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| mihalis68_ | agenda for ops meet ups team meeting in 35 minutes. not much to say here, but I wonder if we should move the meeting to accommodate some European operators whilst we plan a Europe-based meet up? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | ping Simon-AS559 thoughts? | 14:26 |
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| smcginnis | Will be around but have a conflict. | 14:58 |
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| mihalis68_ | I'll be on in five minutes or so | 15:02 |
| shintaro | ok | 15:03 |
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| emccormick | o/ | 15:04 |
| shintaro | hi emccormick | 15:05 |
| emccormick | Hey shintaro! | 15:05 |
| shintaro | waiting for mihalis68_ and others to join | 15:06 |
| emccormick | Sean said Chris said he was running a few minutes late. Should be here though | 15:07 |
| spotz | Hey | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 29 15:08:20 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:08 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:08 |
| spotz | I apologize in advance the only things I have with IRC at the moment at iPad and iPhone | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't have any progress to report really. I've been overseeing multiple grumpy ceph block storage clusters and little else | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | the key thing is we learned last Thursday that the City of Berlin made March 8th a public holiday | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | a quick chat amongst a few ops meet ups team members lead to the rough consensus that we should move forward one day | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | the reason for rushing to a decision there was to avoid the possibility of anyone having plane tickets bought that they couldn't get a refund on that didn't work for 6th/7h | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | have not heard of any issues with March 6th/7th. Anyone? | 15:11 |
| shintaro | no. haven't booked a ticket yet. | 15:11 |
| emccormick | No complains from anywhere that I've heard | 15:11 |
| spotz | I have a draft link for the eventbrite I’ll grab that and put in channel, apricqe was talking about the design team making a header but I couldn’t see Frank’s badge to see if we had one already | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | frank shared some photographs of the venue via email | 15:11 |
| spotz | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-meetup-berlin-tickets-55034908894 | 15:12 |
| spotz | Ok so I’ll let Allison know we do need a header | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | "The venue is nearly the convention center of the Berlin Summit in City-West" | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | would that be "near" instead of "nearly"? | 15:12 |
| spotz | Yeah, she might have copied directly from our ether | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | when would the text and detailed info have to be locked down? | 15:13 |
| spotz | I’d say a week or so depending on how fast the graphics tea | 15:14 |
| shintaro | we probably need a link to the etherpad, too | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | ah ok, then I'll definitely have time to review it before end of week | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | good point shin taro! | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry for the extra space there, autocorrect | 15:14 |
| shintaro | NP | 15:14 |
| spotz | We also want to give folks time to register and get numbers back to DT | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:15 | |
| mihalis68_ | anyone updates from anyone on past actions? | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | guess not | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic berlin | 15:15 |
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| spotz | I did not contact Tobias, syseleven or potential sponsors might have been good with the date change though | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | to sum up, it seems that everyone now agrees with March 6th,7th | 15:16 |
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| mihalis68_ | fair? Please speak up if those dates seem to be a problem | 15:16 |
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| mihalis68_ | my feeling was it would not be wise to try to hold a day of a meet up in a commercial building on a public holiday. it sounds like a way to get in trouble in germany | 15:17 |
| emccormick | Yeah, very out of order | 15:17 |
| spotz | I agree about not holding on a holiday | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | We didn't have any confirmed sponsors for the old dates anyway, and these dates were always on offer from DT anyway | 15:17 |
| emccormick | avoid the bureaucracy at all costs | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | #agreed the dates are March 6th and 7th | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:18 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | There is a list of items for sponsorship from Frank via email. I can share it if anyone needs it. I'm going to request permission to pick up the coffee item | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to try to get employer approval to sponsor the coffee item for berlin | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | I think the preparations are going well other than the technical agenda | 15:19 |
| emccormick | So we need to light a fire under that. | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I should be able to work on kickstarting that later this week (ceph emergency subsiding). | 15:20 |
| emccormick | Also we could use some publicity | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I have just added ceph to the list of topic suggestions | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll moderate that | 15:20 |
| emccormick | I kind of feel like if you're not on the mailing list you'd have no idea this is going on at all | 15:21 |
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| mihalis68_ | my plan (same as last week) is make the topic list somewhat thought-provoking and then share the heck out of it inviting further contributions | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Anyone that is active on Twitter, might be good to start pushing things out there. | 15:21 |
