| tobberydberg | o/ | 08:00 |
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| FelixKronlage-Dammers[m] | hey ho. i’m traveling and will not be able to attend in any practical way. | 08:00 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for the information and safe travels to you :-) | 08:01 |
| FelixKronlage-Dammers[m] | tobberydberg: i took the contents of the pad to discuss with the scs people, and will have results next week. | 08:01 |
| tobberydberg | I didn't send out a reminder yesterday, so lets see if people turn up | 08:01 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks FelixKronlage-Dammers[m] ... will be interesting to see the result of that | 08:02 |
| FelixKronlage-Dammers[m] | one item i quickly wanted to bring up: once per month we have an interactive jitsi call at SCS called “Lean SCS Operator coffee” and i wanted to reach out to invite ops from this round. where best to post infos on that? | 08:03 |
| FelixKronlage-Dammers[m] | it is an hour of exchange regarding operational issues, experiences etc in a lean coffee format | 08:03 |
| tobberydberg | I would say that this meeting is a good start, but even better would be to shoot an email to the mailing list I would say | 08:05 |
| gtema | missing reminder email is really causing me to forget | 08:14 |
| gtema | also winter time slot is not so great | 08:15 |
| tobberydberg | Reminder is on me, but a recommendation is to put it in the calendar ;-) | 08:17 |
| tobberydberg | For me personally winter time or summer time doesn't matter, not really sure how it would affect others though | 08:17 |
| gtema | I placed it into calendar and it is now an entry for 10:00 - that's my issue | 08:19 |
| tobberydberg | aha, not time zone aware... | 08:19 |
| gtema | I needed to place it into my outlook (work email/calendar) and it is just not having anything for that | 08:23 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. Well, maybe wait for next meeting and I'll make sure to send a reminder since its just us here... | 08:29 |
| frickler | I've also been wondering whether a change of topic might help. at least for me this standardization isn't too interesting, I think originally there was also some talk about refstack, maybe that would attract more participation? | 08:30 |
| tobberydberg | One thought I want to leave here is to start thinking about Forum sessions for Vancouver. I know it is early CFP deadline, January 10 | 08:33 |
| tobberydberg | In my world frickler the current topic was a little bit of a pre-req to get in place to then start the refstack parts. But I'm happy to have more topics on the agenda as well and the refstack bit interests me as well | 08:35 |
| gtema | so what about starting discussing of replacing refstack with SDK based functional tests being executed from the foundation side and not uploaded by clouds themselves? | 08:38 |
| tobberydberg | Totally agree with that approach, would make a lot more sense | 08:39 |
| gtema | I think I am a bit closer to having things done in SDK for that, but not finished | 08:40 |
| gtema | frickler - do you have any change to ask/push on the change to introduce post-review pipeline? | 08:41 |
| gtema | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/859977 and https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/859976/6 | 08:41 |
| frickler | gtema: I must admin I didn't look at those yet, I can do it now | 08:42 |
| gtema | would appreciate, thanks | 08:42 |
| gtema | that would be a prerequisite to having tests running on real clouds | 08:42 |
| gtema | so far this only happens manually | 08:42 |
| tobberydberg | Clouds to hand out credentials for an account/tenant to "foundation" or what runs the tests | 08:44 |
| gtema | yupp | 08:44 |
| tobberydberg | Non-admin API calls only | 08:45 |
| tobberydberg | Which isn't really a pre-req, but a limitation of what is tested | 08:45 |
| gtema | how many clouds have a concept of domain admin? | 08:45 |
| gtema | I mean having possibility inside customer domain to manage users is so much sensible, but I see it is not implemented in OS as default | 08:46 |
| tobberydberg | Would assume not two many, but I might be wrong. We don't at this point | 08:46 |
| gtema | I know | 08:46 |
| tobberydberg | Not sure when that will be in place either in our end... I'm trying to push for it to happen | 08:47 |
| gtema | this fact on it's own is having impact on SDK/CLI (since in most cases it tries to list projects/users to find a match). Having tests running on real clouds is beneficial to everybody | 08:47 |
| tobberydberg | indeed | 08:49 |
| tobberydberg | One start could be to limit to functional testing "inside a project" | 08:49 |
| tobberydberg | Leaves out quite a bit of useful tests, but is better than nothing | 08:50 |
| gtema | sure, exactly therefore I started restructuring func tests in sdk to "regular-user" and "admin-user" | 08:51 |
