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| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Meeting today? | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | coming | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 14:05:26 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:05 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| mihalis68_ | I was due to start the etherpad and tweet it out to the community. I was delayed but did that this morning | 14:06 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | https://twitter.com/osopsmeetup/status/1128291118054039552 | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I put the first 1/2 dozen items I could think of off the top of my head down in the topic list to seed it. I will expand those | 14:06 |
| spotz | I emailed the foundation. Erin was on vacation but the request was being forwarded | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I want to make them good examplars of how to propose topics - not just a title but a quick precis | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I also added the etherpad link to our wiki | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | any more actions updates? | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Thanks for getting all of that set up. Great start! | 14:08 |
| emccormick | looks spiffy. I'll try and add a few things | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | it would be great to really flesh it out ASAP and then retweet it with a comment that it's moving along nicely | 14:08 |
| miouge | I've heard about people who are interested to host the next ops meetup in Europe. Any etherpad or link I can send them? (other than the superuser post from enter) | 14:09 |
| emccormick | Hey miouge! | 14:09 |
| emccormick | Not sure if we set up the proposal etherpad for it yet, but I can do that right now | 14:09 |
| emccormick | hmm. Though technically it wouldn't be until Fall of 2020 unless we address our rotation | 14:10 |
| emccormick | we started to talk it over at the end of last week. | 14:10 |
| miouge | Hi :) I've been keeping an eye on the meetings but I usually don't have much to say :D | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we should get a proposal etherpad going. | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | the regions for next year are still under discussion. Nothing is decided/excluded yet, except the team tries to rotate regions for fairness in travel | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | nominally 2020 would be APAC and then Europe | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | as erik already pointed out | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | but swapping them isn't impossible | 14:12 |
| emccormick | well it would be APAC and US | 14:12 |
| emccormick | but we talked about skipping US so actually that'd put Europe in spring 2021 | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | heh Erik our own docs differ on this. Some say US, Europe, APAC some say US, EUROPE, US, APAC | 14:13 |
| emccormick | but that feels far out so I think fall would be nice | 14:13 |
| emccormick | hah | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I think it's just a consideration for fairnesss, not an iron law | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | the most compelling thing for a region to have a meetup is a good offer | 14:13 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic NYC 2019 | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NYC 2019 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:14 | |
| mihalis68_ | my boss asked me if we want to give schwag away | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | I was surprised | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | not sure we need that tbh | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | but whilst pondering that I wondered about a small prize for the winner of the ops war stories lightning talk | 14:15 |
| emccormick | I wonder if we can swing another free summit pass for each of those sessions | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Those nice moleskin-like books in Paris looked pretty good. :) | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: That might be worth looking in to. | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | prizes like that mean a lot more than cheap plastic doodads | 14:16 |
| emccormick | re: swag I think it'd be awesome to have t-shirts commemorating the occasion, but Bloomberg doesn't necessarily have to be the ones to make them | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | Best lightning talk gets a ride in mihalis68_'s car. :P | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | i think everyone likes the lightning talks ending each day with a moderator, a winner and generally a fun element | 14:16 |
| emccormick | +1 to the Porsche | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | the difficulty with that is a) getting the car here b) having any kind of enjoyment of it starting in NYC | 14:17 |
| emccormick | Everyone else has to buy the winners drinks that night :D | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | it's basically a car that is unpleasant to drive until you get out of this region | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Under the Security section in the planning etherpad - do I remember right that there are extra security requirements from Bloomberg. Something like at least a government issued ID? | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I thought I put that in | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | in bold under registration in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe I should put this at the top | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Ah, OK | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Maybe both? | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah will do | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | Don't want anyone to travel far and get caught off guard by that. | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | so I'm obviously going to be the benevolent dictator for this event | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | but I would like to evade also being the social coordinator for the evening of day 1 | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | btw the ID requirement will go in the evenbrite too | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | Oh perfect | 14:20 |
| spotz | catching up | 14:20 |
| emccormick | I'll figure out evening event ideas | 14:20 |
| emccormick | if we could get a sponsor for it that'd be extra awesome | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to handle social event coordination | 14:20 |
| emccormick | not like there's shortage of options in Manhattan | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to handle social event coordination for NYC meetup | 14:20 |
| emccormick | o/ spotz | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to make the government-issued ID requirement for NYC meetup unmissable in the etherpad (and forthcoming eventbrite) | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: We can always do ping pong again. Rematch night! | 14:21 |
