Tuesday, 2019-08-06

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mihalis68_I'll be late to the ops meetup IRC meeting14:00
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mihalis68_hello I'm here. Who's here besides me?14:07
mihalis68_ping spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis14:07
spotzmorning14:07
smcginnisMorning14:08
mihalis68_Good Morning14:08
mihalis68_#startmeeting ops-meetup-team14:08
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  6 14:08:27 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:08
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:08
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:08
mihalis68_#topic actions14:08
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mihalis68_I haven't updated the agenda today, I thought my previous meeting was cancelled but it wasn't14:09
mihalis68_We opened up registration for the next meetup last wee14:09
mihalis68_week14:09
smcginnisAny registrations yet?14:09
mihalis68_I think we have about 15 non-Bloomberg and 10+ Bloomberg14:10
shintarohi14:10
mihalis68_The ceph guys here want to discuss ceph with openstack and also the possibility of launching a ceph operators meetup series separate to openstack meetups14:10
mihalis68_hi shintaro14:11
shintaroI'm working on our internal process to travel14:11
smcginnisThat's a great number for this soon after releasing the registration link.14:11
mihalis68_I agree. I am getting excited14:12
mihalis68_other updates:14:12
mihalis68_we'll provide breakfast and lunch to all attendees14:12
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spotzmihalis68_: did yoou ever get with Thingee?14:13
mihalis68_also I'll be out on vacation this time next week but hope to have some progress on etherpads before then to share with the community14:13
mihalis68_I have not talked to him yet but that's a very good point14:13
mihalis68_#action contact thingee re: ceph content at NYC meetup14:13
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mihalis68_We have several topics with lots of +1s already. I think they are clearly ready to start their own planning etherpads.14:15
mihalis68_#action mihalis68_ to break out already popular topics into separate etherpads and share with community14:16
mihalis68_these I think are voted in :14:17
mihalis68_Deployment tools+1+1+1+1+114:17
mihalis68_Ceph +1+1+1+114:17
mihalis68_Long-term Support +1+114:17
mihalis68_Arch Show and Tell Lightning Talk+1+1+1+1+1+114:17
mihalis68_Ops War Stories Lightning Talk+1+1+114:17
mihalis68_any objection to recognizing these immediately?14:17
mihalis68_I guess that's fine then. Aiming for end of day to start these. I was thinking of tweeting each accepted topic once via the notification account. Thoughts on that?14:18
shintarono. these topics are always popular14:18
mihalis68_(I guess I should have a confirmed moderator for each before tweeting out links)14:19
smcginnisUnless you use the tweet to help find a moderator?14:19
mihalis68_ooh! :)14:19
mihalis68_I'll try that.14:20
emccormick Hey I'm here. Sorry, people be breaking my ceph cluster14:21
mihalis68_hey there14:21
mihalis68_not sure if you have scrollback, but there's a list of hot topics ready to become separate etherpads and really get into detailed content, moderator selection etc.14:21
mihalis68_I'll be leading with the twitter account but also keeping the mailing list informed14:22
mihalis68_I also have access to the email addresses of the attendees so will cc: them on such things14:22
emccormickWas just catching up. Sounds good14:22
emccormickYou can list me as moderator for deployment tools14:23
mihalis68_ok great14:23
emccormickJust to seed the pot14:23
mihalis68_anything else for NYC?14:25
mihalis68_#topic Shanghai summit14:25
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mihalis68_did anyone find out the definitive info on what visa we will need to go to china for the summit?14:25
smcginnisSounds like either tourist or business should work.14:26
mihalis68_is tourist easier to get? I have no idea about this14:26
smcginnisI think I used https://cibtvisas.com/china-visa?source=china_destination_homepage14:26
smcginnisThey help a lot (though at a price).14:26
smcginnisNot sure if one is easier than the other.14:27
emccormickYou dont have to get an invitation for tourist14:27
emccormickJust a hotel reservation14:27
emccormickAnd apparently tourist ones come back faster14:28
mihalis68_I think I'll ask around and then perhaps go for business visa. It seems like I'd get a 10 year one from the page sean linked14:28
smcginnisYeah, in my case, I didn't think a tourist visa would cut it. :)14:28
emccormickIts random14:28
mihalis68_my employer may have guidelines though. I'll ask14:28
mihalis68_who's going that's here today?14:29
emccormickImma do business just to avoid any nitpicking immigration officials14:29
smcginnisI think I will be there. Usual caveats apply.14:29