| gtema | so that we will have 2 (or more) suits expecting different credentials/privileges | 08:52 |
| frickler | gtema: commented on both patches, if you want to amend, I can carry over clark's +2 and approve. I can also approve as-is if you prefer | 08:52 |
| gtema | hmm, don't know what's better. I remember clark and fungi were already involved in the discussion about naming, so maybe it is better now to reopen it again ;-) what do you think | 08:54 |
| gtema | I already wait for that quite long | 08:54 |
| frickler | o.k., let's proceed with the current state, should still be possible to change later if needed. I'm not sure how this will work at all, so let's look and see | 08:56 |
| gtema | cool, thanks. | 08:57 |
| gtema | afterwards I will start adding creds as zuul secrets in sdk project and create dedicated "real-cloud" jobs | 08:57 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds great! You did get creds from me, right? | 08:58 |
| gtema | yes, thanks a lot | 08:58 |
| gtema | those work and as I wrote you they already helped me to find few bugs in SDK | 08:58 |
| tobberydberg | Cool! Yea, remember, I'm just so old now days so need to be reminded ;-) | 09:01 |
| gtema | yeah, seems a common problem to lot here (pointing to myself) | 09:01 |
| tobberydberg | :-) | 09:02 |
| tobberydberg | On that topic, realised that I forgot to start the meeting here... | 09:02 |
| gtema | lol | 09:03 |
| gtema | we can start again (on the summer time) | 09:04 |
| tobberydberg | Haha | 09:04 |
| tobberydberg | I'm happy to, but I have conflicting meeting so can't be really available... | 09:05 |
| gtema | :) | 09:06 |
| gtema | I need to work also | 09:06 |
| tobberydberg | So lets continue in two weeks ... will set a reminder to send out a reminder ;-) | 09:06 |
| NilsMagnus[m] | This is the real work | 09:06 |
| NilsMagnus[m] | Okay :) | 09:07 |
| gtema | sounds great. Have a nice day | 09:07 |
| tobberydberg | You got a point there.... I LOVE it! ;-) | 09:07 |
| tobberydberg | Have a great day you too! | 09:08 |
| NilsMagnus[m] | :) | 09:09 |
| ttx | #startmeeting large_scale_sig | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 15:00:01 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' | 15:00 |
| ttx | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| ttx | Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting? | 15:00 |
| kbarrientos[m] | o/ | 15:00 |
| amorin | hello | 15:00 |
| ttx | Hi Kristin and Arnaud! | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| felixhuettner[m] | o/ | 15:00 |
| ramona-beermann[m] | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | full crew today! | 15:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 15:01 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting | 15:01 |
| ttx | #topic Ops Deep Dive Episode on Dec 8 | 15:01 |
| ttx | Alright... so on the guest front I invited Florian Leduc from Societe Generale but despite my attempts they haven't confirmed yet | 15:02 |
| ttx | So yesterday I also reached out to Benjamin Fuhrmann at Ubisoft as a backup plan. | 15:02 |
| ttx | I hope to get the confirmation this week... because time is running out | 15:02 |
| ttx | On the host side, we have amorin and mnaser confirmed... | 15:02 |
| ttx | belmoreira: can you join us? | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | yes, I can join | 15:03 |
| ttx | \o/ | 15:03 |
| ttx | they did not strap you onto a rocket yet | 15:03 |
| amorin | :) | 15:03 |
| ttx | We'll start a thread around content as soon as I get the guests lined up. | 15:03 |
| ttx | #action ttx to confirm guest and start thread on content | 15:04 |
| ttx | not much we can do until then | 15:04 |
| amorin | that's an ops deep dive anyway, we dont usually have that much work to do on our side | 15:04 |
| ttx | any question/comment re: openinfra.live? | 15:04 |
| amorin | except starting an etherpad with few questions | 15:04 |
| ttx | I feel like the pre-discussion helps though so I would rather start it sooner than later | 15:04 |
| amorin | ack | 15:05 |
| belmoreira | it would be a great show, with Ubisoft or Societe Generale | 15:05 |
| belmoreira | s/would/will | 15:05 |
| ttx | I told Ubisoft they will be next if Societe Generale gets back to us after all | 15:05 |
| ttx | #topic Large Scale doc | 15:06 |
| ttx | #link https://docs.openstack.org/large-scale | 15:06 |
| ttx | Anything new to report here? | 15:06 |
| amorin | yes | 15:06 |
| amorin | sorry, no, nothing new, but | 15:06 |
| ttx | I see https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/large-scale/+/864286 landed | 15:06 |
| amorin | I'd like to start a discussion /doc around the database connection | 15:07 |
| amorin | fine tuning the number of connections needed per service | 15:07 |
| amorin | number of green threads | 15:07 |
| amorin | number of max_pool_size, etc. | 15:07 |
| ttx | hmm, yeah that would be good | 15:07 |
| amorin | I am currently trying to formalize this downstream | 15:07 |
