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| dhellmann | SergeyLukjanov: nevermind, I shouldn't mix beer, meetups, and IRC all at the same time -- it leaves me more confused than usual | 02:57 |
| dims | dhellmann, good night we can talk about it tomorrow. i've opened a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1309297 | 03:01 |
| dhellmann | dims: ok, thanks | 03:01 |
| dhellmann | dims: what do you think about process changes? What broke here? | 03:03 |
| dims | dhellmann, there was a flag in nova.conf which is no longer honored | 03:04 |
| dhellmann | well, yeah, I meant what should we have done differently. I don't think we're going to get very far holding up every incubator change for all of the projects to accept merges from us. | 03:05 |
| dhellmann | ^for^waiting for | 03:05 |
| dims | dhellmann, there was a -2 and a request to re-instate from nova folks. which is easier to follow up than a languishing review | 03:06 |
| dims | rackspace specific eventlet flag is yuck. but folks should have debated that when it went in | 03:07 |
| dhellmann | true | 03:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we discussed that module at the summit and the dependency on eventlet was called out as something we wanted to remove to make the library more generally usable | 03:09 |
| dhellmann | I don't know the history of how it was added in the first place, though. | 03:09 |
| dims | dhellmann, agree that it was the right thing to do and agree that it should not be part of oslo.db. but this was still common code in oslo-incubator that is synced and a -2 from a consuming project should have been dealt with before a release happened | 03:13 |
| dims | let's talk more tomorrow. turning in now. good night | 03:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: true -- ok, ttyl | 03:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | dhellmann, ok :) | 04:19 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: around? | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | hi, viktors | 13:30 |
| viktors | dhellmann: hell | 13:30 |
| viktors | *hello | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | heh | 13:30 |
| viktors | :) | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | we should put together a plan for addressing the nova config issue | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | leaving it in nova for now seems fine, but maybe a version of that class can go into oslo.concurrency | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | thoughts? | 13:31 |
| viktors | sorry, what do you mean by oslo.concurrency ? | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | oh, the library that will hold some of the other oslo code related to running things in parallel | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/GraduationStatus#oslo.concurrency | 13:33 |
| viktors | oh, I missed this | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | well, it wasn't clear that the db option was a candidate, since I thought only nova was using it and it was experimental | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | if it's critical to one of the big deployers, though, we should probably accommodate it | 13:34 |
| viktors | yes, I agree, that something like oslo.concurrency should be more suitable place for eventlet.tpool | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | viktors: this also points out that one thing we will need to track as we move code around and make other changes is blocked patches in the other project | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 13:35 |
| viktors | dhellmann: yes, but if you mean Nova - we made a patch for it at December, but it was not merged, unfortunately. We should make a such sync from oslo-incubator 'atomic' | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | viktors: yes, that's a good idea, too | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | I saw rpodolyaka's note about that on the mailing list, and I agree | 13:38 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: ok, so we will consider this in the future. Maybe we need to note this in "hot-to-sync" document also? | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's a good idea, too | 13:41 |
| * dhellmann likes documentation | 13:41 | |
| viktors | ok, I'll edit this page - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Syncing_Code_from_Incubator | 13:43 |
| viktors | dhellmann: also I'm going to send an e-mail with review request for oslo.db repository. Should I mention something specific in this letter? | 13:46 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: if you had to make any changes in the repository to get the tests to pass, you could point out those changesets (since they won't be reviewed in gerrit) | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | viktors: other than that, maybe include a link to the blueprint so it's easy to find? | 13:52 |
| viktors | dhellmann: the main changes in the tests were: 1) add common modules; 2) add entry points 3) fix imports (openstack.common -> oslo.db.openstack.common) | 13:56 |
| viktors | So I should ask to review this commit? | 13:57 |
| viktors | dhellmann: by the way, https://github.com/malor/oslo.db/commit/276f7570d7af4a7a62d0e1ffb4edf904cfbf0600 | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Pekelny proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Opportunistic migration tests https://review.openstack.org/75107 | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Pekelny proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Opportunistic migration tests https://review.openstack.org/75107 | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: yes, including links to those commits would help with the review | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | viktors: you can also ask people to give their +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78955/ when they feel the repository is ready to be imported | 14:43 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: well.. The mail is already sent =) | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | viktors: ok, I'll follow up to your note then, no problem | 15:02 |
| viktors | dhellmann: ok, I'll go on weekend then. Thanks for your help! | 15:03 |
| dims | have a good weekend viktors | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: enjoy your weekend, and thank you! | 15:03 |
| creiht | dhellmann: howdy | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | hi, creiht | 15:04 |
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| viktors | dims, dhellmann - have a good weekend too! | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | creiht: thanks for volunteering to work with us this cycle | 15:04 |
| creiht | no problem | 15:04 |
| creiht | I'll try to be too much trouble ;) | 15:05 |
| creiht | try not to that is | 15:05 |
| creiht | heh | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | haha | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | well, we'll be relying on you to raise issues, so don't be afraid to speak up | 15:05 |
