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| mihalis68_ | anyone around? | 14:03 |
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| smcginnis | mihalis68_: o/ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't know if we need a meeting | 14:03 |
| shintaro | o/ | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | Could probably do a quick one to recap last weeks activities. | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | many of you will be fresh back from denver and catching up with rest of day job duties | 14:03 |
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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 7 14:04:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | as suggested by smcginnis this is a quick meeting to recap last week | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic recap denver summit/forum | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap denver summit/forum (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
| smcginnis | We could at least make the next meetup "official" after the in-person stuff during the Forum. | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Officially official. ;) | 14:05 |
| shintaro | The Ops LT Forum session had pretty good attendance and we had 6 speakers. | 14:06 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | sean refers to this proposal: | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-2nd-2019 | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I gather this was supported at the meeting last week | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | how can we embiggen the officialment of this? | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Yes, everyone seemed happy with it. | 14:07 |
| shintaro | yes everyone in the room agreed | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | I think we should go ahead and tweet and get the eventbright set up. | 14:07 |
| emccormick | we actually did already tweet it | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I tweeted that it was approved from @osopsmeetup | 14:07 |
| emccormick | but yeah, I'm all for getting everything rolling that can be got rolling | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | we could vote it in here too? | 14:08 |
| emccormick | for the sake of formalizing it, sure | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #startvote (approve the bloomberg proposal) ? YES, NO | 14:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (approve the bloomberg proposal) ? Valid vote options are YES, NO. | 14:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | #vot YES | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I recuse myself | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | #vote YES | 14:09 |
| emccormick | #vote Yes | 14:09 |
| shintaro | #vote YES | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Would be good to start getting topics proposed too. Or at least the etherpad for collecting that. | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Get as ahead of this one as we can. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I agree | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | motion carried unless objections or > 3 no votes received before end of meeting? | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic plan meetup 2 | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "plan meetup 2 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:10 | |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to re-tweet the approval of this proposal (assuming the vote stays as currently seen) | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to create the planning etherpad and then share it with the community | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Need to #endvote? | 14:11 |
| emccormick | I have a few things from the forum to seed it with. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | #endvote | 14:11 |
| openstack | Voted on "(approve the bloomberg proposal) ?" Results are | 14:11 |
| openstack | YES (3): shintaro, emccormick, smcginnis | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | erik I'll share the link early with this team to get it to have some meat before we share it with the rest of the community | 14:12 |
| emccormick | FYI Chris, we had a really good session on the deployment tools comparison docs | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to pre-populate meet 2 etherpad with summit material | 14:12 |
| emccormick | I wasn't even the one that put it up | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | can you summarise? | 14:13 |
| shintaro | I've attended the Forum session for the regional user group ambassadors + UC and they said openstack-community ML might be a good place to reach out for regional users/operators. | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | and maybe that should be one of the first topics for NYC 2019? | 14:13 |
| emccormick | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-deployment-tools-capabilities | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | We should probably also mention the idea of joining up with the Summit/Forum/PTG again. There were a few in Denver that seemed strongly in favor of getting it all together instead of having separate events. | 14:13 |
| emccormick | Yeah I'd like to continue moving the ball there | 14:13 |
| emccormick | Yes, there was much interest in reviving the old-style Ops Meetup during / after the summit | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | well summit forum and ptg are only every 6 months and all together again | 14:14 |
| emccormick | and interestingly there is no extra charge for the PTG this time | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | I presume the mid-ways are still popular? | 14:14 |
| emccormick | so as long as we can get space, we could do at least a day | 14:14 |
| emccormick | yes mid-cycles are still desired as well | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | I could see it working to have the Forum the first 2-3 days, then split off from the PTG folks and have our normal ops meetup. | 14:15 |
| emccormick | Just some stated that they have to make a choice on travel budget between summit and Ops meetup | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Still a chance of dev and ops mixing, but separate out into our own events while we can co-opt some space and optimize travel. | 14:15 |
| emccormick | they wish to do Ops Meetup style stuff but prefer the summit for its breadth of all things | 14:15 |
| emccormick | Yeah, we could certainly handle lots of cross-project stuff during forum sessions | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | this is challenging. I know everyone here knows this, but we went from independent organised events to merging with their PTG last year and then AFAICT dropped without even a discussion | 14:16 |