| emccormick | WE need to get on this page | 15:21 |
| emccormick | https://www.openstack.org/community/events/ | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah I can definitely share it once I'm not quite so embarrassed by it! | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | well with a date and eventbrite we'll be in great shape to get on that page next week | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick, smcginnis is it still true that neither of you can make it? | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, not looking likely for me. | 15:23 |
| spotz | I’ll email Allison later today, I’ll need to pop out of the meeting at 11:40 | 15:23 |
| emccormick | The shortness of time is stressing me out. I'm turning into you :D | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | ha ha | 15:23 |
| emccormick | I have to run away in 7 minutes. | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | don't freak, I predict we'll start February with : event host, venue, dates, eventbrite, rough agenda, beginning list of moderators. It's gonna be GREAT | 15:23 |
| emccormick | Any other critical things you might need an opinion on for Berlin? | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I was hoping to volunteer you to be social coordinator for the first evening | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | but if you're not going go be there I suppose you think that's an excuse? | 15:24 |
| emccormick | Oh, and I have approval to go, so barring unforeseen shenanigans, I'll be there. | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | cool! | 15:25 |
| emccormick | I can hunt evening events | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | since most of todays attendees need to scoot, let's do this | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business and final comments | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business and final comments (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:25 | |
| spotz | Hofbrauhaus worked well for OSA and friends, we grew to like 20 people | 15:26 |
| emccormick | Action me to look in to evening events | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Pub crawl? :) | 15:26 |
| emccormick | Sounds like a winning plan | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | my parting comment is I'll work on the planning ether pad, make it interesting then share the heck out of it. I'll also start the agenda planning (the hour by hour plan) | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to do the stuff already promised on topics and agenda | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | #actiuon emccormick to investigate a social gathering on the first evening (march 6th) | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | it should be somewhat interesting to non-drinkers if possible | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | (past examples : pingpong, pool etc) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to investigate a social gathering on the first evening (march 6th) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | (fixing typo) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis is going to pub-crawling in Minnesota. We'll need to get him 17 coats | 15:27 |
| emccormick | That place by our hotel wasn't too bad once I actually got to playing pool | 15:28 |
| emccormick | slow service, but otherwise fine | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | yep | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: No kidding. | 15:28 |
| emccormick | not as bad as I feared | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | final comments before I end the meeting? | 15:28 |
| emccormick | oh, are we going ot try and tweak meeting time at all | 15:28 |
| emccormick | to get Frank involved | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I put it on the agenda, but nobody who can't make this meeting has made it, it's a self-sustaining problem | 15:29 |
| emccormick | or should we schedule a time when at least a couple of us can talk to him separately? | 15:29 |
| emccormick | heh | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll email frank and Simon and ask | 15:29 |
| emccormick | I"m willing to get up early and do it | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to query European operators about another time for a catch-up weekly | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | especially if this meeting can be briefer we might not even grow the commitment | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I could IRC early and then get into work | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | good idea (going early) | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | everyone done now? | 15:30 |
| emccormick | ok, see what the euros think and we'll circle back next week. We need better dialogue with them at least for the next couple months | 15:31 |
| spotz | FYI I’ll be at a conference with the new job next week, I will at least email an update to the email thread | 15:31 |
| shintaro | yep. moving earlier will be fine for me too | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | congrats on new job! | 15:31 |
| emccormick | Congrats on the new gig btw! | 15:31 |
| spotz | Thanks | 15:31 |
| emccormick | hope you're still Openstacky? | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 29 15:32:12 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-29-15.08.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-29-15.08.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-29-15.08.log.html | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | spotz: Where did you end up? | 15:32 |
| spotz | Emccormick not really but in my free time with maybe a little support | 15:32 |
| spotz | McGinnis a little open source company in Luxembourg | 15:33 |
| emccormick | :( | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | spotz: Cool! | 15:33 |
| emccormick | spotz Well, enjoy and don't be a stranger! | 15:33 |
| emccormick | ok, ttfn! | 15:33 |
