyshka: projects will of coruse be using query(), and flush() if they have to, even execute(), but the scoping and framework of things should follow shared patterns | 19:58 |
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| ihrachyshka | ok, so good pointers and discussion so far :) I think I can continue from here. thanks a lot and welcome on openstack board :) we need your expertise like hell. | 19:59 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann ok, for me its important that dsvm are using master | 20:00 |
| zzzeek | glad i could help | 20:00 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann so we will be able to use osprofiler in gates even if there will be no new release of oslo.messaging for a while | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | boris-42: now that we can make alpha releases, we can do that every week or so | 20:00 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann ah ok | 20:01 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann so I added extra details in spec that you asked* | 20:01 |
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| tcammann | Hello looking for a core reviewer to +2/+A a change thats been sitting around a while with few +1s https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99695/ | 20:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/taskflow: Make the expiring cache a top level cache type https://review.openstack.org/98565 | 21:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed a change to openstack/taskflow: Add basic WBE validation sanity tests https://review.openstack.org/104016 | 23:19 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/104022 | 23:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed a change to openstack/oslo.messaging: Add a thread + futures executor based executor https://review.openstack.org/70914 | 23:42 |
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