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| mihalis68_ | reminder : ops meetups team meeting in about 25 minutes | 14:34 |
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| mihalis68_ | @emcormick | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | @smcginnis | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | @spotz | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | @mrhillsman | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | @vw | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | @shintaro | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | Thanks mihalis68_ | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | is that how you ping people? I forget | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, pretty much just stating their nick in the channel works. Most clients will notify on any mentions I think. | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:47 |
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| mihalis68_ | meeting starts in about 7 minutes. Most urgent item of business is to agree (if possible) that the next meetup will be as offered by Deutsche Telekom : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2019-berlin | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | please review if you have not seen it | 14:54 |
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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 8 15:01:23 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | hello everyone. Welcome to the first OpenStack Ops Meetups team of 2019 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:02 |
| shintaro | happy new year! | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | the exciting news (and challenge) is we have an offer to host a meetup in March | 15:02 |
| med_ | \o | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | Deutsche Telekom proposed to host in Berlin March 6,7 or 7,8 | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | Can everyone please look at the proposal if you have not done so already | 15:03 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:03 |
| shintaro | great! | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | does everyone agree that the proposal is well-formed and in principle acceptable? | 15:04 |
| med_ | nod | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | It looks like a great offer to me. | 15:04 |
| shintaro | the venue looks great | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll note that we already established that the timing and region is good | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, seem non-controversial. | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | informal vote to approve this as the official 1st ops meetup in 2019? Specifically march 7,8 (right next to the weekend)? | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:05 |
| med_ | o/ | 15:06 |
| * med_ assumes that's a "yea" vote | 15:06 | |
| mihalis68_ | yes. | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | no would be | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | o | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | |\ | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | or something | 15:06 |
| med_ | ah, #startvote | 15:06 |
| * med_ is pretty sure no one has dissented. | 15:07 | |
| mihalis68_ | #startvote berlin yes, no | 15:07 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | yes | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | dammit | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | #vote yes | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | #startvote (berlin), yes, no | 15:08 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #startvote (berlin) ? yes, no | 15:08 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (berlin) ? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:08 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| med_ | #vogte yes | 15:08 |
| shintaro | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| med_ | #vote yes | 15:08 |
| med_ | The former “Central Imperial Telegraph Office” in Berlin-Mitte is the largest and oldest preserved | 15:08 |
| med_ | building from the earliest period of telecommunication and therefore part of the city’s identity. | 15:08 |
| spotz | Hey all sorry I'm late dogs slipped out the gate and had to call them back | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | we're voting on whether to formally accept the berlin offer | 15:09 |
| med_ | spotz. voting on Berlin DT offer shown here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2019-berlin | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | link above, it seems perfectly cromulent to everyone that has (so far) expressed an opinion | 15:09 |
| spotz | cool | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | "hash vote yes" or "hash vote no" | 15:09 |
| spotz | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | ping emccormick | 15:10 |
| * med_ guesses there is an endvote | 15:10 | |
| mihalis68_ | ping vw | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | ping mrhillsman | 15:10 |
| med_ | ah, good call | 15:10 |
| spotz | VW did say he was going to try to make this morning | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | whilst they *race* to respond to the bat signal, I'll note that I shared the link on the mailing list yesterday also | 15:11 |
| med_ | yep. that's when I looked at the proposal. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | ok thanks, then it did actually land on the list | 15:12 |
| med_ | for once, I did my homework and showed up.... That's a 2019 win. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | does anyone feel we need to prolong the vote here? It seems unanimous of those responding, and also well notified | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | #endvote | 15:13 |
| openstack | Voted on "(berlin) ?" Results are | 15:13 |
| openstack | yes (5): shintaro, mihalis68_, med_, smcginnis, spotz | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | cool, we have a venue | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | ok. I brought this up to top of meeting in case people need to dash | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | forgot a topic | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:14 | |
| mihalis68_ | please self-report on outstanding actions you had (honor system) | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | I had various actions to notify the community about this proposal : COMPLETE | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | also stuff related to the ops docs initiative | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | not quite there, but I did get myself a dev environment where I can build them! | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | outstanding is to find a time for a monthly catch-up on those | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Maybe an action... I updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups but anyone feel free to improve that. | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | ah, important point : #action mihalis68 to notify the host (DT) that we accepted the proposal | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | oh, nice, thanks smcginnis | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel sure I said I'd do it ... then didn't :( | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | any more action talk? | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic berlin | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "berlin (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:16 | |
| * med_ scrolled through the etherpad a ways looking for med_ actions but didn't see any (none, and none outstanding) | 15:17 | |
| mihalis68_ | #agreed it's going to be berlin, March 7th, 8th (as per irc poll just now) | 15:17 |
| med_ | fyi, I haven't made this meeting in a while, just a shout that it was great to see y'all in Berlin last year. | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | out of interest, who here expects to be able to make it? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | likewise! | 15:17 |