| spotz | I mainly do things on my own time anyways and plan on rerunning for UC | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | Awesome! | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | As long as they support you doing extra curicular activities like that, that's good. | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I submitted to my boss that we look into hiring pure upstream developers right before this meeting | 15:35 |
| spotz | I might be on vacation and skiing for TSP but I do plan on being there right now | 15:35 |
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| mihalis68_ | it's the (typically) remote work requirement that's a sticking point for us on that | 15:35 |
| spotz | MY prob is I’m not really a developer and I don’t want on call anymore to be ops:) | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I'm sure you could find some local folks if they refuse to do remote. | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | hiring pipeline is fairly dry right now | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Remote does help in that respect. | 15:36 |
| spotz | I know n upstream person moving to Hoboken | 15:36 |
| spotz | But yeah these days its all about the remote, with trips to offices | 15:37 |
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| spotz | Any ways I’m off, trying to get things done before I start work and head out of town:) Y’all know my email if needed | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | TTFN! | 15:40 |
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| mriedem | mrhillsman: interesting question in nova we don't normally think about - how to retire images which are still being used by servers? what do most operators do in that case? change the image visibility from public to shared and then only share the image with the projects that have VMs still using that image? | 20:04 |
| mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/operations-guide/ops-user-facing-operations.html#deleting-images isn't super helpful | 20:04 |
| mriedem | the problem is if the user goes to resize their vm and the backing image is gone, and you're using libvirt in nova, resize will fail b/c the destination host can't get the image | 20:05 |
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| mrhillsman | mnaser mihalis68_ ^ | 20:05 |
| mriedem | if you have shared instance storage across all of your comptues then the image might be cached everywhere and it's not a problem, but not everyone uses shared storage like that | 20:06 |
| mrhillsman | unfortunately when i had to deal with this it was on the support side and we basically restored deleted images if they had the original still | 20:06 |
| mrhillsman | i believe shared storage was teh case | 20:06 |
| mnaser | mriedem: but if you're using ceph, i think you don't run into that, but that's problematic | 20:06 |
| mriedem | mnaser: don't run into what? delete image issues b/c they are cached? | 20:07 |
| mrhillsman | yeah so we had to do some figuring out the image uuid/hash or something - been quite a while since i had to :) | 20:07 |
| mnaser | mriedem: for a resize, it just takes a snapshot so it avoids the whole redownload dance (with using ceph) | 20:07 |
| mnaser | you actually can't delete images if VMs still exist in ceph | 20:07 |
| mnaser | so that kinda protects you in a weird way, heh | 20:07 |
| mrhillsman | but if they deleted the backing file i think it was then basically they were out of luck | 20:07 |
| mnaser | yeah i think our in-direct ceph protection is that you cant download the image if you have VMs uing it | 20:08 |
| mnaser | using it* | 20:08 |
| mriedem | *can't delete | 20:08 |
| mnaser | gah. you can't delete the image if you have VMs using it** | 20:08 |
| ioni | so the issue that i'm having is that across years, i had couples of images of centos 7 and from time to time, I do upload a new one and retire the old one with --deactivated | 20:08 |
| mnaser | yeah | 20:08 |
| ioni | instances that have its image deactivate and want to resize, it will end up in an error state | 20:08 |
| mnaser | we move our public images to community (or that state where you can pull them via uuid by not see them in list) | 20:09 |
| mnaser | i think thats' community | 20:09 |
| ioni | having this error: https://paste.xinu.at/b6ZsNA/ | 20:09 |
| mnaser | (because we can't delete them) | 20:09 |
| ioni | what's the proper way to handle this situation | 20:09 |
| mnaser | oh look openstack ansible :) | 20:09 |
| mriedem | mnaser: ah yeah https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#images | 20:09 |
| mriedem | community: "Any user may read the image and its data payload, but the image does not appear in the default image list of any user other than the owner." | 20:09 |
| ioni | I don't want to have old images in the frontend being listed or in openstack image list | 20:09 |
| mnaser | ioni: if you move it to community, it will do exactly what you want | 20:09 |
| mnaser | see above ^ | 20:09 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 20:09 |
| mriedem | "If you don’t want to maintain a sharing relationship with particular image consumers, but instead want to make an image available to all users, you may update your image’s visibility property to community." | 20:10 |
| ioni | niceeeee | 20:10 |
| ioni | i'll hang out in this channel :D | 20:11 |
| ioni | i used to be subscribed to old ml opentack operators but that was discontinued :) | 20:11 |
| ioni | mnaser, openstack ansible <3 :D | 20:12 |
| mnaser | come by #openstack-ansible too and openstack-discuss mailing list | 20:12 |
| ioni | i'm already in -ansible | 20:13 |
| mihalis68_ | IIRC we change the string name to say OBSOLETE in front of whatever the name was before, and most users get the message, however the GUID is unchanged and some system needing to use it still can | 20:13 |
| mihalis68_ | and we don't currently support a resize (just a policy decision) | 20:13 |
| mriedem | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004892 | 20:15 |
| mriedem | if someone is looking to put something in the ops guide ^ | 20:15 |
| mrhillsman | thx mriedem | 20:17 |
| ioni | mriedem, nice, i'll browse this site to see if i can find some other interesting stories | 20:20 |
| mihalis68_ | we're also 100% shared storage on ceps so may have that constraint that it won't actually delete something still referenced anyway | 20:22 |
| mihalis68_ | *ceph | 20:22 |
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