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| vsham20 | vkmc:hello | 13:49 |
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| vkmc | vsham20, hi | 13:49 |
| vsham20 | vkmc: i am almost done with my proposal but i am stuck at one point | 13:50 |
| vsham20 | vkmc:i discussed it with my mentor and he suggested me to take some help from u..:) | 13:51 |
| vkmc | vsham20, sure, tell me what are your concerns | 13:51 |
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| vsham20 | vkmc: so about the changes tht i will me making for the project..do i need to give a brief info about the changes to be implemented..like in detail...or i just have to write about the basic idea about it | 13:53 |
| vsham20 | vkmc: it would be great if u could have a look at it...i can share it with u...just to be more clear about my problem.. :) | 13:54 |
| vkmc | vsham20, a brief timeline works | 13:57 |
| vkmc | let me paste an example | 13:57 |
| vsham20 | vkmc: okay | 13:59 |
| vkmc | vsham20, http://paste.openstack.org/show/476267/ | 13:59 |
| vsham20 | vkmc: cool..thnks :) | 13:59 |
| vkmc | that is what I said to another applicant, working on the timeline associated to Zaqar project | 14:00 |
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| vsham20 | vkmc: great...thnks for the help...:-D | 14:01 |
| vkmc | np | 14:04 |
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| njirap | hi vkmc..are there any mentors for nova..? | 14:07 |
| vkmc | njirap, hey there! | 14:07 |
| vkmc | I think there is | 14:07 |
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| vkmc | let me ask, I'll get back to you | 14:08 |
| njirap | ok thanks vkmc | 14:08 |
| newbiee | hi neiljerram | 14:08 |
| neiljerram | hi there | 14:09 |
| newbiee | glad to see you here :) | 14:09 |
| neiljerram | me too! | 14:09 |
| neiljerram | I unfortunately don't have working sound notifications from this IRC client, so it's easy for me to forget about the channel, if I get too deeply into some other work. | 14:10 |
| newbiee | ah I see. I will keep an eye for any response you give :) | 14:10 |
| neiljerram | In case I do that, at a time when you're expecting me here, please do feel free to send another email! | 14:10 |
| newbiee | sure thing | 14:10 |
| neiljerram | But anyway, hello! | 14:10 |
| newbiee | hi! | 14:11 |
| vkmc | njirap, doesn't seem to be one | 14:11 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Are you already quite familiar with IRC? | 14:11 |
| newbiee | I have so far setup devstack and neutron in Openstack | 14:11 |
| vkmc | njirap, we can try to find one... in the meantime you can try to start working on your application | 14:11 |
| njirap | hmmm.. vkmc..how do i proceed then.. | 14:11 |
| njirap | ok..thanks vkmc | 14:11 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: yes, I have gotten quite used to IRC. I must say it was challenging in the beginning | 14:12 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Great! (for all of IRC and Neutron and DevStack) | 14:12 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Is your DevStack setup with a single node, or multiple? | 14:12 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: it is single node | 14:13 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: OK, cool. | 14:13 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: So, do you already have some ideas for what you would like to work with, in Neutron? | 14:13 |
| newbiee | rossella_s was kind enough to send me a link of bugs, but I have not been able to look at it yet | 14:14 |
| neiljerram | That's cool. | 14:14 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, I hope you can find some interesting bug there | 14:15 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I do not fully understand what I need to do yet. But after reading up on the various components, I will like to participate in the cloud deployment | 14:15 |
| neiljerram | Actually getting a link for a sensible list of bugs is something where I need mentoring too. | 14:15 |
| rossella_s | neiljerram :D | 14:15 |
| newbiee | ah, learning never ends :) | 14:15 |
| neiljerram | rossella_s: may I ask how you did it? | 14:15 |
| rossella_s | neiljerram, no magic, I just linked the low hanging fruit bugs | 14:16 |
| rossella_s | neiljerram, the list works if people tag bugs frequently and correctly | 14:16 |
| rossella_s | neiljerram so what I do usually is that from time to time I go through the bugs and tag them with low hanging fruit when appropriate | 14:18 |
| neiljerram | rossella_s: Oh I see now, thanks. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit) | 14:18 |
| rossella_s | neiljerram yes | 14:18 |
| newbiee | I see you rossella_s in the video! | 14:18 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, was it useful? hope so | 14:18 |
| newbiee | rossella_s: still going through the video | 14:19 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, take your itme | 14:19 |
| rossella_s | time :) | 14:19 |
| newbiee | neiljerram, rossella_s: how long does it take a novice like me to contribute? | 14:19 |
| rossella_s | newbiee good question | 14:20 |
| newbiee | I mean contribution towards Outreachy application | 14:20 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: There are lots of ways to contribute, and some of them can be very quick - by which I mean just a day or two. | 14:21 |