| ttx | iirc there is some guidance but not too much | 15:07 |
| amorin | as soon as I have something I can share, I will create a patchset | 15:08 |
| felixhuettner[m] | then we can compare what everyone has set and try to learn something from it :) | 15:08 |
| amorin | but if you folks arlready have more than what is on the doc, that would be nice | 15:08 |
| amorin | yes, I still have your numbers felixhuettner[m], from a discussion we had few weeks ago | 15:08 |
| felixhuettner[m] | +1 | 15:09 |
| amorin | I also started a thread on mailing list, but no body answered | 15:09 |
| felixhuettner[m] | i can always dig for more if you are interested | 15:09 |
| amorin | except you belmoreira :) | 15:09 |
| amorin | our public endpoints are heavily used (neutron api mostly) | 15:09 |
| ttx | somnetimes posting another answer puts it back on top of everyone's inboxes | 15:09 |
| amorin | so we have a lot of workers to handle that | 15:09 |
| amorin | but we reach the max number of connection multiple times | 15:10 |
| amorin | so there is for sure some tuning to do there, and some guideline to provide | 15:10 |
| amorin | or at least, some explanation on how the parameters act on the deployment | 15:10 |
| ttx | definitely | 15:10 |
| ttx | looking forward to your patchset | 15:11 |
| ttx | anything else on that topic? | 15:11 |
| amorin | yup, me too :) | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | amorin, I replied to you regrading this topic. The approach that we followed was to increase the number of connections in the DB side and keep the defaults for the services. | 15:11 |
| amorin | yup | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | but it would be great to dive in those params | 15:12 |
| ttx | ok, moving on... | 15:13 |
| amorin | that's my objective, I will let you know | 15:13 |
| ttx | #topic Next meetings | 15:13 |
| ttx | So in two weeks we'll have our Openinfra Live episode (if I can get the guests to confirm!) | 15:13 |
| ttx | After that we should probably do a break over the holidays, and be back in January | 15:13 |
| ttx | Does that work for everyone? | 15:13 |
| felixhuettner[m] | sounds good | 15:13 |
| kbarrientos[m] | yep! | 15:14 |
| belmoreira | when should we expect the next openinfra live? | 15:14 |
| ttx | probably end of january or so | 15:14 |
| amorin | good to me | 15:14 |
| ttx | Ideally we'll have Ubisoft or Societe Generale lined up | 15:14 |
| belmoreira | nice | 15:14 |
| ttx | so the lengthy part (booking a guest) should be done | 15:15 |
| ttx | #info OpenInfra Live on Dec 8 | 15:15 |
| ttx | #info Next IRC meeting on January 4 | 15:15 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:15 |
| ttx | There is a meetup around Large Scale OpenStack in Paris Tuesday next week, for those who are around | 15:15 |
| ttx | (in Ubisoft offices) | 15:15 |
| amorin | I'll be there | 15:15 |
| ttx | Florian and Benjamin are speaking there so in the worst case scenario i should get one of them to sign up on that day | 15:16 |
| ttx | #link https://www.meetup.com/openstack-france/events/289568019/ | 15:16 |
| belmoreira | have fun there | 15:16 |
| ttx | amorin: great! | 15:16 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone? | 15:16 |
| belmoreira | it would be great if the talks can be shared | 15:16 |
| belmoreira | looks a great content for this group | 15:17 |
| ttx | My talk is pretty generic intro, but yes, would be good to grab the slides for the others | 15:17 |
| ttx | likely in French | 15:17 |
| amorin | I think, they will try to record it | 15:17 |
| ttx | fancy | 15:17 |
| amorin | live stream will be hard, but record is possible IIRC | 15:17 |
| belmoreira | let me know if they get published | 15:18 |
| amorin | but the talks are goiing to be in french | 15:18 |
| amorin | AFAIK | 15:18 |
| amorin | sorry, ttx already mentionned it :) | 15:18 |
| belmoreira | :) it's fine | 15:18 |
| belmoreira | (I'm missing french) | 15:18 |
| ttx | alright, no other topic for discussion? going once... | 15:19 |
| ttx | going twice... | 15:19 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 15:20 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 15:20:16 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:20 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2022/large_scale_sig.2022-11-23-15.00.html | 15:20 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2022/large_scale_sig.2022-11-23-15.00.txt | 15:20 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2022/large_scale_sig.2022-11-23-15.00.log.html | 15:20 |
| kbarrientos[m] | thanks ttx!! :) | 15:20 |
| amorin | thanks, see you | 15:20 |
| belmoreira | Thank you | 15:20 |
| felixhuettner[m] | see you | 15:20 |
| ttx | amorin: I did mention your thread in the meeting summary I just posted, hopefully that will trigger new answers | 15:25 |
| amorin | Nice, thanks ttx! | 15:41 |
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