| emccormick | Added miouge's request for the proposal template to the etherpad so I remember to send it once we make it | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | that worked for people who didn't want to drink as I recall | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | it's really fun | 14:22 |
| emccormick | smcginnis I was in Mexico during that meetup with wvera feeding me Mescal. You'll have to clue me in on this ping pong adventure | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | erik you didn't come to NYC the first? | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | wow my mind plays tricks on me | 14:23 |
| emccormick | nope. I had a ticket but then bailed because Suse wanted to give me lots of $$$ to go to Monterrey | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I could have sworn you were there. | 14:23 |
| emccormick | obviously I took the cash | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Good choice. :D | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | it's a bar and grill but also has a large fleet of pingpong tables. you get a bucket of pp balls and play away and then sweep up the strays continuously | 14:24 |
| emccormick | I missed the first in Palo Alto, Manchester, and New York. Sad | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | Think of a pool hall, but 10x more chaotic. | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I know Messrs Fifield and Van Winkle did make that one | 14:24 |
| emccormick | nice ;) | 14:24 |
| spotz | Ok question, if you're thinking about doing something at summit/ptg how do you see that maybe changing locations? | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | because I had to leave them in some american whisky bar just when they were getting lively | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | spotz I suppose we could include the summit event in our consideration of region | 14:25 |
| emccormick | This here place? https://wearespin.com/location/new-york/ | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | so if there's an official meetup at the beijing summit then I guess the next one could be a midcycle in europe | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | and we'd have achieved USA, APAC, Europe | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | that's the place, emccormick | 14:26 |
| spotz | That might work out better, then the next one would have the 3 as well | 14:26 |
| emccormick | (adds bookmark) | 14:26 |
| emccormick | So that suggests EU for next spring | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe we're being excessively literal, but previous summits were not "meetups" they were forum and then they were forum+ptg | 14:27 |
| emccormick | between APAC and US summits. Seems fair | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | is it US again after beijing? I haven't heard that news | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | where? | 14:28 |
| emccormick | true. It is dependent on us making a respectable set of ops content in parallel | 14:28 |
| emccormick | It's not announced yet but it should be | 14:28 |
| emccormick | unless they totally bork the rotation they've been using for the last 5 years+ | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | mumble mumble always like vancouver mumble | 14:29 |
| emccormick | spring is always North America, Fall alternates between EU and Asia | 14:29 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: nothing was announced at summit | 14:29 |
| emccormick | (yes Vancouver forever please) | 14:29 |
| spotz | I like Vancouver:) | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | Somewhere in North America at least. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | ops meetups ... SEAPLANE | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | I heard they have a location, just hadn't finalized the paperwork. So hopefully we should know soonish. | 14:30 |
| emccormick | OK, well on this topic, do we have general agreement that EU seems like the best idea for the 1st meetup of 2020? | 14:30 |
| emccormick | Do we want to have a vote on that or table it for people to think on? | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro is not here this week AFAIK, but ISTR there was interest in hosting in s.korea in the spring | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | he mentioend it last week | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | Oh right, that was another good one. | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | we do have a process for community choice in the presence of more than one offfer | 14:31 |
| emccormick | Yeah, I was there when he talked to the SK guy | 14:31 |
| emccormick | it wasn't really tied to a set of dates | 14:31 |
| emccormick | but let's do wait for Shintaro then | 14:31 |
| emccormick | Well, we've tried to keep that choice tied to a region to preserve travel fairness | 14:32 |
| emccormick | I'm not sure it's overly fair to offer an EU and Asia choice as equals in a poll | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah I see what you mean, people might vote for their nearest, which starts to pull things into factions | 14:33 |
| emccormick | The last time we had competing bids was ... I forget. Have we ever had competing bids? We had 2 building choices in CDMX | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | we did, and we did a doodle poll | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | but I think that was US vs. APAC | 14:34 |
| emccormick | I have a fuzzy memory of that | 14:34 |
| emccormick | was probably before we started taking this show out of the US | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | I suppose the location choice could end up being where there is more interest if we were to leave it open to multiple offers from multiple regions. | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | this needs further discussion. I think it does depend in part on whether summits once again become official ops meetups | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | which leads me to | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic beijing | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "beijing (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:35 | |
| mihalis68_ | spotz you say you emailed the foundation about the idea from last week for an ops day immediately after the summit days? | 14:36 |
| emccormick | and if we'd have choice of 1 day or 2 depending on community interest | 14:36 |
| spotz | yes, but Erin who is in charge of it was on vacation. I emailed everyone but her so it's being forwarded:) | 14:36 |
| emccormick | I feel like 1 day + forum is enough but *shrug* | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | i think there was some consensus around 1 day in this meeting last wek | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | start small, given that people have other duties if attending summit or ptg as well | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | 1 day + forum seems like it would work well. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | spotz will that progress naturally or do we need to amplify it further? | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | i mean thierry and jon bryce turned up at NYC the first | 14:38 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: I'll poke next week, give her a chance to catch up | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | out of interest, who is likely to be in Beijing? | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | I will be requesting permission soon I think | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | I would expect to be there. | 14:41 |
