Tuesday, 2019-02-26

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mihalis68_mihalis68_, spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis14:29
mihalis68_meeting in 30 minutes and meetup next week14:29
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smcginnisThat came up fast.14:34
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mihalis68_Yeah :(14:49
emccormicko/14:54
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mihalis68_o/14:57
mihalis68_#startmeeting ops-meetup-team14:59
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 26 14:59:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:59
apriceo/ if anything is needed - mainly wondering if i need to share the reg list with anyone?14:59
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mihalis68_how many do we have?14:59
aprice1814:59
shintaroo/14:59
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mihalis68_disappointing turnout15:00
smcginniso/15:00
mihalis68_I don't know if Frank has plans to make badges for the attendees15:01
mihalis68_I can go get some plastic holders from staples if needed and just bring them with me15:01
smcginnis18 does seem pretty low. I was hoping with the area and things this would have ended up a larger event.15:01
mihalis68_people somewhat near can still opt to buy a ticket and attend15:02
mihalis68_but yeah15:02
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mihalis68_aprice i think it would be good to share the registration list with the hosts, frank kloeker and nils magnus (see the attendees listed here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-ops-meetup)15:03
mihalis68_if they need help with badges they can reach out. Nothing fancy is required15:03
apricemihalis68_ ok, can do15:04
spotzMorning15:04
mihalis68_g'morning spotz15:04
mihalis68_we only have 18 attendees for next week, kinda disappointing15:04
spotzI still can’t believe it’s next week:(15:05
mihalis68_we have a good selection of topics listed on the planning etherpad, but haven't converted those into an agenda just yet15:05
shintaroUnfortunately, I couldn't make it this time. But I'm sending two members from my team.15:05
mihalis68_understood15:05
mihalis68_#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team15:05
mihalis68_you can see two etherpads I made for topics I'm offering to moderate15:05
emccormickstill pretty short on topic choices15:06
emccormickthanks for getting yours together chris. I'll try and do a couple today.15:06
mihalis68_I think we will need to work on the agenda by email between now and next week. I'm suggesting we work through topics that have moderators that will be there and submit them to the mailing list when they have an etherpad and unless there's objections build up the list of approved items that way15:07
emccormickI'm going to break out the container thing into two. One will be general deployment tools talk, and the other can be running containers / k8s on openstack15:07
mihalis68_a topic with some +1s, a moderator who will be there and an etherpad seems "well formed"15:07
mihalis68_+115:07
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emccormickoh good, we got 2 more moderator volunteers. So we're up to 4 :/15:08
mihalis68_aprice can the foundation repeat the tweets and whatnot about next week's event? It's within reach for locals still, if a bit of a stretch for people from north america and/or apac to book now15:08
mihalis68_but it was always intended to be mostly for the folks in europe15:08
mihalis68_others with social media reach of any level should also retweet the event. There could well be people who book later than me even15:09
mihalis68_sean for example has a decently high profile amongst the target audience15:10
mihalis68_I don't know if targetted messages to the european operators went out, not being one myself15:10
smcginnisNot sure about that, but I've just tweeted about it again.15:10
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mihalis68_is everyone ok with the proposed process for agreeing the topics?15:12
spotzYes15:12
smcginnis++15:13
shintaro+115:13
mihalis68_I'm going to try and pull together popular topics, start etherpads, see if the volunteers are comfortable with them and make a talk list. In the past we did make a fixed agenda, but it's quite hard to do. With 18 we can perhaps just work from the list and get through them as seems natural15:13
mihalis68_a style inspired by PTG, even if we don't have a bot and irc!15:13
emccormickyes15:13
smcginnisYou'll have the mihalis68_bot15:14
mihalis68_#action mihalis68 to pull together the agenda and try to get moderators for topics. Approval is via mailing the openstack-discuss list with well-formed talks15:14
mihalis68_oh... yes... him15:14
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emccormickmake sure Frank knows so he doesn't order food for 100 *heh*15:15
mihalis68_other than final arrangements with the hosts (attendee list and badges) and the technical agenda, the only other thing I had for today's meeting is to say that there will not be this meeting next week, as at least two of us will be in transit15:16
emccormickwith 18 we could just order pizza15:16
mihalis68_any other business for this here meeting? There is a lot to do but not so much to discuss here, I'd say15:16
emccormickwell by 10am EDT I'll be firmly in place in Berlin15:16
emccormickWe can have it at a biergarten15:17
mihalis68_I can't promise, as I suspect I might be trying to nap15:17
emccormickYou know what 18 might be a good number for?15:17
emccormickAn Ops Guide sprint15:17
smcginnisHah, I like how you think. ;)15:18
spotzThat would be nice15:18
gtemathere might be 19, since I haven't booked yet (trying to find a hotel)15:18
mihalis68_hi Artem, glad you're joining us!15:18
emccormickgtema Super. Look forward to seeing you15:18
mihalis68_We were in berlin in late 2018 and anything near the train line seems to work really well15:18
emccormickYeah hotels are a little dicey. I'm over by Alexanderplatz15:18
emccormickfortunately I learned the trains last time I was there so it's not too scary ;)15:19
mihalis68_the train was frequent, cheap, and with google maps I was able to use it without any german-language skills15:19
smcginnisI had great luck with an Airbnb for the Summit.15:19
spotzAir in Berlin was near the zoo and family run15:19
mihalis68_idea: put the agenda into first 1.5 days, call day 2 afternoon a sprint. This allows some people to slope off earlier if they are traveling (energy tends to lag by day 2 afternoon)15:20
emccormickoh, and I finally figured out why the hotels are so pricey15:21
mihalis68_competing event?15:21
