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| ttx | #startmeeting large_scale_sig | 15:00 |
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| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Jun 23 15:00:21 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' | 15:00 |
| ttx | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| ttx | Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting, in our new location? | 15:00 |
| genekuo | o/ | 15:00 |
| amorin | o/ | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | I'll ping people on #openstack-meeting-3 just in case | 15:00 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 15:01 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting | 15:01 |
| ttx | #topic Next OpenInfraLive session | 15:01 |
| ttx | Two weeks ago we produced a great episode, continuing our upgrade discussion | 15:02 |
| ttx | The "Large Scale openStack" episodes are some of the most popular on the platform for now | 15:02 |
| ttx | Our next "large scale openstack" show will be... July 15 | 15:02 |
| ttx | We need to decide on the topic ASAP so that we can gather guest speakers and promote the show | 15:02 |
| ttx | We have three top candidates, taken from suggestions at https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks: | 15:03 |
| ttx | - Inception: Run your OpenStack control plane on top of the infrastructure that it manages | 15:03 |
| ttx | - Monitoring a large scale deployment | 15:03 |
| ttx | - How OpenStack large clouds manage their spare capacity | 15:03 |
| ttx | Any preference? | 15:03 |
| amorin | I dont have personal preference | 15:04 |
| belmoreira | personally, I'm interested in "How OpenStack large clouds manage their spare capacity" :) | 15:04 |
| amorin | thats a big topic | 15:04 |
| belmoreira | "Inception" it will be cool, but maybe later? | 15:04 |
| genekuo | I also don't have a strong preference | 15:04 |
| amorin | all of them are good candidates IMHO | 15:04 |
| ttx | My only concern with this one is who would do the base presentation? | 15:05 |
| amorin | Inception is maybe not *only* related to largescale | 15:05 |
| ttx | In terms of format, we need to avoid the "too many presentations, no time for discussion" issue we had with upgrades | 15:05 |
| ttx | So I think we should prefer a narrow topic, with one single 5-10min presentation, followed by a panel discussion between 4-5 people | 15:05 |
| ttx | with "spare capacity" do we have anyone ready to do the base presentation? | 15:06 |
| genekuo | Monitoring IMO is a very large topic | 15:06 |
| ttx | genekuo: yeah we should probably be more specific | 15:06 |
| amorin | about monitoring, we can talk, but my speaker is not available easily on 15 | 15:06 |
| amorin | about spare, belmiro, you were willing to talk, right? | 15:07 |
| amorin | belmoreira | 15:07 |
| belmoreira | I think is an interesting topic to discuss... I have a lot of questions :) | 15:07 |
| ttx | belmoreira: do you think we can do the show without any leading presentation? | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | amorin, would you be willing to talk? | 15:08 |
| amorin | I think we have few things to say, but I know we are not the best on this topic... | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | I think public clouds is even more challenging | 15:08 |
| amorin | I can still ask the team and come back to you asap | 15:08 |
| ttx | We can discuss who the guest speakers could be but i want to nail down the format first | 15:09 |
| ttx | if we do presentation + panel, we need a presenter | 15:09 |
| genekuo | I can also ask the team that manages capacity to see if they can talk | 15:09 |
| ttx | alternatively we can do pure panel | 15:09 |
| ttx | if we have many questions, that could work | 15:09 |
| belmoreira | ttx having only one presentation may be very narrow scope. Probably people are doing different things... public/private clouds are completly different | 15:10 |
| ttx | it's narrow but it's a just a trick to get people engaged | 15:10 |
| ttx | or maybe it's more a presentation to introduce the topic | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | ttx true! | 15:11 |
| genekuo | I will prefer presentations + panels | 15:11 |
| genekuo | short presentations about how currently people manages capacities first | 15:11 |
| ttx | Like " the problem with excess capacity: rather than "what we do at CERN with extra capacity" | 15:11 |
| genekuo | I agree with belmoreira that private/public cloud may have a completely different view to this topic | 15:12 |
| ttx | genekuo: short presentations did not work well for us last time, just took too much time and not enough engagement between participants | 15:12 |
| ttx | but maybe we can start the discussion by introducing the challenge we want to discuss, using a few slides | 15:13 |
| ttx | that would set the stage | 15:13 |
| belmoreira | a presentation stating thee problem and then the discussion about what people usually do | 15:13 |
| ttx | and then we can ask the panel questions | 15:13 |
| amorin | sounds like a good plan | 15:13 |