| emccormick | I"ll be there | 14:42 |
| emccormick | Already have a plane ticket and don't come home til the Monday after summit, so I can do whatever length of things | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | i think we need to get an answer soon just because of the decision which depend on it | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | regional choice in particular | 14:42 |
| emccormick | OK, so we await Erin's response when she returns from much needed vacation | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | yep | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic 2020 | 14:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2020 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:43 | |
| emccormick | if we're good to do Ops content in Beijing then we can vote on what to do for schedule next year | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | we might need regional choice before then, though | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | let's be on top of this issue next week one way or another. If not by this time next week let's get on email and try | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | we will still have the opportunity to submit forum talks for beijing in any case right? | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | how did the ones in denver go? | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick? smcginnis? | 14:47 |
| emccormick | sorry, distractors... | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | I think you said deployment tools went great? | 14:48 |
| emccormick | forum sessions in Denver went pretty well and were well attended | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | I thought Denver went well. | 14:48 |
| emccormick | but they were few. Only 3 this time | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, not a lot this time. | 14:48 |
| emccormick | though there were others that Ops participated in and were very active in | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | But if we plan for it, we could try to get topic suggestions for that part too if we combine things. | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | so aim to do a bit more in Beijing? It's more of a proposal for me to make if I say "can I go to beijing, I can present xyz" | 14:49 |
| emccormick | Deployment tools session was run by Thiery | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | That is the great value - having ops and devs in the same discussions. | 14:49 |
| emccormick | but yes it was very active and we came out with lots of goals | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, forum as an idea seems proven out by experience | 14:49 |
| emccormick | I don't think we'll get a lot more forum spots | 14:50 |
| emccormick | hence the desire for Ops day | 14:50 |
| emccormick | we can probably get 3 or 4 forum sessions and that's it. 3 day summits really shorten up the schedule availability | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | that seems to be the new standard right? | 14:50 |
| emccormick | but I'd say the Ceph session should stay in the Forum as that's well beloved by the masses | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | ok so at minimum we need to get about 3 or 4 submitted. I'll try and get in principle permission soon so that I have a reason to work on submitting | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | anything else for beijing? | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | we have 8 minutes left, max and I will need to dash on time | 14:52 |
| emccormick | You can be sure you'll have the Ceph and Ops Meetup Team sessions | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | we already discussed meetups in 2020 | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:52 | |
| mihalis68_ | I do want to get ops docs moving again | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | so I put that down for NYC | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | to motivate myself to get going on the operators guide | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | Ping me if there's anything I can do there. | 14:53 |
| emccormick | I've seen a couple patches get proposed. Frank I think | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | I'd like to spend some time on it, but too interupt driven lately. | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | I think erik and I need to get rear-ends in gear and work out a way forward on deployment tech | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | it can be ripped out if a new doc covers it | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | we sort of said that's the plan and then didn't execute | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | I still think that would be a good next step on the operators guide - slim it by removing the hopelessly out of date or inappropriate sections | 14:55 |
| emccormick | Yeah that was my grand plan | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Might be good to check with ttx on his effort with deployment tools. | 14:55 |
| emccormick | just no time has presented itself :( | 14:55 |
| emccormick | same old story | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | He's trying to get the choices documented and more visible. | 14:56 |
| jproulx | when is NYC event? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll review the etherpad for that and try to understand current state of play | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | hey jon, sept 3,4 | 14:56 |
| jproulx | thx | 14:56 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: Isn't that right around Labor day? | 14:57 |
| * jproulx tries to dig himself out | 14:57 | |
| mihalis68_ | yep | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | those were the only possible days | 14:57 |
| emccormick | after it. I may be coming there via train from Pennsylvania *heh* | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | 3 minutes left | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe we need an ops meetups team social (gentle one) the night before day 1 | 14:58 |
| spotz | Oh sure have a party without me! | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | last call for any comments, updates etc? | 14:58 |
| emccormick | haha | 14:58 |
| emccormick | It's not really a party til you show up spotz ;) | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:59 |
| emccormick | nothing further from me. | 14:59 |
| spotz | heheh | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks everyone. Productive meeting. See you all here same time next week. | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 15:00:12 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-14-14.05.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-14-14.05.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-14-14.05.log.html | 15:00 |
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