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| mihalis68_ | ping spotz, emccormick, mihalis68_, VW_, smcginnis, shintaro - ops meetup team meeting one hour from now | 13:59 |
| spotz | I'm about:) | 14:00 |
| mihalis68_ | agenda for this week https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:00 |
| mihalis68_ | registration+bloomberg employees is at 27 or so | 14:00 |
| mihalis68_ | for london | 14:01 |
| soumplis | hi all | 14:04 |
| soumplis | a quick question, i am planning to attend the meetup with a colleague. do you have any idea when the agenda (at least the timeline) will be fixed so as to arrange our trip ? | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | the dates have been fixed for a long time. It's a 2-day event on the 7th and 8th, and the days proceeding will be aproximately 9am-5pm | 14:06 |
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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 17 15:00:06 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | ping spotz, emccormick, mihalis68_, VW_, smcginnis, shintaro - ops meetup team meeting | 15:00 |
| VW_ | howdy! | 15:00 |
| VW_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:00 |
| spotz | o/ | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:00 |
| VW_ | hope you have recovered from your woes last week mihalis68_ | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | Sorry I couldn't run a meeting last week. We had a big outage | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | all fixed now | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | our upcoming event in London is up to 27 attendees with a couple more expected at least based on some interactions and via email | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | this seems like a good number | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | THat's great! | 15:02 |
| VW_ | awesome | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | the topic planning etherpad link has been tweeted out numerous times and seems to be getting traction | 15:02 |
| shintaro | I can't attend this time :( | 15:02 |
| emccormick | O/ | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | I think I need to make a start on the individual etherpads | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry to hear it shintaro but you've done so much, don't worry | 15:03 |
| emccormick | Might do to ping the ML again | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | we did have an outstanding question about recording and/or remote-enabling the event. We are NOT doing any of that | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | I think a recorded and or remote-capable event should mention that from the start, which we didn't do | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | it also changes the event | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | a separate question is whether to perhaps do a remote-capable event some other time | 15:04 |
| VW_ | agreed | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | but that's not an urgent question | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | I agree with that. It's great to make it easier for others, but I wouldn't want to give reason not to actually attend in person. | 15:04 |
| VW_ | yeah - might be worth a try sometime, but it adds a lot of logistics | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I agree I need to start asking more specifically for volunteers | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | I think a lot of the value is that it is a face to face event. | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | for moderaton | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | it's face to face and a safe space to speak perfectly frankly | 15:05 |
| emccormick | You know you can drop me on whatever | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | if some bit of software or some vendor sucks, we can say it. It's not a complaintfest, but being honest about challenges is important | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to start matching moderators to topics and start their etherpads | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll obviously work on the most popular topics first | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | default moderator volunteers are : mihalis68_, emccormick (thanks!) | 15:06 |
| emccormick | Most compelling reason for not recording was corporate sqeamishness | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | any questions or other suggestions for London? | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm fully booked now, and it's > 7 days until the event, feels very strange | 15:07 |
| emccormick | I don't want companies to not send people out of security concerns | 15:08 |
| emccormick | No way! | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, guess that's it for London and actions (since it's our next event) | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic Vancouver | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:08 | |
| shintaro | We did a remote attending in our local Ops meetup last week but it seemed the remote attendees were having trouble joining the discussion from remote without video. | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | we've heard that the next summit will be more like a meetup/ptg type of thing than a big glossy commercial event | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | any more detail on that anyone? | 15:09 |
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| spotz | That's sort of it yes | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | jamesmcarthur: You around? Any information on Vancouver related to the ops meetup? | 15:09 |
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| mihalis68_ | I guess we don't have any new info. I'm expecting an opportunity for us to do an ops-related mini-event within the new structure, and quite possibly something better than before | 15:11 |
| emccormick | Let's do a session brainstorming session in London | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess we'll have to just be reactive once we get the details | 15:11 |
| emccormick | It sounds funny but might be useful ;) | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | if we have something to get our teeth into definitely | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | It would be great if we can suggest how we would want an operator event to be formatted in Vancouver. | 15:12 |
| emccormick | focus specifically on forum type sessions where we might lure devs in to pick brains | 15:12 |
| emccormick | seems reasonable to expect that sort of thing I think | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | I think a lot of the structure of the event is still forming, so it might be a good opportunity to make it want we want it to be. | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Forum type sessions would probably be a great use of time. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe someone could specifically ask them to get an outline to us before London? Is that reasonable? | 15:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | smcginnis: I would assume there will be space for an Ops Meetup in Vancouver | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | great! | 15:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'd expect us to announce the format in the coming weeks | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | oh fantastic. | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | if we have something, we can bring it to the community gathering in London and perhaps get some good feedback | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | of course London/EUR -> Vancouver is a long way | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | anything else re: Vancouver? | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | ok... | 15:15 |
