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| openstackgerrit | Filippo Inzaghi proposed openstack/osops-tools-monitoring master: Removed older version of python3.4 https://review.openstack.org/606376 | 04:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Filippo Inzaghi proposed openstack/osops-tools-monitoring master: Removed older version of python3.4 https://review.openstack.org/606376 | 06:01 |
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| mihalis68_ | I suggest no meeting of Ops Meetups team today, given that almost the entire team was in berlin last week and is therefore probably more backlogged than usual with their day jobs | 14:18 |
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| mihalis68_ | posted this earlier: | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | I suggest no meeting of Ops Meetups team today, given that almost the entire team was in berlin last week and is therefore probably more backlogged than usual with their day jobs | 14:52 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:02 |
| emccormick | I'm fine with no meeting ;) | 15:02 |
| emccormick | I was just idling here anyway | 15:02 |
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| mihalis68_ | no meeting today shintaro | 15:09 |
| shintaro | hi mihalis68 | 15:09 |
| mihalis68_ | hope you had a better trip back than many of us heading back to the US | 15:09 |
| shintaro | I had no trouble going back home :) | 15:10 |
| shintaro | back to normal life | 15:10 |
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| mihalis68_ | great! | 15:14 |
| spotz | Hey all | 15:23 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:23 |
| spotz | Our flight from London to Austin got cancelled. Couldn't talk them into letting us got Berlin to London and staying the extra night there vs Berlin:( | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | glad you made it back home! | 15:26 |
| spotz | Yeah I was wiped when we got in last night. I was surprised the dogs let me go to bed withouth too much (for them) licking and playing. They were happy just to smother me:) | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | there's no meetig today, just fyi | 15:36 |
| mriedem | so you know how there was a community goal from lbragstad to move policy in code? and then your policy file is empty and you can override what you need? | 15:41 |
| mriedem | how much of a PITA is it for that not to be in glance? and have to modify the glance policy because it's otherwise totally open-ended? https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/etc/policy.json | 15:41 |
| mriedem | i expect all existing deployments have already dealt with this in their deployment/config mgmt tooling years ago, but for new openstack deployments i would expect this to be one of those "openstack is hard" things | 15:42 |
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| mriedem | mrhillsman: smcginnis: mnaser: ^ you ever hear grief about this at ops midcycles? | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | i have not heard much about this at ops midcycles | 15:44 |
| mriedem | ok, maybe just a solved problem for existing deployment tools like OSA | 15:45 |
| mrhillsman | i think the policy in code is good and expect most folks experience to be from keystone initially | 15:45 |
| mrhillsman | and expect someone to be a bit confused when they see this in glance vs what they experience in keystone (or other projects that have moved to policy in code) | 15:46 |
| mriedem | policy in code gets you a few things: docs, deprecations and aliases (like config options), and defaults in code, and easy eye ball diff of what you've overridden in the policy file on the system | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | when at rackspace policy as it is according to the link you pasted was a pain in the ass | 15:47 |
| mriedem | yup | 15:47 |
| mriedem | and likely a lot of it got out of date and wasn't even used | 15:47 |
| mriedem | but without a code audit you wouldn't know if you just removed/changed something if it had an effect | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | i think a consistent experience for something so fundamental is important to everyone (dev/ops/arch/end-user/etc) | 15:48 |
| mrhillsman | personally if i was looking at an environment and saw this i would probably shed a tear or two hehe | 15:49 |
| mriedem | ok that's feedback i'd expect | 15:51 |
| mriedem | thanks for confirming | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:51 |
| mnaser | policy code is amazing | 15:52 |
| mnaser | because hey | 15:52 |
| mnaser | you know that policy file? it's going to .rpmnew and your shit is hosed | 15:52 |
| mnaser | and no one knows anything more | 15:52 |
| mnaser | mriedem: ^ | 15:52 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 15:53 |
| mriedem | heh, sounds like a bug in your rpm spec | 15:56 |
| mriedem | %config ftw | 15:57 |
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