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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/arch-design master: Update repo name and links; remove obsolete options https://review.openstack.org/621697 | 14:51 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | anyone around? | 15:03 |
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| emccormickva | o/ | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 4 15:05:01 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | please add your name to the attendees list | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:05 | |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I fwded the proposal from DT to the mailing list earlier today | 15:05 |
| emccormickva | saw it thanks! | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | and I have finally got word that my employer Bloomberg can't make any offer for that time slot (our frankfurt facility will still be in renovation) | 15:06 |
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| mihalis68_ | so I think we are in the happy position of having just one good proposal for the next meetup | 15:06 |
| emccormick | stupid thing changing my nic all willy nilly | 15:06 |
| emccormick | How long do we want to let the RFC sit out there before finalizing it? | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | i think we said one or two more weeks for alternate proposals before giving DT the green light? | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | yes we were talking about a cut-off date | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | i did not remember the exact day but pretty sure it was before the end of the year | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | end of year seems reasonable (and so much closer than even a week ago!) | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | so DT or anyone else for that matter has plenty of time to get things together | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | in my email I asked for feedback here, or via contacting the meetups team and shared the link to our team wiki page | 15:08 |
| emccormick | January 8th would be our first meeting of next year. It feels kind of overly close to the event, but I dunno. | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | the other action I had was to set up a regular meeting for ops docs SIG. Did not get that done yet | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd prefer to lock it in ASAP to allow some time for the prep work - topics, moderators, sponsors | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i think waiting too long will put us in a tailspin we do not want | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis had an action to look into moving the arch guide into the ops docs sig. I see lots of activity there, it's definitely happening | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | especially if there is no alternate in the next couple weeks | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | i think that is plenty of time for someone to at least propose an alternate | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | far from a tailspin, I have a goal to do much better this time than we did for Denver | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | or even before denver ;) | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | How about this: we tell the mailing list that we currently expect to confirm the DT offer by end of year unless there's a reason not to | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, stretch goal of best meetup ever | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | however some of the past ones were really good, so that's not so easy | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | how do people feel about the tentative deadline of end of year? | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | note that DT has offered two sets of dates | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | just my opinion of course - two weeks :) | 15:12 |
| spotz | hey all | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | there is a lot to make it successful | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | morning! | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | o/ spotz | 15:13 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:13 |
| emccormick | I think 2 weeks from now is sufficient honestly | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | spotz we're discussing how quickly to lock in the deutsche telekom offer | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | hopefully with VW_ suggestion of getting thread re etherpads from Forum we can have some good session seeding | 15:13 |
| emccormick | We put out the call for proposals like a month ago | 15:13 |
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| mrhillsman | but wrangling moderators and giving folks enough time to get approval/visa/etc is key too | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | so confirm official in this meeting on 2018-12-18 unless there's a good reason not to (like a new competing offer) | 15:14 |
| emccormick | call it at the meeting on 12/18 | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | again, just my opinions | 15:14 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:14 |
| spotz | That sounds good. | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #agreed everyone present seemingly likes the plan to finish venue selection 12/18 unless new facts appear | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | vote mihalis68_ ? | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | nvm hehe | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | oh I haven't heard any opposition | 15:15 |
| emccormick | Also it gives people the chance to talk their significant others into letting them go while plying them with eggnog and expensive gifts :D | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | no no, you're good, much easier :) | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | any more updates on topic: actions? | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic ops docs | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops docs (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:15 | |
| mrhillsman | smcginnis may still be out | 15:16 |
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| mihalis68_ | as mentioned, smcginnis has been busy on this and is appropriating the arch guide into the ops docs sig | 15:16 |
| emccormick | I've been slowly reading and trying to take notes | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | he had to travel yesterday | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | but has been doing things | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | yep. i don;t think there are any more updates on ops docs except to say that looks like splitting off from ops meetups team | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm going to be working on that when I can | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | (when not fixing angry ceph clusters :) | 15:17 |
| emccormick | hehe | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic 2019 meetups | 15:17 |
| emccormick | One docs question on the ops guide for you | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2019 meetups (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:17 | |
| mihalis68_ | oops, go ahead | 15:17 |
| emccormick | we talked at one of the forum sessions a while ago about lopping off a large chunk of the beginning that had to do with deployment tools and replacing it with a short list of references | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | yes | 15:18 |
| emccormick | I am trying to figure out exactly what that would look like, but before I spend time on it, are there any objections? | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm in favor, as how to deploy has become a huge topic | 15:18 |
| emccormick | it would be a fairly large patch | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | and intertwined with architecture now | 15:18 |
| emccormick | It's just always seemed bizarre to have a doc specifically stated to be about day 2 ops have a giant, and out of date, section about deployment | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | since if you want to deploy on k8s you have some choices, if you want containerized but not full k8s it's these other things (with some overlap) and then there's non-containerized, traditional, triple-O etc | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | you kind of have to make a big upfront "how will my openstack run" choice before you can choose your installation stuffs now | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | I agree | 15:19 |
| emccormick | I intend to cross-reference to install guides, architecture guide, etc | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | sounds good to me | 15:19 |
| emccormick | but just as a pointer to where to go for that info | 15:19 |
| emccormick | k | 15:20 |