| emccormick | and there's nothing to say we can't schedule an Ops Meetup session with a dev team if they need feedback | 14:16 |
| emccormick | or we want to beat on them ;) | 14:17 |
| emccormick | I think we just dropped it because there was no more separate PTG | 14:17 |
| emccormick | and we already had the forum, so I thought that was GEN since we'd been doing that for like 4 cycles now | 14:18 |
| emccormick | but if there's interest in having a full blown ops day, then I say make it so. | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | anything else for meetup #2 for now? | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Nope | 14:18 |
| emccormick | easy enough to do if we can get a room | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic the future of ops meetups | 14:18 |
| emccormick | Actually I do have one question | 14:18 |
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| mihalis68_ | let me try to summarise, and then feel free to correct me | 14:19 |
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| mihalis68_ | "mid-cycle" ops meetups are still desirable | 14:19 |
| emccormick | I see the biggest room is set up for 65 people at round tables. Can that be shifted into rows to hold more, or are we limited to 65 people? | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | in quotes because they are no longer halfway through an openstack cycle | 14:19 |
| emccormick | inter-summit meetups ;) | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | what we need to redefine is what "ops meetups" mean at the (now combined) summit/forum/ptg | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we need to come up with some firm proposals and discuss them | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | round tables is the current plan because i said that we intend to make it a work-group style event, not a series of presentations | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | if we get more than 65 people we can change what they actually do up until quite late on (maybe even same week as event) | 14:21 |
| emccormick | okie doke. Just wanted to know what our head count limit actually is if we start filling up fast | 14:22 |
| emccormick | (hoping we do) | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm not trying to get to 100 or more. That has felt unwieldy in the past | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | obviously it can even be a problem (e.g. philadelphia a few years ago we overran the event capacity) | 14:23 |
| emccormick | ok, so for summit meetups, I'd say we mainly need to decide between a 1 or 2 day thing | 14:24 |
| emccormick | and then see if the foundation will give us a roundtable / fishbowl sort of room setup with a projector | 14:24 |
| emccormick | My proposal is we basically run it the same way. And if we can get away without having to chase a sponsor, then great. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | aiming for a 2-day traditional ops meetup? | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | which days of the combined monster event would you overlap? | 14:25 |
| emccormick | well this is the choice | 14:26 |
| emccormick | summit is Day 1 - 3 | 14:26 |
| emccormick | PTG is Day 3-5 | 14:26 |
| emccormick | Forum is Day 1-3 | 14:26 |
| emccormick | super weird that the PTG overlaps the forum, but whatever. | 14:26 |
| shintaro | PTG is day 4-6 | 14:27 |
| emccormick | so I would say have the Ops sessions on Day 4 | 14:27 |
| emccormick | assuming that the forum would provide sufficient sessions to make up for the extra day we normally do mid-cycle | 14:27 |
| emccormick | not this time | 14:27 |
| emccormick | that was in Denver. According to the ML email and the website schedule, it's 5 days total this time with an overlap in the middle | 14:28 |
| shintaro | oh I didn't know | 14:28 |
| emccormick | https://app.eventxtra.link/registrations/6640a923-98d7-44c7-a623-1e2c9132b402?locale=en | 14:29 |
| emccormick | So anywho, that's my thought is a 1 day post-summit thing on Thursday in Shanghai | 14:30 |
| emccormick | future summits will be schedule-dependent since we can't seem to be consistent from one to the next | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | 1-day immediately after summit seems wise to me | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | +1 for one or two days immediately following the Forum days. | 14:32 |
| emccormick | OK, who do we ask about rooms? Allison? | 14:33 |
| shintaro | +1 too, that will give me a good reason to stay | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we should first get an in-principle decision that it's supported by the foundation | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | perhaps we should feed it as a suggestion to UC? | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | Does seem like a good thing for the UC to champion. | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | what's our overlap with UC these days? I forget | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | is spotz on UC still? | 14:35 |
| emccormick | ping spotz | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | mrhillsman? | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | I mean, we can work with foundation ourselves and get the logistics worked out, but does seem like somethign the UC should be concerned about and want to support. | 14:35 |
| spotz | hey and yes | 14:35 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:35 |
| spotz | Sorry forgot I was actually here since 9:) | 14:36 |
| emccormick | We need a flag carrier :D | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | erik care to repeat your proposal? | 14:36 |
| emccormick | standard bearer | 14:36 |
| emccormick | We would like to explore doing a 1 (maybe 2) day Ops Meetup post-summit | 14:36 |
| emccormick | parallel to the PTG | 14:36 |
| emccormick | I lean towards 1, but we can ask the community in general what they think | 14:37 |
| spotz | Ok I kinda mentioned it to Thierry after one of our sessions and they seemed good with it, will need to check with events folks | 14:37 |
| emccormick | We want to know if the foundation would support such a thing and give us a room. | 14:37 |
| spotz | I can do that | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I would personally suggest we aim for 1 full day to start with | 14:38 |
| emccormick | We'd like to formalize it sooner than later since I'm sure they have to plan out rooms any day now | 14:38 |