emccormicko/14:29
mihalis68_o/14:30
smcginnisemccormick: Good call.14:30
shintaroI will too14:30
emccormicko and if anyone knows where they're staying...14:30
emccormickI don't wanna be alone in Shanghai hehe14:31
mihalis68_it's not clear to me what opportunities for a real ops meetup day we have14:31
emccormickprobably going Intercontinental Expo14:31
mihalis68_we've responded to diablo_cody about our wishes14:31
smcginnisHah14:31
mihalis68_Oh yeah I didn't check, sorry emccormick, will try to get to that14:31
mihalis68_are we going to do something in any case? we talked about just using hotel bar space14:32
emccormickThat hotel has conference and meeting facilities btw. If we found a benevolent sponsor, maybe we could do a 1 day thing on our own. Not sure how much a room costs but maybe wouldn't hurt to look into ;)14:32
emccormickor the hotel bar, yeah14:33
emccormickI think at least an informal thing would be nice14:33
mihalis68_I wont be asking Bloomberg to pay for space in shanghai, it will be too soon after us hosting here14:33
emccormicknono not Bloomberg heh14:33
emccormickmaybe one of the chinese cloud operators14:33
emccormickCloud99 who's handing out the invitation letters14:34
mihalis68_so we seem to be moving towards asking someone to host, just like the "mid-cycles"14:34
emccormickI don't want to make it that official14:34
emccormickbut it's worth looking into14:34
mihalis68_It would be a bit easier if we could find a local coordinator14:34
emccormickyep14:35
mihalis68_or even just a local person to bounce ideas off14:35
mihalis68_maybe I should ask the mailing list for someone to step forward14:35
shintaroHow about Horace Li, the Foundation guy in China14:35
mihalis68_do you know him personally?14:35
shintaroYes, he came to OpenStack Days Tokyo last month14:36
smcginnisHorace would be a great resource to use for that.14:37
mihalis68_Could I ask you to contact him and ask him for ideas on a separate space for an ops meetup, since the best the foundation can offer is maybe some space in a big room with other people there14:37
shintaroI will14:37
mihalis68_#action shintaro to reach out to Horace Li for ideas on space for ops meetup day in shanghai14:37
shintarogot it14:38
emccormickFYI 99Cloud was the one I was thinking of. I got it backwards14:38
mihalis68_I'm thinking about how Mark Collier talked about openstack clusters measured in hectares in china14:38
mihalis68_seems like a room for a day is not a lot to ask in that context14:38
emccormickand there's now a list of suggested hotels on the summit page. 0 of which are the one I was looking at *heh*14:38
mihalis68_Oh maybe that was Jon Bryce, yeah, because it's like a ranch in texas14:39
mihalis68_anything else to discuss re: shanghai for today?14:39
shintaroDo we have any preferred day for OpsMeetup?14:39
emccormickI would think Thursday14:40
mihalis68_I haven't really studied the conference schedule14:40
emccormickonce all the summit and forum things wrap up14:40
mihalis68_personally I like to be able to soak up all the keynotes14:40
mihalis68_yeah, right, exactly14:40
emccormickPTG actually begins Wednesday14:40
emccormickForum is Monday / Tuesday14:41
emccormickbut there's still presentations Wednesday too14:41
shintaroOK I will ask for Thursday14:41
emccormickso I would think Thursday would be best14:41
smcginnisAgree14:41
emccormickThen I can go be a tourist for 3 days ;)14:41
mihalis68_sounds good14:42
mihalis68_I can't see past September for some reason :)14:42
emccormickCan't imagine why...14:43
mihalis68_#topic 2020 meetups14:43
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emccormickO. We should add a session in September to ask for Forum submissions14:43
emccormickI think we need to keep our requests very light this time. Maybe one or two since the Forum is so short14:43
mihalis68_agreed14:43
emccormick2020 was on me to put out the call for14:43
mihalis68_throw it up on the planning etherpad14:43
mihalis68_yeah, was just about to remind you14:44
emccormickand I have not done it14:44
emccormick*shakes fist at his Ceph cluster*14:44
emccormickI have a half written email I will try to wrap up today14:44
mihalis68_let's not kick ourselves too much. We are here and trying...14:44
mihalis68_is anyone here about to register for NYC? The reason I ask is I plan to ping the registered attendees who are not bloomberg employees about someone else sponsoring the day 1 evening social14:46
mihalis68_I'm guessing not but thought I'd see14:46
mihalis68_We have a good number from a large telecom company :)14:46
mihalis68_naming no names14:46
emccormickI"m already signed up :)14:46
mihalis68_I saw!14:46
mihalis68_I'll kick off that discussion14:47
mihalis68_#action mihalis68_ to ask attendees to NYC meetup about sponsoring the social14:48
mihalis68_(sorry to jump back a topic or two)14:48
shintaroIt may take another week for me to get ready to register...14:48