| creiht | k | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | are you going to be at the summit? | 15:06 |
| creiht | well it will be kinda interesting since swift doesn't really use anything in oslo | 15:06 |
| creiht | yes I will be there | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | creiht: well, maybe this is an opportunity to add some, then :-) | 15:07 |
| creiht | hehe | 15:08 |
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| dims | dhellmann, nice sales pitch :) | 15:08 |
| creiht | well from the swift perspective, we've always pushed for libraries | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | dims: hush, you're giving away the plan! | 15:08 |
| creiht | we aren't very fond of the code copying stuff and the problems that can cause | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | indeed, we've definitely started to see scaling issues with the incubator approach | 15:09 |
| creiht | and after that it is mostly a matter of, if we use this library what benefits does it give us | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | and we have a fair amount of code that is stable enough to graduate, so things are progressing as planned | 15:09 |
| creiht | one of the design tennants of swift has always been to minimize dependencies | 15:10 |
| * dhellmann nods | 15:10 | |
| creiht | and I think that has really helped us tremendously | 15:10 |
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| creiht | for example, we don't use any framework for the wsgi/routing/api stuff | 15:12 |
| creiht | turns out the swift api is pretty simple | 15:12 |
| dims | creiht, does swift participate in the global requirements sync-ing? (pardon my ignorance) | 15:12 |
| creiht | we played with a couple, and it really didn't make things that much better | 15:12 |
| creiht | dims: kinda | 15:12 |
| creiht | dims: Stuff isn't auto-synced | 15:13 |
| dims | ah thought so | 15:13 |
| creiht | because swift supports a broader swath of OS versions | 15:13 |
| creiht | auto syncing would break that as min versions are bumped up | 15:13 |
| creiht | for example we will support Ubuntu Lucid | 15:14 |
| creiht | the current global reqs will not work on lucid | 15:14 |
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| dims | i see | 15:14 |
| creiht | plus we only have 7 requirements, so it is easy to keep up to date | 15:14 |
| creiht | we manually update it when it makes sense | 15:15 |
| creiht | another advantage of keeping a minimal set of dependencies | 15:15 |
| creiht | :) | 15:15 |
| dims | right, so you would have to check which ones the oslo libs will drag in | 15:17 |
| creiht | right | 15:17 |
| creiht | and also another reason why we might be hesitant to bring an oslo lib in | 15:17 |
| creiht | we also aren't likely to use an oslo lib just for the sake of using an oslo lib | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the oslo libs will definitely be syncing automatically from the global requirements, but if we can update those global requirements to accommodate swift then we should keep that in mind as an option | 15:17 |
| creiht | there has to be a compelling reason to do so | 15:18 |
| dims | i hear ya | 15:18 |
| creiht | most of oslo is also written from a nova style framework perspective | 15:18 |
| creiht | so a lot of it doesn't even make since for swift | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | sure | 15:18 |
| creiht | But if there is a library that adds value, we will consider it | 15:19 |
| dims | creiht, anything on the page look interesting? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo (section #2) | 15:20 |
| creiht | well we already use hacking and pbr | 15:23 |
| creiht | when we get to the pluggable parts of the pluggable backends of swift I imagine we will explore stevedore | 15:24 |
| creiht | other than that, nothing obvious sticks out | 15:25 |
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| creiht | I know there are some that would like see us use more of the oslo libraries | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | we would rather share than re-invent, but there's no point to adding more libs just for the sake of it | 15:31 |
| dims | +1 | 15:32 |
| creiht | dhellmann: I appreciate that | 15:33 |
| creiht | I always get those questions each summit though | 15:34 |
| creiht | "Why doesn't swift use more of oslo" | 15:34 |
| creiht | there's also a couple of areas of long standing differing of opinions on how some things should be done between swift and nova | 15:34 |
| creiht | those aren't likely to change either | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | my goal with these new libs is to make them focused enough that it's relatively easy to pick some of them and leave others out | 15:35 |
| creiht | but the nova opinions made it into oslo | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | there are interdependencies, but we want to minimize those | 15:35 |
| dims | creiht, how about the opposite, what stuff would be valuable to others from swift? | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | good question, I'm sure we'll find some parts of swift that would be good candidates for reuse elsewhere | 15:35 |
| creiht | well some things that have come up before are our eventlet friendly memcache client | 15:36 |
| creiht | maybe swob | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | those both sound like they are worth looking at | 15:37 |
| creiht | other than that, we have some other eventlet helper things | 15:38 |
| creiht | if everyone else is fine with still using webob, then swob may not be that handy | 15:40 |
| creiht | we just had so many bad experiences, we decided to write it | 15:40 |
| creiht | and it really isn't that much code | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think it's worth evaluating -- just going through the exercise can help us come up with guidelines for the sorts of things we would want to look at in other projects | 15:41 |
| creiht | cool | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | even if we eventually say it should stay in swift, we'll have reasons for the decision | 15:41 |
| creiht | dhellmann: do the other projects still use paste.deploy to setup the wsgi pipelines? or is all of that in oslo.config? | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | I think they're still using paste, although more of that will go away as projects move to pecan | 15:42 |
| creiht | how does pecan setup the pipeline? | 15:42 |
| creiht | That is one area of pain for us, and we want to look at other ways to handle it | 15:42 |
| creiht | mostly because swift is comprised of so much middleware now, that the pipeline gets a little crazy | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | it exposes a wsgi app, and the routing is done with the pecan controllers -- probably not a great solution for swift | 15:43 |
| creiht | yeah | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the idea with the other projects is to just cut as much of the pipeline out as possible | 15:43 |
| creiht | we just need something that creates the app from all of the components | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | ceilometer uses a config option to disable the keystone middleware, for example | 15:43 |
