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| mihalis68_ | ops meetups team meeting here in about 45 minutes | 14:14 |
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| mihalis68_ | agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | ping spotz, emccormick, mihalis68_, VW_, smcginnis, shintaro ^ | 14:16 |
| spotz | Bon Jour:) | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I may be a bit late, but I have slapped together an agenda with some links to recent stuff | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd like us to discuss whether we can approve my company's offer to host in London in January for the next ops meetup | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | (bit late for 10am, have a meeting just before) | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Great, will be good to get that finalized. | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | email and tweet sent | 14:28 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:30 |
| spotz | o/ | 14:35 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 12 15:06:05 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:06 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | hello everyone | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | this is the OpenStack Operators "ops meetups team" meeting | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks for coming | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | ni hao | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm being a bit more formal since I invited everyone to come | 15:07 |
| emccormick | ni hao | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | ni hao | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:07 | |
| mihalis68_ | self report any past actions you may have had | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I got the meetup #1 proposal pout | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | *out | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | +1! | 15:08 |
| emccormick | We got meetup 2 template submitted for SK | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't recall if any of us had actions for Shanghai, but that got done too | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | ooh! | 15:08 |
| emccormick | Took care of that in Shanghai | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks to emccormick for being stalwart and running the meetup on the thursday | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I left early for reasons that arguably no longer applied, unfortunately | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | on the agenda I collected the links for the various ops related sessions I know of : the war stories, the meetup itself | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | if anyone found any other sessions operator relevant please share those links | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I also shared a pad smcginnis put together of notes | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | #link smcginnis's notes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-ops-guide | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | There were some good info sessions I wanted to make sure we captured. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | If I can track down the video to those, I will add it to the etherpad. | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | And hopefully someday we can get that content incorporated into the ops guide. | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | well done sean. I added a cold to my jetlag and frankly struggled a little in shanghai | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | +1 | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess we're already on shanghai retrospective | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | Hope you're feeling better. | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic shanghai retrospective | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shanghai retrospective (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:12 | |
| emccormick | sorry, on a call along with this. lots of stuff is linked off the meetup etherpad | 15:12 |
| emccormick | if you can find that and post it here | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | yes thanks, was in good shape by the time it came to leave | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | it's in the agenda, one sec | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | #link meetup etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/shanghai-ptg-ops-meetup | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll have to review that for the learns | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | any other things to discuss from shanghai? | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | t-shirts came out way too small | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I fwded feedback to jimmy about a session that was described in english on the app but presented in chinese, with no way for an attendee to know to expect that beforehand | 15:14 |
| emccormick | I thought the room they gave us for ops meetup was very nicely set up | 15:14 |
| emccormick | I wish it'd been more full of energetic people, but we had some good discussions | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | you did what you could with what you had in the time you were given | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | last call for shanghai thoughts | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic meetup #1 2020 | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup #1 2020 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:16 | |
| mihalis68_ | since I work for the prospective host for this, it would be good if others could make sure we observe the formalities | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd like to respectfully ask that this proposal be accepted | 15:16 |
| emccormick | +1 to London | 15:17 |
| emccormick | make it so | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | Should we do a formal vote? Or just yea's and nay's here? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | how many are we? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oRuGYkER/ | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | I saw spotz earlier. emccormick, you, and me. | 15:18 |
| spotz | here! | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Is that enough of a "quorum"? | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | I think so, but just asking. | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro responded same day as the proposal went out: | 15:18 |
| emccormick | I can proxy for Shintaro too | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4WrQZflW/ | 15:18 |
| emccormick | We discussed in Shanghai | 15:18 |
| emccormick | There was general consensus and no objections in the room | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I'm in favor of going forward with London. emccormick, VW, shintaro have all indicated yes. | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | spotz: I think you were in favor too? | 15:19 |
| spotz | Yes London! | 15:19 |
| spotz | Wish I could go:( | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | Me too | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I think that's pretty unanimous. | 15:20 |
| emccormick | spotz should put it together with a trip to Luxembourg so she can come ;) | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | And stop in Paris on the way between. ;) | 15:20 |
| spotz | I can transfer my credit to London:) | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #chair smcginnis | 15:21 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mihalis68_ smcginnis | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | I feel drunk with power! :D | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | sean you can use hash accepted to memorialize if you think we're at that point | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | a chair can do that, I en-chaired you | 15:22 |
| emccormick | I just feel drunk | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Haha | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | use your power! | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | #agreed Agreement on London for 2020 Meetup #1 | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | w00t! | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks guys | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic Vancouver | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:23 | |