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| mihalis68_ | I'm itching to write the opinionated guide on building you an openstack for great good | 15:20 |
| emccormick | I'm going to work on it over the holiday I think since I'll be bored at my in-laws for days on end ;) | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | excellent | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, on to 2019 meetups for real now | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | summary of #1: | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | DT has proposed two dates. We need to pick one set of dates, but otherwise we are likely to accept that offer officially on 12/18 | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | this means travelling to berlin again | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | which is not quite ideal | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | however, Europe is the expected region for the next meetup, and berlin is the only offer on the table | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | it works for me, but I'll be hoping for no snow-related travel chaos on the way home this time | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | how should we proceed on the question of which date? | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | I thought about doing a poll, however the last poll we did had a tiny response | 15:23 |
| emccormick | I'm scanning air fares for one | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we might do better to study the two time slots and see if one has reasons to be better | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | for example: adjacency to any other vaguely related event | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't think we can nor should we try to decide today, but how about we all take an action to look into which set of dates is better? | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | yes? No? | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | <tap> <tap> this thing on? | 15:24 |
| emccormick | sounds good | 15:25 |
| spotz | I'd need a sponsor to go:( But I'll help plan | 15:25 |
| emccormick | do eet | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | ok. emccormick is looking, mrhillsman says ++ and I suggested it | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | #action everyone look into pros and cons of the two date proposals from Deutsche Telekom | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | meetup #2 will be (potentially) a single-day at CERN | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | Belmiro Moreira is the contact there | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I forget what the next steps are there | 15:26 |
| shubjero | Any operators here turn off intel's hyperthreading because of spectre/meltdown concerns? | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | hello shubjero: we don't turn it off yet, we're probably jumping to new cpus once our security people decide | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | and by the way we're having a meeting here, but it's fine! :) | 15:27 |
| shubjero | oh sorry | 15:27 |
| emccormick | shubjero No, never | 15:27 |
| emccormick | :) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | the second official meetup ("midcycle" as we used to call them) is aimed at North America | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | I am formally proposing internally to host it in NYC | 15:27 |
| emccormick | One thing on the DT meetup, we need to make sure to get a DT person in these meetings once they're approved | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | most likely at Bloomberg headquarters | 15:27 |
| spotz | Any luck with that? | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | yes, agreed | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | luck with which? | 15:28 |
| spotz | Internal saying yes:) | 15:28 |
| spotz | emccormick: Reach out to Frank | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | if the question is about Bloomberg, at this stage I have a ticket in suggesting it, and approval to mention that we are working on it, however I don't have a booking on the mega "multi-purpose room" yet | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm due to follow-up with the authorities on all that soon | 15:29 |
| emccormick | spotz will do. | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to email fkloeker that we aim to agree the DT proposal on 12/18 and also that we are currently looking at which dates work best | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to push forward on bloomberg-internal paperwork for a possible hosting offer for meetup 2 2019 | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | Another action I forgot to mention was regarding a SuperUser article about the mailing list merger | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | a mailing list thread happened and AFAIK it was agreed and will happen | 15:32 |
| shubjero | What's involved in hosting ops meetups? We have been hosting openstack toronto meetups for all of 2018 | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | fungi noted that the two announcements already have all the technical info such an article would need | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | shubjero there's a page listing how it works, let me dig it out | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups it's here "how meetups are planned" | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | this team mostly focuses on a couple of international meetups for the entire community | 15:33 |
| shubjero | mihalis68_: thanks | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | so far it's run ones in : NYC, Milan, Mexico City, Denver and Tokyo | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | the question of does the meetups team have involvement in regional ones is fairly open | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | but one thing we'd love to do is connect more with regional groups, as the old openstack-operators mailing list really started to go deathly quiet recently | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | we're hoping that the new unified openstack-discuss list will work better | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | are your community members subscribed to that? | 15:35 |
| shubjero | Looks like the venue criteria on the openstack site is too much for our particular venue. Toronto typically has a pretty low turnout for meetups unfortunately. What drives attendance is flashy titles like kubernetes and ai :). | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | if you have any thoughts on that shubjero feel free to get in touch with us (ops meetups team). Contact details here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team or this meeting every week at 10am EST here | 15:37 |
| shubjero | Some are, yes and the merging of mailing lists was smart because lots of ops questions made it to openstack mailing list instead of openstack-operators and visa versa | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | ok that's good to know | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel sure the meetups team could help out a little with regional ones, getting the word out if nothing else, and perhaps you might see one or two travel (Toronto is not THAT far from here!) | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I can sense that this meeting is nearly over. I know everyone's busy | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | so | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:39 | |
| emccormick | Nothing from me. | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | as usual i'd like to know if this time slot still works for everyone | 15:39 |
| spotz | I'm good | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | it's kind of a self-defeating question, as I'm asking *only those who attend* :) | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | so if you hear rumors that VW or Shintaro need to move the slot, pass it on! | 15:40 |
| spotz | hehe, I periodically do a doodle poll for D&I | 15:40 |
| emccormick | shubjero our names and emails are on here if you have questions in the interim | 15:40 |
| emccormick | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe I should put this to the new combined mailing list? | 15:40 |
| emccormick | Happy to help ops events ideas however we can | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to ask for confirmation of ops meetups team meeting frequency and cadence on new openstack-discuss list | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | ok final call | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | a good chair always finishes at first opportunity | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 4 15:42:16 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all! | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-04-15.05.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-04-15.05.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-04-15.05.log.html | 15:42 |
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