mihalis68_I'm sure I'll be ping the attendees again a couple more times14:49
mihalis68_I was showing a colleague who runs our ceph team now all the material we have from past meetups. Definitely started to feel a sense of achievement from all this14:49
mihalis68_I can't decide whether splitting ceph out into a separate stream is the right thing, or just slightly expand the mission14:50
mihalis68_does anyone have strong thoughts on that?14:50
mihalis68_I mean, this team is explicitly the openstack operators meetups14:50
mihalis68_however it sprang from a foundation that has now expanded its mission into things like cicd and other things14:51
smcginnisI think ceph is very complementary and fits well with the overall mission of the group.14:51
emccormickI guess it's just a matter of interest14:51
emccormickwe'll guage it and see14:52
mihalis68_yes, interest-wise it's a good fit14:52
mihalis68_I'm trying to work out whether making it semi-officially the "openstack and ceph operators meetup" would be a breach of some protocol14:52
mihalis68_ceph has always had a slightly undefined status vis a vis openstack14:53
mihalis68_not an official openstack project14:53
mihalis68_a very important project to openstack14:53
mihalis68_huge overlap in the communities14:53
smcginnisI think for many operators, it's hard to talk about running an OpenStack cloud without at least some coverage of ceph.14:53
smcginnisIt's always one of the most popular cinder backends according to the survey results.14:54
mihalis68_yeah, I saw stats saying 68% of production openstack deployments use ceph for storage14:54
mihalis68_and that was a while ago (maybe 2+ years)14:54
mihalis68_I guess it's something the community should decide14:55
mihalis68_in NYC14:55
mihalis68_it has become more of a goal for my employer to facilitate a community around ceph given that it now technically "belongs" to IBM and (no disrespect to IBM) needs a counterbalance to "giant corporate behemoth" ownership tendencies14:56
emccormickok, I"m having multple messengers buzzing at once. I'm gonna go idle here in a sec (more than I've already been)14:57
mihalis68_alright14:57
mihalis68_oversharing there14:57
emccormick:D14:57
mihalis68_#topic any other business14:57
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emccormickI'm going to message the organizers of the two local openstack meetups here about the NYC meetup14:57
mihalis68_excellent14:57
emccormickmight draw a bit of interest if they share since it's so close14:57
mihalis68_final thing I wanted to mention : we have three good rooms booked all day both days. Plenty of space for parallel tracks and/or breakout/follow-on sessions14:58
emccormickPeople are crappy about showing up to events but the membership is pretty good14:58
emccormicksuper14:58
mihalis68_feel free to share my contact info for questions etc14:58
mihalis68_last call14:59
mihalis68_ok thanks everyone. I will share this meetings minutes on the list14:59
mihalis68_see you in two weeks (vacation next week)14:59
mihalis68_#endmeeting14:59
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-08-06-14.08.html15:00
smcginnisThanks!15:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-08-06-14.08.txt15:00
shintarothank you all!15:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-08-06-14.08.log.html15:00
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emccormickhave a good week everyone15:00
smcginnismihalis68_: Hey, you ever happen to read any of the Rivers of London books? Latest one I'm reading involves the construction site of the Bloomberg London office. :D15:00
mihalis68_nope, haven't15:00
smcginnisI'd recommend them, if you like that kind of thing. THey're described as Harry Potter meets CSI.15:01
mihalis68_sounds good!15:01
mihalis68_my guilty pulp fiction pleasure is the Harry Dresden series. "hard-boiled detective who is also a wizard" noir15:02
mihalis68_maybe we should try to host in London one day15:02
smcginnisSounds a little similar on concept. I haven't seen those, I'll have to check it out.15:02
mihalis68_that office is off the charts, it's insane15:03
mihalis68_when I came back from a week working in London I had a little twinge of "oh ... this dump.." and our office here is pretty deent15:03
mihalis68_decent15:03
smcginnis:D15:03
emccormickWell we are looking for a 2020 EU host...15:04
emccormick:D15:04
emccormickJust sayin'15:05
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BrentonPokeDo you have to be subscribed to a mailing list just to talk in it?18:58
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admin0hi .. how do i force a flavor to a hypervisor .. i got 2 lxd nodes up, and a lxd flavor .. but for some reasons, they do not go into the lxd computes21:20
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spotzadmin0: look at availability zones22:11
spotzmaybe host aggregates as well22:11
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