| belmoreira | I think I just said the same as ttx :) | 15:13 |
| genekuo | Sounds good to me | 15:13 |
| ttx | belmoreira: since you find the topic interesting, I nominate you for stating what the challenge is | 15:14 |
| belmoreira | nomination accepted :) | 15:14 |
| ttx | Also... if people have a point to make that could really use a slide to explain, we can prepare it in advance and plug it during the show | 15:15 |
| ttx | (or keep it in reserve) | 15:15 |
| ttx | That makes the show a bit less like a Zoom call | 15:15 |
| ttx | OK so... | 15:16 |
| ttx | #agreed Topic should be "How OpenStack large clouds manage their spare capacity" | 15:16 |
| ttx | #agreed Belmiro will do the initial "challenge statement" short presentation | 15:16 |
| belmoreira | question: is any of you using something similar to spot instances? | 15:17 |
| ttx | Beyond Belmiro, who here has a great story on that topic to share and wants to be on the show? | 15:17 |
| ttx | and... who else should we invite to join? | 15:17 |
| amorin | I think I will find someone, or at least something to say | 15:17 |
| amorin | I just need to talk back about this with the team | 15:17 |
| belmoreira | not a "great story" :) I just think it's a real problem | 15:17 |
| amorin | so you can count on us | 15:17 |
| ttx | I'd like us to rotate speakers if possible, to avoid making it look like a club too much | 15:17 |
| amorin | agree | 15:18 |
| genekuo | I can ask the team managing this part. I think they can at least provide some input to the problems | 15:18 |
| ttx | Like we could have someone from CityNetwork or Binero for the public cloud side | 15:18 |
| amorin | rotate the speakers, or rotate the companies? | 15:18 |
| amorin | ok yes | 15:18 |
| belmoreira | "CityNetwork or Binero" that would be great | 15:18 |
| ttx | That could be in addition to you arnaud if you have a good story to share | 15:18 |
| amorin | I can also be "spare speaker" | 15:19 |
| amorin | if we have enought | 15:19 |
| ttx | since the challenge is clear on public clouds, I would not mind having two | 15:19 |
| ttx | \ok good | 15:19 |
| amorin | Do you have any contact with fuga.cloud? | 15:19 |
| ttx | no | 15:19 |
| amorin | I know they are using openstack, maybe I can find a contact | 15:19 |
| ttx | InMotion could be interesting, they have a "openstack-as-a-service" offering that should generate a lot of spare capacity | 15:20 |
| ttx | Otherwise, i'd love to have someone from Verizon Media (like James Penick since they have a huge capacity | 15:20 |
| ttx | Cloud&Heat could be fun too | 15:21 |
| ttx | I'll reach out to those and ask if they want to join. Any other participant suggestion? | 15:22 |
| ttx | genekuo: do you have a story to tell on that topic? | 15:22 |
| genekuo | Capacity is actually manage by a separate team. I can ask if they are willing to talk | 15:23 |
| ttx | #info Belmiro will participate, Arnaud is available in case we need him, Gene will ask the capacity team | 15:23 |
| ttx | #info thierry to reach out to CityNetwork / Binero / InMotion/ Cloud&heat / Verizon Media | 15:24 |
| ttx | belmoreira: if you do the problem statement, my added value is limited on the show, so I was wondering if you could just do the intro/outro and follow the episode script | 15:24 |
| ttx | Then I can focus on triaging questions and selecting good ones... it's been hard for me to do both | 15:25 |
| ttx | So I'll be around, just not "on" the show | 15:25 |
| ttx | belmoreira: are you ok with leading the discussion on that one? | 15:25 |
| belmoreira | That's a big challenge. i'm happy to try | 15:25 |
| ttx | (We'll work on the script of questions together) | 15:26 |
| ttx | #info Belmiro will emcee the show, thierry will be backstage selecting questions | 15:26 |
| ttx | Alright.. anything else on that? I'll keep y'all posted on the progress in recruiting guest speakers | 15:27 |
| genekuo | Sounds like a good plan to me | 15:27 |
| ttx | alright then | 15:27 |
| ttx | #topic Progress/Blockers | 15:27 |
| ttx | * Stage 1 - Configure (amorin) | 15:28 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Configure | 15:28 |
| amorin | I havnt been working on this topic for a while, dont have much time at the moment | 15:28 |
| ttx | ++ | 15:28 |
| ttx | * Stage 2 - Monitor (genekuo) | 15:29 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Monitor | 15:29 |
| genekuo | Not much update on the wiki part | 15:29 |
| genekuo | Mostly working on oslo.metrics stuff | 15:30 |
| ttx | no blocker? | 15:30 |
| genekuo | I would like to know the gap to a 1.0.0 release | 15:30 |
| genekuo | I actually put this topic in open discussion | 15:30 |
| ttx | ok | 15:31 |
| ttx | * Stage 3 - Scale Up (ttx) | 15:31 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleUp | 15:31 |
| ttx | no progress recently, openinfra.live has been eating my bandwidth | 15:31 |
| ttx | # Stage 4/5 - Scale Out, upgrade & maintain (belmoreira) | 15:31 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleOut | 15:31 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/UpgradeAndMaintain | 15:31 |