| med_ | I can't get sponsorship and will likely not send myself to this one. | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I expect to go to berlin. i happen to have heard that it's difficult to make, also, for emccormick and smcginnie | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis, sorry for typo | 15:18 |
| spotz | I'm always doubtful until you see me | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | heh | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | so I'll volunteer to get the necessary planning documents started | 15:19 |
| shintaro | I need to check my schedule but I will try to go. | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | they are the topic planning etherpad, the agenda google doc and perhaps a list of items to sponsor (that's up to DT largely) | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I haven't entirely given up hope on going, but will still try to help however I can if I am not able to be there in person. | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to start the ops meetups planning docs and to share their links with the community | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #action with the docs avaiable, mihalis68 to invite the UC to bring material into them from previous events | 15:20 |
| spotz | Like Sean will help plan and stuff no matter what | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | apologies I'm back | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | (this was a plan agreed in Denver to aim for better program quality, usefulness, continuity etc) | 15:21 |
| med_ | mrhillsman, berlin site approved. | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | welcome back | 15:21 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool, I'll still help with wrangling moderators | 15:21 |
| med_ | ah, he probably has scrollback. | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | from past events, the difficult part is achieving a high quality technical agenda with agreed moderators that will actually attend | 15:21 |
| mrhillsman | in the same boat as sean on travel approval | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | so even though we have two months, we're once again not blessed with a ton of time | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | (Xmas/NYE break being 3 weeks this time!) | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | this is why I'm going to do a frontal assault on easy doc chores and try to get this moving way faster at this stage than past events | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Probably the sooner we get registration going and start finalizing attendee numbers and agenda items, the better. | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | could someone own liaising with foundation on next steps? They may be able to help with an eventbrite for this since we do plan to charge the $20 again I believe | 15:23 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: I can hit them up | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | thank you! | 15:23 |
| spotz | NP | 15:23 |
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| mihalis68_ | #action spotz to let the foundation know we agreed the berlin proposal and that we'd like an eventbrite where they charge the nominal fee ($20) which is normally put into some signage | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | any more for now on berlin? | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | another thing we normally do get into discussing is: possible social in the evening on day 1 | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | can wait to get into that until more people know whether they will go | 15:26 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's enough about berlin | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic meetup 2, 2019 | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup 2, 2019 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:26 | |
| mihalis68_ | brief update: we (Bloomberg) are hoping to make a proposal to host a meetup some time approx midway between denver and china summits in NYC | 15:26 |
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| mihalis68_ | it will most likely be at Bloomberg global HQ, 731 Lexington Avenue | 15:27 |
| med_ | +100 | 15:27 |
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| shintaro | great news! | 15:27 |
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| smcginnis | That should be great! | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | the proposal anticipates a room for about 100, with lunch provided as well as a big screen, wifi, power (the usual amenitied) | 15:27 |
| * med_ will make that one with FFMiles if necessary | 15:28 | |
| mihalis68_ | one thing I'll have to work out is we have our own conference attendee management system, can't use Eventbrite | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I've asked Sean and Erik to hold us to normal no-BS standards here, and to not hold back | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | so if you need to call me or us full of it, say it out loud or rely on sean's mad diplomacy skills | 15:29 |
| med_ | I think the line posted at 8:28 by mihalis68 is a complete proposal. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:29 |
| med_ | 8:28 MST | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I can't officially confirm it yet | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | funnily enough, the community based no-vendor stance is the only way we could possibly get this into a bloomberg office | 15:29 |
| med_ | curious. | 15:30 |
| med_ | but makes some sense. | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | there's by-laws about what can be done on-prem and they are particularly strictly against anything which looks like approving of a particular vendor | 15:31 |
| med_ | nod, paper/news/reporting needs to stay independent | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | bloomberg is a big news org, buys a lot of gear and has some political sensitivies in some places. I think it does make sense personaly, but you can rely on sean to keep us in line! | 15:32 |
| med_ | probably even more so if you influence stock prices | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd like people to think about a possible dedicated track for that meetup | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | we might like openstack in financial institutions (or we may not, hard to say, wouldn't be up to just me) | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Good point - with how we've been trying to have themes based on the region, what should we do for the NY theme? | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I do have some interest in meetups from some companies in that sphere (other than us) already | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | +1 for financial. That would make a lot of sense. | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 15:33 |
| med_ | FiServ Ops Meeetup, +1 | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | excellent. Appreciate the feedback | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's enough about a possible event in september | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | we can be brief on the rest | 15:34 |
| med_ | I suspect vm-ified containers (ala Kata) to be a big Ops topic throughout the year. My crystal ball has a giant crack though, ymmv. | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | for ops docs (not solely an item for the ops meetups team) I got a dev env up on a misc ubuntu install, but it was harder than the docs imply | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | should I write that up somewhere? the tox toolchain has more dependencies than it claims | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Would be great to at least get your notes captured somewhere. | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | alright | 15:35 |
| med_ | sure, write up somewhere and send out to openstack-discuss (or whatever the new maillist name is) | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to capture a "how-to" on ops docs dev env | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | I pretty much wiped my chromebook 10 times before I got it | 15:36 |
