| * puck pours himself a glass of wine while waiting to see who else shows up | 06:57 | |
| tobberydberg | Morning! Good choice :-) | 07:00 |
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| * fkr sips on a coffee still being on vacation :) | 07:00 | |
| fkr | sips a coffee? | 07:00 |
| puck | "sips a coffee" | 07:00 |
| puck | "sucks on an iceblock" | 07:00 |
| tobberydberg | That also sound nice :-) | 07:01 |
| fkr | good morning / good evening nevertheless! | 07:01 |
| tobberydberg | Back from vacation monday and trying to get up to speed again :-) | 07:01 |
| fkr | wohoo | 07:01 |
| fkr | we had to come home 10 days early from vacation (camping) because our son got really sick (again) | 07:02 |
| fkr | third ear-infection in three months. now removal of the polyps is scheduled. | 07:02 |
| puck | Oh no! | 07:02 |
| puck | My now 13yo had them removed when he was much younger. | 07:02 |
| tobberydberg | Sorry to hear that. Hope he gets ok soon | 07:03 |
| fkr | thanks. I also had them removed at his age, seems fairly common source of these problems. | 07:03 |
| fkr | slowly switching towards IT subjects, the hashicorp BSL thingy seems to go through the roof | 07:04 |
| tobberydberg | Yea, one of my daughters did that at early age as well | 07:05 |
| tobberydberg | Not up to speed regading that BSL thing to be honest... | 07:05 |
| puck | Oh, yeah, HashiCorp is ... wow. | 07:05 |
| fkr | and once again shows how important projects such as OpenStack and alike are (that are not single-vendor governed by a VC-funded company) | 07:05 |
| puck | Which reminds, I need to see what if anything is happening with Barbican using Vault as a storage backend. | 07:05 |
| puck | Totally agreed. | 07:05 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: Hashicorp relicenses their projects from MPL to Business Source Licsense (BSL) | 07:06 |
| fkr | https://opentf.org/ being one of the results | 07:06 |
| tobberydberg | terrific... | 07:07 |
| fkr | they should've just switched to AGPLv3 with the option of dual-licensing, that would've had a similar effect for them without the side-effects for the rest of the community | 07:07 |
| puck | Oh, I think VC funding is what caused this switch. | 07:08 |
| puck | "How we do increase our value? Make almost all businesses using our software need to pay us" | 07:08 |
| tobberydberg | I guess SCS have started to evaluate what effect that will have for them | 07:11 |
| fkr | indeed | 07:11 |
| puck | I really don't want to have to deal with HSM hardware again. | 07:12 |
| fkr | being on vacation I did not participate in any thoughts there yet, but I did read our matrix-rooms and also BSL is not acceptable, since it is not OSI-approved license AND it clearly shows how dependent one is from HCP regarding their mood ;) | 07:12 |
| fkr | puck: --verbose | 07:12 |
| fkr | hey joek-office! o/ | 07:13 |
| joek-office | hey fkr | 07:13 |
| puck | I've used PCI based HSMs before, a colleague accidentally bricked one - an expensive mistake. :) The IBM (yes a while go) firmware update software thought it was an IBM device and shoved a firmware on it. | 07:14 |
| tobberydberg | We have plenty of customers that does not accept BSL as well ... will probably be a lot of discussions here moving forward... | 07:14 |
| tobberydberg | welcome joek-office :-) | 07:15 |
| puck | I had a look just before, we have no agenda. Do we want to quickly hash one together, or just have a general chit-chat? I suspect y'all are still in vacation mode (especially fkr) | 07:17 |
| joek-office | hello together | 07:17 |
| fkr | puck: I do have one item that came up shortly before my vacation | 07:18 |
| tobberydberg | The latter works for me.... Not fully back on track here :-) | 07:19 |
| tobberydberg | Shoot fkr :-) | 07:19 |
| fkr | OVS vs. OVN. I do presume you all are on OVS? | 07:19 |
| puck | We're on OVS | 07:19 |
| joek-office | we plan direct to deploy ovn | 07:19 |
| puck | Planning to transition from VLAN to VXLAN. | 07:20 |