| belmoreira | I will use the info from the previous shows to update it. Will try to do it for the next meeting. | 15:32 |
| ttx | yeah... Was wondering if there was any insight to extract from our upgrades show that we could use | 15:32 |
| ttx | alright, next topic | 15:32 |
| ttx | #topic Next meetings | 15:32 |
| ttx | We'll have one more IRC meeting between now and our next OpenInfra Live show | 15:32 |
| ttx | So the schedule for next meetings looks like: | 15:33 |
| ttx | - July 7: IRC meeting | 15:33 |
| ttx | - July 15: OILive | 15:33 |
| ttx | After that my proposal would be to skip the meeting on July 21 | 15:33 |
| ttx | then have a meeting on August 4 with whoever will be around, one on August 18 and book August 26 for the next live episode. | 15:33 |
| ttx | (I booked August 26 for our next episode) | 15:33 |
| ttx | How does that sound? | 15:34 |
| genekuo | No problem for me | 15:34 |
| ttx | #info next meetings: July 7 IRC meeting, July 15 OpenInfra Live, July 21 skip, August 4 IRC meeting | 15:34 |
| amorin | august will be hard for me | 15:35 |
| belmoreira | I can't join for the July 7 meeting | 15:35 |
| amorin | july ok | 15:35 |
| ttx | hmm | 15:35 |
| ttx | belmoreira: July 7 we would have discussed lastminute prep for the OILive episode, so if you;re not around it's probably not worth it | 15:35 |
| belmoreira | but I can catch up later with ttx | 15:35 |
| ttx | ok, still useful to have async point | 15:36 |
| ttx | a sync point I mean | 15:36 |
| ttx | amorin: re: August I'm on the same boat... if we think we can't make a show on Aug 26, better push back the date | 15:37 |
| ttx | amorin: when would you be back? | 15:37 |
| amorin | not before september | 15:37 |
| amorin | september 8 I think | 15:37 |
| ttx | maybe we could do the Inception episode on Aug 26 | 15:37 |
| amorin | 1 will be hard also | 15:37 |
| ttx | since you will sit out that one I guess | 15:37 |
| amorin | yup | 15:37 |
| ttx | then we can plan one around monitoring early October | 15:38 |
| ttx | ok | 15:38 |
| belmoreira | please keep the meeting for the 7. I have already my Wednesday afternoon blocked, but let's see... I may be able to join a little bit later | 15:38 |
| ttx | #info Next OILive episode after the Jul 15 one will be Aug 26, probably around Inception | 15:38 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:39 |
| ttx | Floor is yours genekuo | 15:39 |
| genekuo | Yeah, I would like to know if there is any general guideline or a checklist to go to 1.0.0 release for projects | 15:39 |
| genekuo | I saw in wiki page that we currently still have 2 gaps (bandit and test coverage) | 15:40 |
| genekuo | Currently I've tested the basic features and confirm it working in devstack | 15:41 |
| ttx | re: bandit we should enable it, and make it skip the predictable file path using "# nosec" | 15:41 |
| ttx | test coverage, I have no idea how mucgh we test but it's probably minimal | 15:42 |
| ttx | would be good to add more if we can | 15:42 |
| ttx | but we should aim at 1.0.0 in Xena release | 15:42 |
| ttx | if you think it's not going to significantly change in the near future | 15:42 |
| genekuo | OK, I'll start working on bandit and test coverage | 15:43 |
| ttx | in terms of general guidelines, 1.0.0 means you apply deprecation rules, backward compatibility etc | 15:43 |
| ttx | so if you remove an option, you need to continue to support it as deprecated over two openstack releases, etc | 15:44 |
| ttx | so it's good to be suer about the API and config options and general architecture before declaring 1.0.0 | 15:44 |
| ttx | sure* | 15:44 |
| ttx | genekuo: you mentioned talking with another user recently... how did that go? | 15:45 |
| ttx | It's generally a good test that the lib works for several use cases | 15:45 |
| genekuo | They actually figured out how to test it with the half done code I proposed | 15:45 |
| genekuo | Haven't got back to them to see if they have any feedback | 15:46 |
| ttx | ok | 15:46 |
| ttx | maybe that would be good to do before planting a 1.0.0 flag | 15:46 |
| genekuo | Let me ask them if there's any point for improvement | 15:46 |
| ttx | ok, does that answer your questions? | 15:46 |
| genekuo | Yep, thanks a lot! | 15:47 |
| ttx | Alright then... Anything else, anyone? | 15:47 |
| genekuo | Another small question come up in my mind | 15:47 |
| genekuo | Do we gather statistics for wiki view count? | 15:48 |
| genekuo | Will be interesting to know how much people actually reach the wiki page | 15:49 |
| amorin | guys, I need to run right now, see you next week! | 15:49 |
| genekuo | Thanks amorin! | 15:49 |
| ttx | unfortunately no | 15:49 |
| ttx | no usage stats on wiki | 15:49 |
| ttx | ok let's close | 15:50 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 15:50 |
| genekuo | Thanks! | 15:50 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Jun 23 15:50:10 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-06-23-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-06-23-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-06-23-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 15:50 |
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