| emccormick | So now let's get the foundation peeps to immediately get that in the vents calendar | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | the next summit-like event will be in vancouver, or so I hear. smcginnis? | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Correct. | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | can you share the changes you heard about for that? | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Though it sounds like Summit-like and more PTG/design summit | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | and yes, I'll communicate this meetup decision to the foundation | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | The way it has been described is as a "collaboration focused event" | 15:24 |
| emccormick | Forumy | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | unless someone else wishes to | 15:24 |
| emccormick | go right ahead Chris | 15:25 |
| emccormick | and tweet / email it too | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | There will be some presentation time, and maybe a smaller expo hall kind of thing. But the main focus will be Forum/PTG type things. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | So smaller than a full blown summit, but more focused on design discussions and the like. | 15:25 |
| emccormick | Feedback from Shanghai was that was a key missing component (the events page) and more specifically the newsletter it feeds into | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | And they did explicitly call out operators as a target audience for it. | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm excited by this | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I think it will be a relatively big event for this team | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | I hope so. | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | the combined summit/forum/ptg things are hard to comprehend from the operators perspective | 15:26 |
| emccormick | I think Vancouver will be full of more regulars so I'd expect a more lively crowd | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah! | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | I know I've heard a lot more of the usual people excited about Vancouver. More so than they were for China. | 15:27 |
| emccormick | so I'd say lets table worrying too much about Vancover until after London | 15:28 |
| emccormick | or during London | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Apologies to China. ;) | 15:28 |
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| emccormick | Well Vancouver's awesome so... | 15:28 |
| emccormick | and starting to feel like home at this point ;) | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I think the thing we need to do now for Vancouver is make sure this team is pulled into any discussions about how the format of that event should be. | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | yes, I only wanted to get the news of the change into this meeting for the record, start to get people excited about it | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | not much to really do just yet | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Otherwise, yeah, probably not much to do there until after London is out of the way. | 15:29 |
| emccormick | oh, and it sounds like fall in Berlin is in the works. I'm not sure why there again :/ | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | frequent-summiter discount? | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | That's not official yet. | 15:29 |
| emccormick | just dirty rumors ;) | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | "Somewhere in Germany" was mentioned in the board meeting, but they have not signed any contracts yet, last I heard. | 15:30 |
| emccormick | Munich please | 15:30 |
| emccormick | :D | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | That would be nice. | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | did you say you have a proposal for SK? | 15:31 |
| emccormick | yes yes | 15:31 |
| emccormick | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-2nd-korea-2020 | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | for meetup #2 | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | cool. I've put that on the agenda. I will fwd to the community on the mailing list and via twitter | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Looking at the dates, I don't see any conflicts. At least with the events I'm tracking for next year so far. | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | I wonder if we should adopt a wechat group as yet another outlet for such news? | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Should be early enough to avoid conflicting with whatever the Summit event ends up being. | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | there's a big openstack group | 15:32 |
| emccormick | He seemed kinda excited about the Jeju possibility | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | if the mailing list fails to reach many operators even in english, I cannot imagine it's reaching them in china | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if it will be possible to get more Chinese operator involvement. | 15:32 |
| emccormick | not sure who's it is to decide which venue there | 15:32 |
| emccormick | If that Summit group stays open, maybe that will be a good place to mention it on Wechat | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | We could mention now that they should watch for updates on the mailing list. That might get some attention at least. | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll give it a try. OpenStack norms are to do all communication via open channels, but I think we need to consider efficacy too | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | It's at least semi-open. | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | twitter has been proven to work, right? | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://twitter.com/osopsmeetup | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | For other than China, I think so. | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll drop the update about london and sk into that big openstack group on wechat and see if people respond | 15:35 |
| emccormick | Well, adding new channels is fine so long as the open one isn't dropped | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:35 |
| emccormick | ML can be primary. The others are just for wider visibility | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | much agree, very correctness. WOW | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | we've touched on all topics I had, and so... | 15:36 |
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| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:36 |
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| emccormick | hey neat. We got 5 new followers since the Shanghai meetup | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | I forgot to action myself up to launch the planning process for London | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to kick off London 2020 planning | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to communicated London 2020 agreement to all channels (and some new ones) | 15:37 |
| emccormick | and foundation to get on calendar | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | yep | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | How are we doing with this time slot and meeting cadence? | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I once again heard of other teams who swap time slots every other meeting | 15:38 |
| emccormick | seems fine still, though we did lose Shintaro this week | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | however shintaro continues to claim this is fine, and he's our main or only APAC attendee | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Most teams I've talked to that swap times have said it's caused confusion and people missing the meeting because they never remember which week it is. | 15:39 |
| emccormick | I'd say we worry about that if we get interest from over that way | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | I could do earlier if that makes it a little friendlier for APAC, but it seems like this time is working well. | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, if we decided to do that, I would probably try to use a calendar system and actually force this onto peoples real calendars | 15:39 |