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| emccormick | super :) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | we had a full 2 in denver PTG but by no means were we overwhelmed with content/attendees | 14:38 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ concur | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | so 1 day immediately after the 3 or 4 summit days | 14:38 |
| emccormick | 3 summit days this time, | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | I think between the Forum sessions and the ops meetup, we should be able to cover what we need in one dat. | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | day | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | We could probably ask if 2 days are a possibility, but shoot for 1. | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | yes 3 days in china but are 4-day summits officially history? Maybe they are I guess? | 14:39 |
| emccormick | so This would preferably be Day 4 (Thursday) | 14:39 |
| emccormick | and that'll leave me 3 days to go to Xi'an or something ;) | 14:39 |
| spotz | Yeah I know from feedback from some of the devs 2 'separate' events made for a long feeling week. I don't know if aprice mentioned there would be one day overlap in beijing | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: ;) | 14:40 |
| emccormick | for now at least, all the summits are 3 days | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | ooh I guess we changed topic | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:40 |
| emccormick | and no lunch :D | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic beijing planing | 14:40 |
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| mihalis68_ | mrhillsman greetings | 14:40 |
| emccormick | Shanghai ;) | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | i was in transit | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I mentioned you as we are requesting UC see if foundation will support a 1-day ops meetup immediately after the summit days | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | however spotz also turned up and agreed to fwd the request officially | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | spotz is still on the uc unfortunately i am not | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | but nice to see you here@ :) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | aha | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | yeah i stepped down last election - https://governance.openstack.org/uc/ | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, sorry, I'm out of date on UC membership | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | is VW still on? | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | yes sir | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | ok good. I feel sure spotz and vw will make the case for us. I will email him too just in case | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ reiterate the request to the foundation in email to relevant UC members (spotz, VW) | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | what else should we get going for Beijing? | 14:44 |
| spotz | I don't think there will be an issue as long as they have enough space | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | I hear openstack is big in china :) | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | i should probably initiate formal discussions to get approval to attend | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | for those that don't know, there have been some difficulties for colleagues of mine to attend china in the past | 14:45 |
| emccormick | Make it so | 14:45 |
| emccormick | Bring your daughter. We need a translator | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | but I have a friend and colleague who did it recently says it's very doable | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | heh, she denies being that good at mandarin | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure she's better than all of us. :) | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | yes some is a lot better than none | 14:46 |
| emccormick | when she has to speak it or starve I bet she realizes she knows more than she things hehe | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | think we're running out of steam today. You all travelled recently | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | so ... | 14:47 |
| emccormick | Oh, don't know if you noticed, but my occasional beer-infused sales pitches got the follower count on the twitter account up to 62 | 14:47 |
| emccormick | progress | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:47 |
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| emccormick | WE now have people from Blizzard, Verizon, and City Networks on there | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | excellent | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | well done | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | I shall have to reimburse you some beers since I didn't make it to denver | 14:48 |
| emccormick | oh and I did forget one other thing | 14:48 |
| shintaro | Jay from SKTelecom said he is interested in hosting OpsMeetup in Korea | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | no no, I insist! | 14:48 |
| shintaro | maybe 1st 2020 | 14:48 |
| emccormick | I was accosted by a gentleman from Indiana University while at the community evening event | 14:48 |
| emccormick | oh yeah and that guy! too! | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | korea eh? :) | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | Korea would be great. I've heard there has been a lot of OpenStack growth there recently. | 14:49 |
| emccormick | so we have an informal offer to host an ops meetup in Korea and at IU | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | wow! | 14:49 |
| emccormick | IU might be a little dicey. Bloomington is like 45 minutes southwest of Indianapolis | 14:49 |
| emccormick | but I'm sure we could make it work somehow | 14:49 |
| emccormick | party bus from the airport maybe :D | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | korea fits the geographical rotation goal to a tee | 14:50 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 14:50 |
| spotz | Kendall Waters said she had no issues, but I know a lot of people and companies may have issues going for technical reasons | 14:50 |
| shintaro | If we can start 2020 proposal, I will let him fill out the form | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: Do you have their contact information? It might be nice to follow up and see if they were serious about hosting and if we can get something going already. | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | an etherpad filling out the normal fields wouldn't hurt | 14:50 |