emccormickAnd I blame a friend of mine15:21
emccormickITB 201915:21
emccormickbig travel show15:21
gtemayes - Travel Messe15:21
emccormickand a friend of mine from here does those things.15:22
emccormickNice that she'll be there at the same time, but damnit it's made everything wicked pricey15:22
mihalis68_good to know, but we do have the efficient public transport helping connect the venue with affordable hotels15:23
emccormickand +1 to the 1.5 days -> sprint15:23
smcginnisYeah, that sounds like a good plan.15:23
emccormickyep. Also it gets cheaper later in the week, so my extended stay will cost half what the first 2 days will15:23
mihalis68_I will sketch out a 2-day agenda once we have the popular topics "built"15:23
emccormickblessedly15:23
smcginnisGood to have some flexible time too to be able to adjust for the actual audience that shows up.15:24
mihalis68_#action mihalis68 to find out from Frank about badges. If necessary I'll make them and bring them15:24
emccormickI actually have the emergency backup ones I bought for CDMX I think15:24
emccormickwill dig in my drawer and see if that's so15:25
mihalis68_gtema if you need help with arrangements for berlin, the hosts have been very helpful with answering general questions. I can connect you with them if you want advice on anything15:25
gtemaI know Frank - we work in "same" company15:26
mihalis68_ah, ok perfect!15:26
gtemabut prices and vacant places are a problem15:26
gtema"company budget limits"15:26
mihalis68_understood. Unfortunately the ops meetups team can only work with offers, including dates, that we receive15:27
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mihalis68_this was the offer15:27
emccormickI see airbnbs from ~$100 USD15:27
emccormickso like..90 EUR?15:27
smcginnisMy apartment was huge and relatively cheap for the summit.15:28
gtema"unfortunately" Telekom has partnership with lots of hotels and special prices (up to 75€) and everything above need a very special approval15:28
mihalis68_hi jamesmcarthur, can the foundation push out announcements about this event next week again? I realise it's late but there may be some potential last-minute attendees, especially regional15:28
jamesmcarthurmihalis68_ I'll talk to aprice and see what we can do :)15:29
mihalis68_greatly appreciated as always15:29
jamesmcarthurnp! how are the numbers looking so far?15:29
mihalis68_around 2015:29
mihalis68_low but workable15:30
apricemihalis_ we have it in the newsletter for this week and can plan to continue to promote on social media as well15:30
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mihalis68_great!15:31
apriceill also keep yall updated if there are any registration spikes15:31
mihalis68_yes, please15:32
spotzI was gonna suggest my hotel and 6/7 are the only days sold out:(15:32
mihalis68_the place I stayed at had apartments for reasonable hotel rates. Mine was for up to 4 people. Maybe companies sending multiple people can double up in such places15:35
emccormickThat place is like $250 / night right now. When we stayed there it was $80 ;)15:36
spotzeeep15:36
mihalis68_darn15:36
mihalis68_Hotel: ADAGIO BERLIN KURFURSTENDAMM just for the record15:37
mihalis68_behind and attached to ABBA hotel15:37
mihalis68_well, it's kind of set now15:37
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emccormickyep :). OFf we go!15:38
emccormickanything else need covering?15:38
mihalis68_any other business? Else we can get back to making some more etherpads and volunteering people to own them15:38
mihalis68_last call15:38
mihalis68_alright... thanks all, see some you in person next week!15:39
mihalis68_#endmeeting15:39
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smcginnisThanks everyone! Have a good meetup in Berlin. Wish I could be there.15:39
emccormicksee you there :)15:39
mihalis68_we will miss you for sure Sean15:40
shintaroThank you all. I'm sure my members can help out some of the moderations15:40
mihalis68_Could I ask you to confirm that and if so have their names on the list of moderators please?15:41
spotzThanks all, have fun and don't catch a cold like I did last week in Luxembourg15:41
shintaroI can see Sampath on the list already.15:41
shintaroI will ask the other to add his name too15:42
mihalis68_Thank you!15:42
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smcginnismihalis68_, emccormick, spotz: I wonder if we should have a goal to lock down the next ops meetup location within a month of Berlin so we can really get ahead of planning and publicizing things.20:12
smcginnisJust thinking, ideally it might be nice to be able to announce at one meetup when and where the next one will be so folks can start socializing it with other ops and their managers.20:12
spotzsmcginnis: Not a bad idea, I know mihalis68_ has been talking to his work20:14
smcginnisMaybe easier said than done to get things set that far ahead, but might be a good goal to work towards.20:15
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mihalis68_this was a goal this time. Not to whine, but we heard about berlin, no budapest, ok maybe berlin20:15
mihalis68_then the date changed20:15
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mihalis68_until it's nailed down, nothing else actually progresses20:16
smcginnisYeah...20:16
spotzI think we've done what we can as a group20:16
smcginnisMaybe we need to push volunteering orgs that options are nice, but just give one that will work for them and let's work towards that.20:17
mihalis68_this time berlin has proven to be a problem. It trampled on day 2 of the original dates, and then it turns out the hotels are all booked anyway20:17
mihalis68_not even DT's fault!20:18
mihalis68_(in case that seems like a veiled criticism, we did encounter difficulties with intel's on-again, off-again support for the mexico one)20:18
smcginnisYeah. Seems there's always extenuating circumstances with these.20:18
mihalis68_also, every single member of the team does it in addition to a full slate of other things, typically full-time day job, family etc etc20:19
spotzWell they're large target audiences though at the same time they are and they're just not widely known about20:20
spotzthey're not..20:20
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spotzWe just don't have insight into everyone who runs OpenStack to suggest it might be nice for their OPS teams20:20
smcginnismihalis68_: I'd say if Bloomberg would be on board for hosting 2019 part 2, let's skip the call for offers and just take that and run with it.20:21
mihalis68_yeah, someone get on tha.. ok forget I spoke20:22
smcginnis:)20:22
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