Tuesday, 2019-04-16

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diablo_rojosmcginnis, mihalis68_ so what would you say are the key pieces of documentation/resources that most operators look for when they are getting started?01:26
* diablo_rojo is working on the ops section of the contributor guide01:26
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spotzanyone know if this is the doc aspiers was working on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/168069513:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1680695 in openstack-manuals "Missing HA Guide Content: Testing" [Low,Confirmed]13:18
smcginnisspotz: I believe so.13:21
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mihalis68_There would normally be an ops meetups team in about 20 minutes however I have a clash and can't make it13:38
spotzThat explains why smcginnis is awake:)13:39
mihalis68_I don't have an update on a possible meetup 2 in NYC just yet but will be moving on that this week hopefully. I have been doing some retweeting from the OSOpsMeetup twitter account which is now up to 41 followers13:41
mihalis68_if we could get some more tweets about denver sessions related to ops I'd love to retweet those too (unfortunately will not be in denver)13:42
spotzI liked ours and liked and retweeted shintaro's retweet13:42
mihalis68_yes I saw thanks!13:42
spotz:(13:42
mihalis68_an interesting challenge for us has emerged as well. Our upstream open source openstack "distro" for want of a better word is based on chef. Chef is causing a schism in that community with their new licensing strategy, see https://coderanger.net/chef-licensing/  and https://github.com/bloomberg/chef-bcpc13:44
spotzYeah and they shutdown their IRC channel....13:45
smcginnisspotz: Hey, I'm a morning person. :P13:45
smcginnisAgainst my better judgement...13:45
mihalis68_given that I am on vacation next week, if I can get something done about meetup 2 this week maybe we can have an off schedule meeting here?13:45
spotzI normally ride in the morning but at the office this week13:45
spotzdepending on time I might or might not be about but that might be good mihalis68_13:46
mihalis68_so it's come to this: _med posts to the official openstack discuss list about a meetup. There are *ZERO* responses. OSOpsMeetup twitter account posts a link to that email in the archive and it has 5 likes within an hour13:47
mihalis68_mailing lists considered harmful? Nailed to its perch? Pining for the fjords?13:47
smcginnisCan tell what folks are actually reading. :)13:47
mihalis68_p.s. 3 retweets on that too13:47
spotzmihalis68_ smcginnis - If I have reason to reply to an email I will, but retweeting is easy?13:48
mihalis68_yeah it's possible a lot of people read that email, put it in their calendars and will turn up, however it feels the same as many other emails sent by us collectively that logically deserved a reply and still got nothing13:48
mihalis68_I have to dash, sorry about today's meeting, will be back when I have more to report13:52
smcginnisNo worries mihalis68_13:53
spotzmihalis68_: take care13:55
smcginnisWe can do a quick meeting to see who is around and if there are any updates.14:00
smcginnis#startmeeting ops-meetup-team14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 16 14:00:45 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:00
smcginnisCourtesy ping: spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis14:01
mrhillsmano/14:01
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smcginnisChris has a conflict today and will not be able to attend.14:01
smcginnisNot sure if we have anything to talk about, but figured I would start the meeting and see.14:02
* med_ had one response (spotz I think) to the meetup email14:02
med_regarding OsOps @ Summit drink14:02
smcginnismed_: That was posted to openstack-discuss, right?14:03
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med_yep, spotz only14:03
med_smcginnis, yep14:03
med_not sure where else to post os ops things14:03
smcginnis#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/005096.html14:03
med_posted Sunday with title:  Operators Informal Gathering at Summit, Monday night14:03
smcginnis#link https://twitter.com/osopsmeetup/status/111813240038139904014:04
smcginnisCool, thanks for getting that sent out.14:04
shintarohi14:04
med_it's mostly an echo chamber of us though in that tweet afaict14:04
smcginnisHey shintaro14:04
smcginnismed_: Hopefully it will get the visibility out there a little more. Followers of followers and all that.14:05
med_truly14:05
smcginnisI was really surprised looking at some of the twitter analytics on some of my posts by how many people had seen some of them.14:06
med_so, for those planning to attend. There's a table (restaurant table) reserved at 7:30pm with my name on it and then a pool table reserved upstairs. We don't have to use either of those things.14:06
med_kk14:06
smcginnisThanks. I plan on attending.14:06
shintarogreat I will attend, too14:06
med_and there are no "large" events that will overwhelm Wynkoop. *I've been chatting with the event planner therein.*14:07
med_some reserved areas but mostly open14:07
smcginnisOh good.14:07
smcginnisIf it's like last time we were there, should be perfect.14:07
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smcginnisshintaro has a lightning talk at the Summit:14:07
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-ops-war-stories-LT14:08
smcginnisLooks like a good one.14:08
smcginnis#topic 2019 Meetup #214:08
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smcginnismihalis68_ gave an update that he hasn't gotten details yet for Bloomberg hosting our second meetup.14:09
