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| smcginnis | Hey. Meeting time mihalis68_, emccormick, spotz? | 14:02 |
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| spotz | I'm actually on time:) | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| emccormick | sorry, finalizing fire extinguishing | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry, they may have just blocked irccloud on our corporate network | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | in addition to real irc | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | That would be annoying. | 14:03 |
| * smcginnis thinks all ops folks should get firefighter helmets at the Summit. | 14:04 | |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 16 14:04:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't started today's meeting there yet | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| mihalis68_ | anyone have specific actions to report on | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | ? | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I had an action many weeks ago now to get the ops related forum topics submitted | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Not that I remember. | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | well it seems I misunderstood the tool as I typed them up but didn't finish submitting | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | thankfully they were "rescued" and will proceed | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | ops docs - smcginnis | 14:06 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: They were | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | ops meetups team catch-up - emccormick | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | ceph session - mihalis68_ | 14:06 |
| spotz | I do think there were some questions about the ceph one | 14:06 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Oh right. | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | jimmy emailed me | 14:07 |
| spotz | :) | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | I've started an ops doc Forum etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-Ops-Community-Docs | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | next step would be to make etherpads for those | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | beat me to it! | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, I will start the ceph one | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to start an etherpad for the ceph working session at berlin forum | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to do one for the ops meetups team catch-up | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | no other actions? | 14:08 |
| emccormick | will do | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it's not updated yet, but once it is we should add these etherpads to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Berlin2018 | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Or I suppose I could update that since Thierry is traveling right now. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | agreed | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | ooh... irccloud finally loaded. Mystery internet proxy slowness I guess | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | #action smcginnis to update the master etherpad list with links to the operators-related ones | 14:09 |
| spotz | I had really bad issues yesterday, 45 minutes to download fedora-atomic as part of a devstack install | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic Berlin forum | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin forum (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:10 | |
| emccormick | I think for the ops meetup team catchup I might add a snippet for the SIG discussion going on on the mailing list right now | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | Other than sessions that we are attending, there is the pressing issue of the operators social on the Tuesday | 14:10 |
| emccormick | I feel like some people just got a wild hair all of a sudden and are launching off on something with no idea what's already been done | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't followed this thread, will go and catch up after this meeting | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: That would be a good topic. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | can you maybe give a flavor of that? Is it a problem> | 14:11 |
| emccormick | re: Social, I am going to investigate a place near my hotel on Saturday. It has all the requisite things, but there's not a lot of internet review goodness. | 14:11 |
| emccormick | mainly 2 guys that had a bad night not getting drinks very quickly | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | ermagerd! | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:12 |
| spotz | emccormick: We have a Nitghtwatch tour we found, not sure if you want that for the ops meetup though | 14:12 |
| spotz | But we do plan on going on it one night:) | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | nightwatch tour.. related to the movie by Timur Bekmambetov? | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | (might be spelled wrong) | 14:13 |
| emccormick | was ist das? | 14:13 |
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| emccormick | ghost tour? | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | Oh, looks like Nightwatchman tour | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | not related to the movie | 14:14 |
| shintaro | hi sorry I'm late | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | no worries, thanks for joinin | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | g | 14:14 |
| spotz | Nightwatch Tours are the German ghost tours:) | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | we were just talking about the sessions that operators are doing in berlin | 14:15 |
| spotz | http://baerentouren.de/nachtwache_en.html | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | spotz: You've done ghost tours for the last several Summits now, haven't you? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis, emccormick, myself and emagana all have one | 14:15 |
| spotz | smcginnis: Yep:) | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | and please note for next time, the tool requires you to submit and then some additional final step to finalize. I missed the last bit and there was no reminder | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | and the most important session - tuesday night operators social | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | no venue yet but I think that night is now kind of locked in (already mentioned on the mailing list) | 14:16 |
| shintaro | there is one for deployment tool session | 14:16 |