| emccormick | a mere 9.5 hours | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic meetup #2 2020 (SK) | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup #2 2020 (SK) (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:15 | |
| mihalis68_ | I tweeted out the proposal link for this meetup on the twitter account | 15:15 |
| emccormick | I was a bit unclear on the venue choice. As in, who should make that choice? | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | that requires review by the community as the offer covers a range of dates and (I think) three possible venues(!) | 15:15 |
| emccormick | Yeah there were 3 | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | one is apparently a beautiful island, but has more travel challenges | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | that seems a little bit out of spec for our traditional low-cost 2-day events | 15:17 |
| emccormick | Yeah I liked the sound of it at first, and then I realized he was saying you had to switch to a different airport and then fly again | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I think this team has the right to somewhat influence the content of offers | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, probably not the best then. | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Though sounds fantastic. | 15:17 |
| VW_ | no doubt :) | 15:18 |
| emccormick | I guess we can put it to a wider vote. I'll go anywhere so doesn't matter to me that much ;) | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | who is the team member with a connection to the authors of the offer? Is that shintaro? | 15:18 |
| shintaro | yes I can reach him | 15:18 |
| emccormick | I subjected myself to an extra 9 hours of travel on the front end of my trip back from China so I could see Chengdu so I clearly am insane. | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | is everyone ok if we provide feedback via shintaro that a travel-challenged venue choice is probably not quite right since our events are cheap and a lot of our community don't have lavish time to spend on an extra long transit? | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | honorable exception for emccormick who'd attend a meetup on a pacific atoll | 15:20 |
| emccormick | seems fair | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | would like to hear what everyone thinks | 15:21 |
| VW_ | No, that sounds reasonable mihalis68_ | 15:21 |
| emccormick | I wonder how much of the choice will be governed by the parallel Airship thing | 15:21 |
| VW_ | these have always meant to be short events | 15:22 |
| VW_ | so you have to balance travel | 15:22 |
| emccormick | but we should provide feedback without being bossy about it ;) | 15:22 |
| shintaro | well, I think we have a direct flight from Tokyo :) but yes its reasonable | 15:22 |
| spotz | catching up | 15:22 |
| emccormick | if It's the fancy island or nothing, then I choose fancy island | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | no Fantasy Island is option 3 | 15:22 |
| spotz | And are we then coming back to the US? | 15:22 |
| emccormick | We haven't decided anything for sure, but yeah that was the intention spotz | 15:23 |
| emccormick | we skipped the US so as to reset the separation with Flagship events better | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-2nd-korea-2020 | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | that's the proposal. No direct flights to venue choice 3 from USA nor Europe | 15:24 |
| emccormick | so we should be able to reintroduce 1x yearly North America again next year | 15:24 |
| VW_ | well, and it's really more North America than US, so we "sort of" cover that with Vancouver | 15:24 |
| emccormick | yep | 15:24 |
| VW_ | not quite the same, but you know... | 15:24 |
| emccormick | we did it with Mexico City also | 15:24 |
| emccormick | Trying to avoid visa problems for as many people as possible | 15:25 |
| spotz | Yep I remember the discussions. I wonder if maybe Ultimate Software might be talked into hosting | 15:25 |
| emccormick | but we'll see what proposals we get | 15:25 |
| shintaro | I'll tell him about how we discussed today about the Island venue | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess part of it is what would the number from USA and/or Europ be vs. local attendees | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe the island is perfectly fine for most attendees? | 15:27 |
| emccormick | spotz I don't know much about Ultimate Software, but I see they're in Florida and there's nothing wrong with that ;) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | apart from the humidity flies and about to be permanently underwater, sure | 15:27 |
| emccormick | probably like a retreat for locals ;) | 15:27 |
| spotz | Sunrise, FL. Run OPenStack and they actually participated in the Open Source Day at Grace Hopper | 15:28 |
| emccormick | nice | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess we have to continue discussing venue with the prospective hosts | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | anything else regarding meetup 2? | 15:28 |
| shintaro | I'll ask him to join this meeting next time. | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, that would be great | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #action shintaro to invite the SK hosts to attend our meeting | 15:29 |
| shintaro | probably 7th Jan? | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | that's the next meetup! | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:30 |
| shintaro | oh yes right | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:30 | |
| VW_ | no other business for me right now | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | talking of meetings... I intend to pop on here next week and the week after since we have just two more meeting until the event | 15:30 |
| emccormick | nothing from me either | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll at least report how we are doing with etherpads for the popular topis | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | topics | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | and moderators for them too | 15:30 |
| emccormick | I should be able to | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | since I know most people will be on vacation, I'll try to make sure to also share the progress via email to the openstack-discuss list | 15:31 |
| VW_ | I'm essentially off the next two weeks, but will try to pop on too | 15:32 |
| shintaro | ok then maybe next week. we don't have Xmas holidays | 15:32 |
| VW_ | at least net week - family is taking a post Christmas road trip starting the 29th | 15:32 |
| * smcginnis will be on vacation the next two meeting times | 15:32 | |
| spotz | I'll bee about if needed just ping. | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | it's just me and emccormick that will be attending from the team, right? | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll take that as a yes. Also it seems that we're done here today. Last call for any updates | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | for those that I don't talk to before end of year, have a good one (whatever your celebrations at this time of year may be) | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | You too mihalis68_. Have a great end of year everyone. | 15:34 |
| shintaro | Happy holidays everyone! | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 17 15:35:22 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-12-17-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-12-17-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-12-17-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all | 15:35 |
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| spotz | Thanks | 15:39 |
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