smcginnisSounds like it is approved, just no specific details yet.14:09
med_xlnt14:09
shintaroNo one seems to be on the LT list yet. I think I need to post an email to the ML14:09
smcginnisHe is hoping to get that this week and if so, maybe have an ad hoc meeting here to go over details.14:09
smcginnisshintaro: ++14:10
med_did chris propose an out of cycle meeting to further plan Meetup214:10
med_jinx14:10
smcginnisYeah, if he gets the details.14:10
* med_ was reading scrollback14:10
smcginnisI think the sooner we get this out there and start publicizing it, the better.14:10
smcginnis#topic Open floor14:11
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smcginnisThat's really all I had to say. Anyone have anything else?14:11
smcginnisOr we can wait and see if we end up with an ad hoc meeting later this week.14:11
smcginnisProbably not too much to go over until we can start planning details for that next meetup.14:11
med_I covered my bit and have a conflicting meeting. TTFN.14:12
shintaroad hoc meeting is fine14:12
smcginnisOK, then let's just wrap up for today. Thanks everyone!14:12
med_\o14:12
shintarothank you14:12
smcginnis#endmeeting14:12
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spotzmissed the quick meeting but planning on being there14:25
spotzmed_: ^14:26
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diablo_rojosmcginnis, mihalis68_ so what would you say are the key pieces of documentation/resources that most operators look for when they are getting started?19:56
* diablo_rojo is working on the ops section of the contributor guide19:56
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: This is the one we've resurrected: https://docs.openstack.org/operations-guide/19:58
mihalis68_sorry for my lack of response. I did see the question earlier19:58
smcginnisNot sure if that is what folks look for, but if they find it, it might have some useful information. :)19:58
smcginnisWell, I saw it earlier too, but then the asker wasn't connected anymore. :P19:58
diablo_rojosmcginnis, thats fair ;)19:59
mihalis68_I think the process works as follows : to start with we just think "ok how do I get it installed"? Then you realise day 2 problems are a thing, and if it's to be real you need HA and then hey it's best if you make some architectural decisions19:59
diablo_rojoI usually check the logs if I duck out in the middle of waiting for a question to be answered :)19:59
mihalis68_so people look at devstack and distro builds of openstack, but then rapidly start to need operations guide, HA guide, architecture guide19:59
mihalis68_which are the docs we feel are being unfairly orphaned20:00
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mihalis68_my delay wasn't that, I just started pondering and didn't finish pondering :)20:00
diablo_rojomihalis68_, thanks for the info! No worries. I was just doing some updates and additions to the operator contributor guide and wanted to make sure I was covering all my bases20:01
mihalis68_but this is nice to find some people here, because I am very happy to say that I am about to write an etherpad with an offer to host an openstack ops meetup here at bloomberg20:01
diablo_rojowhen I get a patch up is it cool if I add you both as reviewers? mihalis68_ and smcginnis ?20:01
smcginnisWoohoo20:01
mihalis68_you heard it here first20:01
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Absolutely.20:01
mihalis68_we intend to try and use eventbrite even20:01
mihalis68_yes go for it I can review something20:01
diablo_rojomihalis68_, smcginnis coolio I will try to get it up by tomorrow :)20:02
smcginnismihalis68_: Really glad to hear that came together. I mentioned it in the meeting that you may want to pull together an ad hoc meeting if it worked out this week.20:02
mihalis68_yep20:02
smcginnisIf you didn't see the meeting logs, that's probably OK. Not a whole lot to go over.20:02
mihalis68_I really should, since I am making the offer then heading out on vacay for a bit20:02
smcginnisOther than med_ pulling together the Wynkoop plan.20:03
mihalis68_I reviewed, thanks!20:03
* med_ perks up20:03
smcginnismed_: Just mentioning your outstanding social coordinator skills. :)20:03
med_<SPEW> glad I had no soda pop or coffee in my mouth20:05
med_w00t on the bloomberg20:06
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mihalis68_https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-2nd-201920:37
mihalis68_some details still to be finalised20:38
mihalis68_ping spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis20:46
smcginnismihalis68_: Thumbs up!20:49
smcginnismihalis68_: Want to get that added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups ?20:50
mihalis68_some important things: everyone must be confirmed 3-4 days before the event. Everyone needs government issued ID20:50
mihalis68_I will add it unless you're just itching to do it! :)20:50
smcginnisIf I check back later and you haven't, then I'll add it. ;)20:50
smcginnisI would hope the ID thing isn't an issue for anyone.20:51
smcginnisDoesn't matter which government it is issued from I assume?20:51
mihalis68_nope20:58
mihalis68_we host international gatherings here all the time including C++ ISO committee working groups20:58
mihalis68_techically there is a security approval stage, but as far as we know the answer has always been yes so far20:58
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mihalis68_I updated the wiki, please take a look21:03
mihalis68_gotta dash now but online later - thanks for all the good vibes so far21:03
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mrhillsmanack mihalis68_21:19
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