| newbiee | oh I see | 14:21 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, depends on a lot of factors...how familiar you are with openstack and python, how many hours you can spend daily, what kind of contribution you want to make... | 14:21 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I am really interested in the neutron project because of my background in networking | 14:21 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, great! go for it! | 14:22 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Well, what I have in mind is documentation work. That can be relatively quick. But I don't mean to steer you towards doc work, unless that is a particular interest for you. | 14:22 |
| newbiee | rossella_s: I can say I know almost nothing in python. It is only in this OUtreachy that I heard of OpenStack. But I am determined to face my fears of code. | 14:23 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: But for example, suppose you worked on a bug, and found a relatively simple fix, I imagine that might go through the processes within a week or two. | 14:23 |
| rossella_s | nnewbiee, neiljerram I have to leave now, will be back later if you need me... | 14:23 |
| neiljerram | rossella_s: See you later! | 14:23 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, I am sure you are in good hands with neiljerram ;) | 14:23 |
| newbiee | neiljerram>how many hours can you spend daily?: I can spend 4 hours daily for now | 14:24 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Do you mean for mentoring, or for Neutron work in general? | 14:24 |
| newbiee | thanks rossella_s :-) | 14:24 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Can you say a little about your networking background? | 14:25 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: for neutron work in general (for the application process). If I am selected, then I will be able to put in the full time | 14:25 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I started off working as a tech support rep, and later worked as sys. admin (windows platform) for about 9months | 14:27 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: I must admit I'm not yet familiar at all with the Outreachy process. | 14:27 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I understand router setup, protocols, server concepts, switching at Layers 2 and 3, etc | 14:27 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: using Vsphere to create servers and carry out tests | 14:28 |
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| neiljerram | OK, cool. | 14:28 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I however think I am in budding stage when it comes to networking | 14:29 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: budding? | 14:29 |
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| newbiee | neiljerram: I also used to support cloud technologies at the user's end (e.g OwnCloud). It will be great to go into the "brain" of cloud networking | 14:30 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: yes, "budding" because I don't think I am good enough yet | 14:31 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: OK, I see :-) | 14:31 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I am just going through rossella_s' video and the bugs link and will come back with my questions! | 14:33 |
| newbiee | :) | 14:33 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: So, I'm not sure how things are supposed in work, in Outreachy, as regards whether an application needs to have a quite specific idea or objective, or whether it's OK to aim just to generally immerse oneself in the Neutron world and aim for understanding and contributions as needed, across the board... | 14:33 |
| neiljerram | annegentle: As I think you just joined, would you like to comment on that? ^^ | 14:34 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: hmmm, I am not sure either. vkmc has been very helpful in getting me to this stage as well. | 14:35 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: What would you prefer yourself, if there were no other constraints? Do you already have any particular objectives or ideas? | 14:36 |
| vkmc | neiljerram, newbiee, its expected that there is a defined project (blueprint) for the applicant to work on during the internship process | 14:36 |
| neiljerram | vkmc, thanks | 14:37 |
| vkmc | but we also expect that the intern get familiar with every task | 14:37 |
| neiljerram | vkmc, newbiee Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the timing of the internship process? | 14:38 |
| vkmc | that is... help with reviews, help testing things and reporting bugs, help with bug fixing not related to the implementation they have assigned, etc | 14:38 |
| vkmc | neiljerram, the deadline for the application is November 2nd | 14:38 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I don't have any specific ideas but I will like something that allows me contribute maybe a small enhancement feature to a functionality in neutron | 14:38 |
| vkmc | neiljerram, here are some internship ideas proposed by other projects https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas | 14:38 |
| vkmc | neiljerram, and some information for mentors https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors | 14:39 |
| neiljerram | vkmc: thanks :-) | 14:39 |
| vkmc | neiljerram, thanks you for volunteering to mentor :D | 14:40 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: OK. So I think what we've learnt, in this session, is that I needed to ramp up on the process for being a mentor! | 14:41 |
| njirap | vkmc.. can we get a nova internship idea..? | 14:41 |
| vkmc | njirap, that will require for someone in nova to volunteer to mentor | 14:41 |
| vkmc | njirap, and we haven't to found a volunteer yet | 14:42 |
| njirap | so vkmc..it wouldnt be appropriate for me to start contributing to nova.. | 14:42 |
| vkmc | we can do another call for mentors but I cannot guarantee anything | 14:42 |