| creiht | ahh | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | and leaves the decision about whether to apply anything outside of the keystone middleware up to the deployer | 15:44 |
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| dhellmann | so you *can* use paste, if you need to, but it's not required | 15:44 |
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| creiht | ahh | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | you can also deploy the ceilometer wsgi app directly | 15:44 |
| creiht | we could use something a little smarter | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | yeah, there's probably a middle ground there | 15:45 |
| creiht | as a typical swift pipeline can have 20 items in it | 15:45 |
| creiht | and it starts getting confusing for users which ones have to go in front of others | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | is there any reason for the deployer to worry about that at all? why make it configurable? | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | honest question, I'm not that familiar with swift internals | 15:46 |
| creiht | yeah valid question | 15:46 |
| creiht | partly because some middleware is optional | 15:46 |
| creiht | some middleware may be homegrown and they don't know where to put it | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I think that was feedback from the folsom or grizzly summit, when we first started talking about dropping paste | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | ah, home-grown stuff can be a challenge, yeah | 15:46 |
| creiht | dhellmann: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/etc/proxy-server.conf-sample#L73 | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | github is slow today | 15:48 |
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| dhellmann | that's quite a list | 15:50 |
| creiht | that's what a standard pipeline looks like currrently | 15:50 |
| creiht | and my connection at this coffee shop is very laggy this morning | 15:50 |
| creiht | I imagine that we will move to something that is basically a helper that creates the pipeline, with some hooks to add your own pre and post | 15:51 |
| creiht | but just wanted to bring it up in case anyone was working on something similar or new of something similar | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | I'm not aware of anything, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that something like that already exists on pypi somewhere | 15:52 |
| creiht | yeah I haven't had a chance to poke yet | 15:53 |
| creiht | but it is on my list | 15:53 |
| creiht | dhellmann: some of our middleware might be interesting | 15:53 |
| creiht | for example rate limiting | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | yeah, definitely | 15:54 |
| creiht | right now it is a bit swift specific | 15:54 |
| creiht | but works *amazingly* well | 15:54 |
| creiht | if others need that style of rate limiting, it could probably be more generalized | 15:54 |
| creiht | the recon stuff is pretty cool, again swift specific, but general idea could be useful with other projects | 15:56 |
| creiht | if the profiling middleware gets in, that could be handy as an oslo project | 15:57 |
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| dhellmann | is that related to the rally stuff? | 15:58 |
| dims | dhellmann, meeting now? | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | dims: we moved it to next week because today is a holiday for some folks | 16:01 |
| * dhellmann checks that he sent that email | 16:02 | |
| creiht | oh hehe... I was just wondering about the meeting :) | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | dims: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032951.html | 16:02 |
| creiht | dhellmann: rally? | 16:02 |
| dims | ah thanks | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | creiht: rally is a profiling tool boris-42 and some other folks at mirantis have been working on | 16:03 |
| jd__ | ah I missed that too | 16:03 |
| creiht | ahh don't think so | 16:03 |
| jd__ | I was ready and hot for dat meeting | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | jd__: you could hang out and talk to us here, we miss you | 16:03 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann actually not rally | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | note that the time for the meeting next week is different, too | 16:04 |
| creiht | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53270/ | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: am I mixing up projects again? | 16:04 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann https://github.com/pboris/osprofiler | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | aha | 16:04 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann btw seems like we have our devstack and 1 click demo | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: excellent! | 16:05 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann I would like to just finish work inside Rally | 16:05 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann so we will be able to combine everything together | 16:05 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann and show benchmarking + profiling togther | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense | 16:05 |
| creiht | dhellmann: I have a suggestion for: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Libraries | 16:08 |
| creiht | for each library, it would be nice to have a link to the docs | 16:08 |
| creiht | for example I've been clicking on all fo the links for oslo.config, and can't find any docs for it | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | we do have some of them on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html, but adding them to the wiki makes sense, too | 16:09 |
| creiht | pypi page doesn't link to docs | 16:09 |
| creiht | the launchpad page doesn't link to docs | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we should add a link to the readme, too | 16:09 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann btw are you going to approve design session about profiling stuff? | 16:10 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann there is a lot of stuff to discuss=) | 16:12 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann cause I think it's possible to make profiler in a such a way to be able to run it even on production clouds | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | boris-42: I need to review our available slots, but I do expect to include that one -- I know there's a lot of interest | 16:14 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann yep cause without profiler you are not able to find the reason why we are getting so bad results.. | 16:14 |
| boris-42 | dhellmann sometimes it is clear by code, and sometimes not | 16:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-dev/pbr: Revert "Let git do mailmap mapping for us" https://review.openstack.org/88627 | 16:40 |
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