| emccormick | nobody has pointed to the meeting time as a reason for not participating | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, I just bring it up regularly because it's almost embarrassing to have a time fixed at 10am EST | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: I agree. If we ever hear "I would attend but it's way too late for me", then I think we should think about adjusting. Until we get any sign of that, I don't think it's work this. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, guess that's fine for now | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Good to recheck every once in awhile. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | feel like we got a lot done here. Any more? | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | What are next steps for London? | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Start collecting topics in an etherpad? Publicizing the event date? | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | notify foundation, tweet and email the decision. Start the topic selection | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | all on me | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Trying to think through what we can start doing right away so we can try to avoid the crunch right before the event. | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | to be honest, I will probably pick the sessions that worked well in NYC and use them to form a "probable topics" list immediately | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Please delegate what you can. I feel bad that you need to do it all. | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | That sounds like a good plan. | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm inspired by this: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2007/10/26/evidence-based-scheduling/ | 15:43 |
| emccormick | yeah planning etherpad would be good to start up | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | topics that work at meetups don't need to be suggested again | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | if there's evidence that a topic works, it's in | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | that's my new plan | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't need to delegate. I took it easy for the shanghai event, on a relative basis | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | my boss and his boss support me doing this | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | but thanks :) | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. I just don't want you to get overloaded with anything. ;) | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | nah, i'm good | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | I want to make London better than NYC | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | the venue is better | 15:45 |
| spotz | hehehe, it's London:) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | the one irritant is the max capacity is 48 | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Any additional overflow rooms a possibility if it ends up being a popular event location? | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | well I left London for NYC, but ok :) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | seems very hard to get | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | if we get 48, that will be the biggest for several, so it's ok | 15:46 |
| emccormick | true | 15:46 |
| emccormick | I'll stand in the corner if it means one more new person gets in | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, it will be a good problem to have if we need to scramble to find more space. | 15:46 |
| emccormick | or update etherpads from the pub next door | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | oh yeah, I also have to kick the people who will provide the registration web site | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | since we have to make that | 15:47 |
| emccormick | (it's London so I'm sure there's a pub next door) | 15:47 |
| emccormick | yeah sooner the better on that one | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to initiate getting the registration site for London 2020 up and running | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | think we're done | 15:48 |
| emccormick | it's the 8th / 9th right? | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | last call | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Good progress! | 15:48 |
| emccormick | Wed / Thursday | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | 7/8 | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Etherpad says 7th/8th. | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | So Tuesday-Wednesday. | 15:49 |
| mihalis68_ | I just went back to the actual aproval ticket to make absolutely certain | 15:49 |
| emccormick | kk | 15:49 |
| emccormick | ok that's it for me then. | 15:49 |
| emccormick | put a bow on it | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 12 15:50:24 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-11-12-15.06.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-11-12-15.06.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-11-12-15.06.log.html | 15:50 |
| emccormick | nap time | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | I almost slept a normal night last night. | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | But I've been home longer. | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Did you smuggle out any pandas? :D | 15:51 |
| emccormick | getting home at 1:30 and getting up at 7 to get kids to school did not help | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Ouch | 15:52 |
| emccormick | Just some little ones on keychains ;) | 15:52 |
| emccormick | silly me connecting in Canada in November | 15:52 |
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| mihalis68_ | https://twitter.com/osopsmeetup/status/1194281816468938752?s=20 | 15:52 |
| emccormick | Nice | 15:53 |
| spotz | emccormick: That was silly:) | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | not silly - a tiny bit of snow didn't stop them forwarding erik as expected | 15:54 |
| emccormick | spotz the Sacrifices we make for long haul business class ;) | 15:54 |
| emccormick | Well yeah, but only because they actually reopened a closed flight for me. When does that ever happen?? | 15:54 |
| emccormick | AA left me rot in LA for 24 hours and I actually got there with 15 minutes to spare. AC rules | 15:55 |
| spotz | Yeah I wouold do that for business class. I've got Premium Economy round trip this time. They actually held the flight in Chicago for us as there were 21 of us on the flight from AUS to ORD then going on to LHR | 15:55 |
| emccormick | damn nice of them | 15:55 |
| mihalis68_ | who should I email on the foundation? | 15:56 |
| spotz | And that was AA | 15:56 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: For? | 15:56 |
| mihalis68_ | about London 2020 | 15:56 |
| spotz | aprice I'd say | 15:56 |
| emccormick | Jimmy for sure, but CC Allison and Kendall Waters? | 15:56 |
| spotz | +1 | 15:56 |
| mihalis68_ | the next dedicated ops meetup | 15:56 |
| mihalis68_ | alright | 15:56 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks! | 15:56 |
| spotz | Thank you! | 15:56 |
| emccormick | spotz I've had Lufthansa and United hold connections for me. Never AA | 15:57 |
| emccormick | I was one of 14 they stranded in LA on that Sydney connection ;) | 15:58 |
| spotz | Yeah AA/BA cancelled our flight home from Berlin. I would have preferred being stranded in London though did do hristmas shopping that extra day in Berlin so worked out ok | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Worse places to be standed. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | *stranded | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Like LA. :D | 15:59 |
| emccormick | truth | 15:59 |
| spotz | I would have visited relatives and/or Disneyland! | 16:00 |
| emccormick | I sat in the airport hotel brooding and working | 16:00 |
| emccormick | and drinking my food voucher | 16:00 |
| spotz | :( | 16:00 |
| mihalis68_ | email sent, meetups team cc:ed | 16:01 |
| emccormick | retweeted | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vR6aasfs0Ae3qdG/giphy.gif | 16:02 |
| emccormick | hehe | 16:03 |
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