| shintaro | I will send him email and see if he is still ineterested in hosting | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | If we can decide at/by NYC, that gives us a lot of time to promote with a target audience and start planning. | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | But that may be too optimistic. | 14:51 |
| emccormick | spiffy | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | definitely seems like a worthy goal | 14:52 |
| emccormick | And we don't have to talk this out now, but for next week, ponder on the locale rotation we're on | 14:52 |
| emccormick | Are we going to skip a stop at some point to get more diversified from summits | 14:52 |
| emccormick | so as to avoid the feast or famine syndrome | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | you suggest trying to be in opposing major regions from the summits? | 14:53 |
| emccormick | and spotz thanks. I'll leave attendance issues to the foundation folks. We'll run it with whoever's there | 14:53 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ I do | 14:53 |
| emccormick | There was discussion of it in Berlin | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | definitely good to discuss, although we haven't had the problem of more than one offer for a while | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | I can't imagine opting for no event just because it's in a recently visited region | 14:54 |
| spotz | So plan is go opposite summit for midcycles and with summit? | 14:54 |
| emccormick | They see us twice in 3 months and then nothing for another 2 years | 14:54 |
| emccormick | I'm not suggesting to not have an event | 14:55 |
| emccormick | I'm suggestion perhaps skip the next US stop perhaps | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | after NYC? :) | 14:55 |
| emccormick | so go NYC->Korea->Europe->US | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | we can certainly try. My point was just we can't materialise an offer in the desired region unilaterally | 14:56 |
| emccormick | skip one US stop once through the cycle and then resume normal | 14:56 |
| emccormick | it is true | 14:56 |
| emccormick | we might do better at getting attendees if we're in Europe a few months from Asia summits | 14:57 |
| emccormick | and vice versa | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm in favor | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | 3 minutes left | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | I'd like to think about the Open Infra Days colocation again too. | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | how can we make this idea concrete? | 14:57 |
| emccormick | and seems fair that the US be the one skipped since we already get 1 every year | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | Like if we can tag on to the OpenInfraDays UK and things like that. | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: ++ | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | bear in mind that was a commercial venture | 14:58 |
| emccormick | I"m not sure yet. We have a while to figure it out though :) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | still not sure how I feel about commerical conferences getting to use all the logos etc | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | True | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Was Nordic like that? | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, just something to think about. | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | I've got nothing against commercial | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | it;s just that when helping out with osops meetups I wear the non-commercial hat | 14:59 |
| emccormick | Yeah. though curious if CERNs will have that to it at all | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | remember how strictly we vet sessions for example so that they're not sales pitches | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | out of time | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | final comments from everyone please | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | if any | 15:00 |
| emccormick | nyet | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 7 15:00:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| shintaro | none from me, thanks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-07-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-07-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-05-07-14.04.log.html | 15:00 |
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| emccormick | Well, so far irccloud seems pretty decent | 15:01 |
| emccormick | I'm not missing my fat client too much | 15:01 |
| spotz | I need to try it just haven't yet | 15:02 |
| emccormick | only bummer is you have to pay a little | 15:02 |
| emccormick | since our server needs passwords now | 15:02 |
| emccormick | free version won't do password auth | 15:02 |
| emccormick | so it's $5 / month or $50 / year | 15:02 |
| emccormick | but having it in both desktop and phone at the same time and keeping the history synced is pretty sweet | 15:03 |
| emccormick | There's a free trial though, so you can still give it a test drive | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm using irccloud free | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I have never paid them | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I think your info is a little off. freenode requires registered NICs, but IRCcloud.com happily handles that in the free tier | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I *do* lack some history though, being a freeloader on freenode | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | btw I tried to get my employer to pay for it, but it's just too darned hard to work out the red tape | 15:06 |
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| mihalis68_ | ping emccormick | 15:08 |
| emccormick | ack | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | no need to pay for access here via irccloud (see above) | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | unless you insist on all history | 15:09 |
| emccormick | I think it may just be for the phone app | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | Test from phone app, free | 15:09 |
| emccormick | I do likes the history | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | Bzzt | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | I am not saying don't pay them | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | but you don't have to, other than for history, I believe | 15:10 |
| emccormick | Huh. I kep having trouble with authenticating but maybe just fat fingera | 15:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adam Spiers proposed openstack/ha-guide master: Add a reference to Cinder volume backups https://review.opendev.org/657311 | 16:31 |
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