| joek-office | @puck with ovs? | 07:20 |
| fkr | a few weeks ago there was a call for help for VPNaaS and OVN (which I think, is an interesting piece of functionality for CSPs) | 07:20 |
| puck | With OVS, yeah. | 07:20 |
| tobberydberg | OVS here as well | 07:21 |
| puck | Wasn't there a bit of chatter about VPNaaS+OVN on openstack-discuss recently? Or was that the call for help? | 07:21 |
| fkr | puck: exactly | 07:21 |
| tobberydberg | yes, that is one of the features that are missing to perform a transformation | 07:21 |
| fkr | "Subject: [neutron][vpnaas][ovn] Pushing VPNaaS support through OVN" | 07:21 |
| puck | Yup, found it | 07:22 |
| fkr | and even though OVN is the default for SCS environments, there are quite a few earlier OSISM based deployments running with OVS so that migration from OVS to OVN is a subject in our community | 07:22 |
| puck | Only been being worked on since late 2020. :) | 07:22 |
| fkr | and I assume quite a few of the "old school" OpenStack CSPs have OVS -> OVN on their road still ahead of them | 07:23 |
| tobberydberg | Regarding features .... what does SCS sees as missing pieces in OVN except the VPN part? | 07:23 |
| puck | Yup. We'll consider it eventually, but not ready to think about the transition yet. | 07:23 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: not really much, I think there are a few pieces in regard to OVN and octavia | 07:24 |
| puck | It looks like this patchset has been getting some decent recent action. | 07:24 |
| tobberydberg | Yea, remember that was a topic during the PTG earlier this year | 07:25 |
| joek-office | @tobbberydberg: is there a board with such open items | 07:28 |
| tobberydberg | I'm trying to find that, because I believe I've seen that before.... | 07:29 |
| joek-office | :-D | 07:29 |
| fkr | i'll be joining the family downstairs for breakfast. enjoy the wednesday, puck: enjoy the wine ;) | 07:30 |
| tobberydberg | https://docs.openstack.org/neutron/latest/ovn/gaps.html | 07:31 |
| tobberydberg | Not sure how up to date this one is though...I've seen some other mapping thing earlier I know that I can't find now | 07:31 |
| tobberydberg | Enjoy the rest of the vacation :-) | 07:31 |
| fkr | thanks! | 07:31 |
| puck | fkr, hope you have have a great day and rest of your vacation | 07:32 |
| puck | Hmmm, although VPNaaS is missing from that page. | 07:34 |
| joek-office | bye fkr, have a nice breakfast. | 07:35 |
| joek-office | the page is last updated 2020. seems outdated. | 07:35 |
| puck | Heh, so it is | 07:36 |
| joek-office | the guys from the discuss list have done the proposed work. the patches was reviewed. | 07:36 |
| tobberydberg | Yea... Can't find the page I'm looking for... | 07:37 |
| tobberydberg | Missing reviewers approval what I can see, but active discussions and patches during summer | 07:40 |
| joek-office | was to fast. only on patch 847007 there is review. on 765353 there was a bit of work done. Looks like bugfixing. | 07:42 |
| puck | Also, you folks might be interested that media in NZ is starting to question the use of the big US clouds for our govt's workloads: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/495883/growing-government-reliance-on-offshore-cloud-services-has-security-experts-worried | 07:43 |
| joek-office | is the old question self or outsourcing. problem in my mind that i see: everyone see the money savings. no one sees the costs that are upscaling because you need knowledge inhouse about what your provider does. | 07:49 |
| puck | Ah, but consultants. Then the consultants leave, and you need new consultants if you change anything. :) | 07:49 |
| joek-office | yes, this is also a problem in the momentary big discussion in germany with digitalisation. | 07:50 |
| puck | Heh | 07:50 |
| puck | I can believe that. | 07:50 |
| joek-office | any one is saying an excel sheet is not good digitalisation (this is right). but a excel is easy to use for everyone. and changes in processes can be ultra fast achieved with excel sheet without specialists | 07:51 |