| shintaro | which I will help moderate | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | right. I don't have the complete list, but the first three I submitted, and erik did edgar's | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | so it was related to past actions | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | is there anything else we need to work on for berlin? | 14:17 |
| emccormick | nothing else berliny for me | 14:18 |
| spotz | Maybe add to an etherpad a spot for who's coming? | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | someone asked where I'm staying. emccormick and I are both at "Adagio Berlin Kurfurstendamm" Lietzenburger Strasse 89a Berlin, 10719 DE 30-818-2580 | 14:19 |
| emccormick | spotz did you have specific plans for that tour? | 14:19 |
| spotz | emccormick: Not yet, it'll be open to OUI, WoO, D&I, OSA, and of course anyone else who wants to come but those are my usual places to get people:) | 14:20 |
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| emccormick | You thinking of doing Tuesday night? | 14:20 |
| spotz | No clue on night, unless we wanted to do it for the ops meetup | 14:21 |
| emccormick | I'm not opposed to rolling that in as the alternate activity and then adjourning to a beer garden or something after | 14:21 |
| emccormick | will ponder on it | 14:21 |
| spotz | Only issue with Tuedsay night is that'll be the mixer, so need to figure tour time into the equation | 14:22 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ You can move on to the next agenda item :) | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | at the risk of being a grouch, I like the social to be a low-bar-to-entry casual thing | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | like just "turn up say hi" thin | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | thing | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:22 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 14:22 |
| shintaro | agree | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | structured events with attendee lists etc are super hard to make work for a diffuse bunch at such a conference | 14:22 |
| spotz | Just make sure I still have my CC when I leave:( Didn't notice until the airport in Denver:( | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | there are operators out there none of us have met | 14:23 |
| spotz | Well folks have to commit and pay for the tour | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | spotz: CC? | 14:23 |
| spotz | smcginnis: credit card | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | credit card | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Ah | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Knew it couldn't be conceal & carry. :D | 14:23 |
| spotz | I do live in Texas:) | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | I mean, you are from Texas and all, but... | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | Hah@ | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I live in NYC, I'm packing nothing but my wit and extreme good looks | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | <crickets> | 14:24 |
| spotz | But yeah for the tour I try not to get stuck paying for everyone:) | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | not even a HAH! | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:24 |
| spotz | hehe | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I vote for the operators social and the ghost tour being kept separate, personally | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | That works for me. | 14:25 |
| emccormick | HAHA | 14:25 |
| emccormick | (nelson voice) | 14:26 |
| emccormick | one thing IRC lacks. No GIF comments | 14:26 |
| emccormick | fair enough. Separate it is | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | there's interesting debate about "to irc or not to irc" on the mailing list | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | 🤣 | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | 😮 | 14:27 |
| emccormick | There's a place called Billiards International that seems very much of a type we went to in Tokyo (Bagus) | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | it's ok, we know you're a lethal pool shark now | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | you can't fool us twice | 14:27 |
| emccormick | and a few other options. We shall see. Since we are unfunded, picking a location last minute isn't too complicated ;) | 14:27 |
| emccormick | hah | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | this is true, but I feel like a well publicized event fairly central could do that thing we claim to do which is pull in new members of the wider operators community | 14:28 |
| emccormick | yes yes. I'm not trying to make it difficult :) | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | if I might make a suggestion, you could take a couple of ideas to the mailing list and try and bring this debate to a wider group | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | I'm fine if we just declare that place with the slow drinks. Having a time and place set that people can just stop by if they can would be ideal. | 14:29 |
| emccormick | Just trying to get enough info not to commit to a complete dump because I didn't do my research | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I like billiards, or indeed ping-pong as the other thing to do besides just eating and drinking | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | unless there's a special berlin thing | 14:29 |
| emccormick | It has several things besides pool as well | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | for example brooklyn now has two places which feature axe-throwing | 14:30 |
| emccormick | :O | 14:30 |
| shintaro | axe-throwing!? | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | 🎱 | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://www.kickaxe.com | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | That could be fun. And dangerous. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | Oh I think it's well controlled | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | I think I actually saw that on a show. | 14:30 |
| emccormick | psh. If we were in New York I'd take everyone to McSorley's followed by Hogs and Heffers | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | think we have said enough on berlin | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | mcsorleys is fun once | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | I never went back | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | never tried the other place | 14:31 |
| emccormick | precisely | 14:31 |
| emccormick | Hogs and Heffers is the inspiration for Coyote Ugly | 14:31 |
| shintaro | axe thing looks fun :) | 14:31 |