| med_ | not to try and change topics, but we also need to discuss if we're having anything at PTG May 2-4 | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | (not a big deal given how slick chromebooks are at that) | 15:36 |
| med_ | mihalis68_, holy crap. That's bad. | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | part of it is me not being a python person | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | PTG is a fine topic | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic ops involvement at PTG, May 2-4 | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops involvement at PTG, May 2-4 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:37 | |
| mihalis68_ | admission: have not given it any thought | 15:37 |
| med_ | brb, doorbell | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | PTG is quite near in time to the summit, right? | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | is it immediately after? Or partially overlapping? | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | looks like immediately afterwards | 15:39 |
| spotz | I think the 3 days right after | 15:39 |
| shintaro | right, but we have the Forum during the Summit so Ops topics could go there | 15:39 |
| spotz | yes | 15:39 |
| med_ | it's summit adjacent | 15:39 |
| med_ | summit is 29-1may | 15:39 |
| med_ | so not sure where Ops Topics and Ops Meetup should go/get distributed | 15:40 |
| med_ | fwiw, the Fdn has asked me about groups/teams/etc in Denver for summit planning. | 15:40 |
| med_ | but also note, I'm not a denver native. If the "social" time at the brewpub/brewery worked last time, should just be repeated. | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | summit April 29-may 1 inclusive, PTG May 2-4 incl. | 15:41 |
| med_ | mihalis68_, I'm not sure about the overlap. The dates are technically separate. | 15:41 |
| med_ | yep | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Separate events. It's going to be a long week. | 15:41 |
| med_ | so not sure what time/space/etc we need to plan for. | 15:41 |
| med_ | yes. | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd like people to state their own opinions on ops attendance at PTG | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I think people know my feelings | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | could color the debate | 15:42 |
| med_ | I'm fine with OPS at some point in DEN in Apr/May timeframe. Not too particular on which end of the week. | 15:42 |
| med_ | I will likely be on-site for most/all of that week unless I get strongly re-directed by work. | 15:42 |
| * med_ got pulled away last time mid week due to "re-directed-ness" | 15:43 | |
| mihalis68_ | I'll rehash the context briefly | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Probably hard for folks attending to plan. Would it be better to stick to the Forum during the Summit? Or maybe a day or two at the forum, a day or two at the PTG to try to get different folks involved? | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | originally ops meetups were for operators. PTG was for dev teams. Little overlap | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | the most recent PTG saw a change to its definition to be inclusive of operators but also to try to serve as a traditional ops meetup | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | it was good at the firs thing, mixed at the second (my opinion) | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | now however it's back in the same time of year as summit | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Some conversations benefitted from having more dev focused folks in the room, but not sure it would be worth the extra travel time for everyone. | 15:44 |
| shintaro | +1 to stick to the Forum if its still there. | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, my own opinion is precisely "not sure" about staying for PTG (assuming I'm at the summit, which is a good bet) | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | I have a feeling just focusing on having a few good sessions during the Summit/Forum will be better than trying to coordinate something along with the PTG. | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | strongly agree | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | my only hesitation is I feel like we agreed with a plan to try to get ops to ptg | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | Getting dev attention while they are trying to work out their own stuff was a challenge too, so focusing on the PTG has a lot of risk of not paying off. | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | are we saying that that didn't really work out and we're back to the old separation (but we do have forum nowadays) | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | I think it was a good experiment to see if it could work. Maybe it still could have as a stand alone event. | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | alright. This will continue to be discussed at future ops meetups, no doubt | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | We could maybe have one option day the first day of the PTG for an ops focused track for those that are able to stick around for it? | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | regarding the social: we'll be even nearer the craft bar/pool hall | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we might have to let this simmer a bit | 15:47 |
| med_ | nod. | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | it was fine from my POV | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | time's moving along, so | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:48 | |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me. | 15:48 |
| spotz | I do like the idea of doing just the first day if folks thought it a good idea | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | is day 1 of that PTG officially the more cross-group-focused period? | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | SIGs for example? | 15:49 |
| med_ | no idea | 15:49 |
| spotz | I don't think it's planned that far yet hence asking for who will be there and what they need | 15:49 |
| shintaro | SIGs had a session at the Forum also, so it may depend on how the Foundation will organize the whole event | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | alright - leave that to a later discussion | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | if it is, however, then I also like the idea of suggesting ops consider PTG day 1 | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | however will they need a full PTG ticket for that? | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | I just nipped into the PTG FAQs and they will need a cleanup, they are out of date, e.g. | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/u144f4VL/ | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | who can own taking this back to the owners? | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | ok I'll email jimmy M then I guess | 15:52 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to email foundation staff about outdated language in PTG FAW | 15:52 |
| mihalis68_ | FAQ, darnit | 15:52 |
| mihalis68_ | any more input from anyone? (we've achieved a lot!) | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like I've lost the audience, jokes not working, people leaving out the back :) | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all! | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 8 15:53:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-08-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-08-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-01-08-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | THanks! | 15:53 |
| med_ | heh | 15:54 |
| med_ | sorry, multi tasking. | 15:54 |
| med_ | Thanks mihalis68_ | 15:54 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:54 |
| mihalis68_ | had my own motivations, have another GD meeting to scurry to | 15:54 |
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| spotz | Thanks all | 15:57 |
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