| puck | Heh, yes indeed. And then they start to use it as a database (or possibly worse, Access). :) | 07:52 |
| joek-office | and the processes that are designed from consultants and implemented with specialized software are normaly work in progress. but the guys that can change them are only for a small time range (project) in the company | 07:53 |
| puck | yup | 07:53 |
| joek-office | think this problem also present on most company that use openstack. is this so. is there any data there? In the next time is the openstack survey and there can be inserted questions. | 07:56 |
| joek-office | ;-) | 07:56 |
| puck | Hmmm... Yes and no. :) | 07:58 |
| tobberydberg | Sorry ... got pulled away here... :-) | 07:59 |
| joek-office | What does this mean? | 08:03 |
| joek-office | @puck | 08:03 |
| puck | Well, I guess do you mean use openstack or deploy it? We deploy openstack, haven't used consultants much at all (only for our ISO 27001 certification really). | 08:04 |
| puck | The stuff we've developed we open sourced and have made events to include in OpenStack - Adjutant and Distil mainly. | 08:04 |
| puck | s/events/efforts/ # I blame the wine | 08:05 |
| tobberydberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Distil | 08:06 |
| tobberydberg | :-) | 08:07 |
| tobberydberg | I haven't heard of that one earlier | 08:07 |
| puck | hahahaha | 08:07 |
| joek-office | I mean deploy and mainly operate it inhouse. think many company only use openstack. deployed from a third party | 08:07 |
| puck | Oh, and right, and a bunch of them will have used the "turn key" deployment and then have no idea how to manage it. | 08:07 |
| puck | https://opendev.org/x/distil <- although there should be more recent updates than 3 years ago. I shall poke peopole. | 08:08 |
| tobberydberg | Vendor installed private clouds are probably the most common | 08:08 |
| tobberydberg | Hehehe | 08:09 |
| joek-office | is distill still in use there? | 08:10 |
| puck | Catalyst Cloud is still using distil | 08:10 |
| joek-office | but no further development or is this usable with currently openstack as well? | 08:10 |
| puck | It should be useable with OpenStack as it stands. We certainly still have internal development, and I'm a little upset that it isn't published. | 08:11 |
| puck | I'm fairly sure there have been other clouds using it. | 08:12 |
| tobberydberg | Interesting. We currently not use ceilometer though... | 08:13 |
| puck | Although it looks like we've only made a few minor changes since. | 08:13 |
| puck | Kinda an alternative to CloudKitty, but from memory Distil is a bit more complete. | 08:13 |
| puck | We have a CSV reference driver (billing data in CSV, we've used for private clouds) and Odoo integration (which we use for production use) | 08:14 |
| joek-office | i think this is a fairly interesting part for many csp's. earlier this year i have tested cloudkitty with ceilometer or prometheus and in this complex i think about a tool like distill | 08:14 |
| puck | It provides a billing dashboard in Horizon, and an API to query billing data and retrieve invoices. | 08:14 |
| joek-office | i think i will talk with my colleague about this tool is we should evaluate it. | 08:16 |
| puck | I can see about having current internal changes pushed upstream. There aren't that many commits. | 08:17 |
| joek-office | have to go for breakfast. my wife is calling. thanks for the discussion. | 08:17 |
| puck | np, I should have some dinner. | 08:17 |
| puck | Catch you all in a fortnight. | 08:17 |
| tobberydberg | Talk you soon! | 08:18 |
| puck | joek-office, if you have questions about distil feel free to ping me - but I might be a bit slow responding. | 08:18 |
| joek-office | but not to forget. are there any questions interesting for the openstack survey | 08:18 |
| puck | For the current one? | 08:19 |
| puck | I'd better make sure we've submitted to the current one. | 08:20 |
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