| newbiee | neijerram, vkmc: will the blueprint requirement be also mandatory for the contribution (in the application process)? | 14:42 |
| vkmc | njirap, you can contribute to nova anyways, its an open-source project so you are ok | 14:42 |
| vkmc | newbiee, it is yes | 14:42 |
| njirap | vkmc..but i cant apply for it..? | 14:43 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: I think the next step then is for me to think of an idea or two. rossella_s has an example at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas, and I will try to think of something like that in the areas of Neutron that I'm familiar with or working on. | 14:45 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: I agree :) thanks for offering your time. | 14:46 |
| vkmc | njirap, well no, if there is no mentor assigned we cannot guarantee you can do your internship in nova | 14:46 |
| vkmc | njirap, if you have an internship idea feel free to share it | 14:46 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: I'd like to talk today to think about that, and maybe we can chat again tomorrow? | 14:46 |
| vkmc | and probably someone in nova will jump in | 14:46 |
| neiljerram | s/talk/take | 14:46 |
| njirap | ahh ok..thanks vkmc | 14:46 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: sounds like a plan! I will also go over those links so I can actively participate when we next get together | 14:47 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: In the meantime there are many things you can do to being becoming more generally acquainted with Neutron. | 14:47 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: can you please give me some links? | 14:48 |
| neiljerram | You already know the ML. You could try reading some of the sections in the Neutron developer reference at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/ | 14:48 |
| neiljerram | Also there are the bugs that rossella_s pointed to. | 14:49 |
| neiljerram | And you have the actual Neutron code, because your DevStack system will have checked it out at /opt/stack/neutron. | 14:49 |
| newbiee | ah I see. what is "ML"? | 14:50 |
| vkmc | mailing list | 14:50 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Also you could follow the #openstack-neutron channel in IRC a little. | 14:50 |
| newbiee | ah I see :D | 14:50 |
| vkmc | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo | 14:50 |
| vkmc | we usually use openstack-dev | 14:51 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: The thing is, though, that you will probably find at first that you don't understand 95% of what anyone is saying... That's how it was for me, anyway. | 14:51 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: yes I peak in there sometimes- it seems intimidating though. I will hang in there some more to get more familiar with neutron | 14:51 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: But one has to start somewhere, and very gradually one can start picking up some of the jargon and terminology. | 14:52 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: agree | 14:52 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Ah, yes, one more thing, that should actually be properly accessible :-) | 14:52 |
| neiljerram | That's the networking guide at http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/ | 14:53 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: got ya | 14:53 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: thanks | 14:53 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, yes it can be intimidating but I promise that people are actually very nice | 14:55 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, where are you based? are you coming to the tokyo summit? | 14:55 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Shall we leave things there for now, then? I'm sorry that I didn't already have some specific ideas ready, but I will try to have that for tomorrow. | 14:55 |
| neiljerram | rossella_s: newbiee I was thinking of asking that too | 14:55 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: The summit is a wonderful experience, if you could get there. | 14:56 |
| newbiee | rossella_s: unfortunately, no for th Tokyo summit. I am in Toronto, Canada | 14:56 |
| rossella_s | newbiee, well next time then :) must be freezing over there | 14:57 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: sure thing | 14:57 |
| newbiee | rossella_s: maybe for others- I actually find it very nice, given that I just moved from Calgary Canada (colder area) | 14:58 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Yes, I think the next one is in Texas. And you will have made contributions by then, so will get a free registration. | 14:58 |
| annegentle | what vkmc said, right | 14:58 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: ah Texas, that will be nice | 14:58 |
| neiljerram | annegentle: thanks | 14:58 |
| newbiee | annegentle: thanks :) | 14:59 |
| annegentle | neiljerram: I also like the Google Summer of Code Mentor Guide http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/what-makes-a-good-mentor/ | 14:59 |
| vkmc | annegentle++ | 14:59 |
| vkmc | yeah that guide is pretty useful as well | 14:59 |
| annegentle | And there are more links here https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreach/InfoForMentors | 15:00 |
| neiljerram | annegentle: Thanks for those, they do indeed look very useful. | 15:01 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Are you OK to chat again at about the same time tomorrow? | 15:02 |
| newbiee | neiljerram: yes, I can be here again tomorrow, same time | 15:03 |
| neiljerram | newbiee: Cool, see you then! | 15:03 |
| newbiee | sure! have a great rest of day | 15:03 |
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