| emccormick | They serve Wild Turkey and PBR. That's it | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | I think the NYC ones closed anyway | 14:32 |
| emccormick | ok, much digression. Apologies. Onward! | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | NYC is becoming homogenized | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic 2019 inter-summit meetups | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2019 inter-summit meetups (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:33 | |
| mihalis68_ | As far as I know my proposal to host in berlin is still on the list | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | bloomberg is doing a LOT more sponsoring than even two years ago | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | which is great, but I have to try harder to win the case | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | Yay Bloomberg! | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | and for example we sent a small army to grace hopper | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | Great to see them doing all this. I hope we can make it worth their while. | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | but I have private feedback that our little operation is viewed favorably - work focused non vendor open source related | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I was hoping to have a bit more progress to report either today or at least in berlin but can't expect that, unfortunately | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | it does help that we're still growing our openstack stuffs, obviously | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | the one difficulty is that cern's idea of when was may, which is uncomfortably close to denver | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | *to the denver summit, I mean | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess it's the same crew today as discussed this last week, so not much more to say | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | Based on that and feedback to this point, I think I would feel better sticking with the Bloomberg earlier event, then seeing if we can line up a CERN event later. | 14:37 |
| emccormick | I got the impression that wasn't anything required. Juts a thought | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | if we can make a proposal, we'll just have to submit and see if the community likes it | 14:37 |
| emccormick | Do we want to just do a proper CFP? | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | that's a good point | 14:37 |
| emccormick | Companies that would like to host in the EU in the February / March timeframe | 14:38 |
| emccormick | go fill out the template | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | If we're going to do that, should we also try to get proposals for an Aug/Sept event going with it? | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Overall 2019 event planning? | 14:38 |
| shintaro | good idea. | 14:39 |
| emccormick | I have no issue opening up both. | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | We could definitely share the goals of meetup #2 2019, which is that timeslot, in NA | 14:39 |
| emccormick | People can have more time to think about it | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | personally I find it hard to imagine actually making a proposal for next august any time soon | 14:39 |
| emccormick | I agree, but it doesn't hurt to open it up | 14:39 |
| emccormick | get people thinking about it. We just won't do any selection process until around the Denver summit | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | Could help to get people thinking about it. Then if someone really is motivated, it would be great if we could already have the late summer event location locked down so we can focus on theme and topics. | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | since I have hopes towards making an offer, I think I'd prefer if someone else did the CFP | 14:40 |
| spotz | Oh VW did update the UC yesterday on CERN, hold on let me check logs | 14:40 |
| spotz | VW_ | 14:41 |
| spotz | CERN had originally thought May, but aren't locked in completely to anything, so I will get everyone talking | 14:41 |
| emccormick | I can write up the CFP. Now where's that Etherpad template? | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | it's linked to or on the overall top level ops meetups team wiki page on openstack.org | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | Wow, some really out of date info on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | yes I noticed that this week | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | I mean to go and do some spring-cleaning | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | well, anyway, importantly #action emcormick to kick start a CFP for 2019 inter-summit meetups | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | (I'm trying not to say mid-cycle as they technically aren't any more) | 14:44 |
| emccormick | yeah it's bad | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | mid-summits | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel like a new name is required, something completely different | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | anyway, if we get 1 or 2 proposals before end of year, that will be fantastic | 14:46 |
| shintaro | Just say OpsMeetup since there won't be one during summits anymore. | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm determined to get more of the work done sooner next time | 14:46 |
| emccormick | ok, there's a billion things in here on our selection process (also needing updates) | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: ++ | 14:46 |
| emccormick | and still not finding that template | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick do you have wiki edit privilege | 14:47 |
| emccormick | yes | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | ok good | 14:47 |
| shintaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro yes I was kinda thinking that our brand is now just "Ops Meetup" as you say | 14:47 |
| shintaro | we have the logo for that already :) | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | no need for a qualifier like mid-cycle, inter-summit or whatever | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah right | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick do you want to freshen the wiki page? | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | *glances at the clock* oh my | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:50 | |
| emccormick | I will try to hack at it periodically | 14:50 |
| emccormick | some low-hanging fruit in there like the months we have the meetups ;) | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | oh no you've triggered my memory of a hilarious video on youtube | 14:50 |
| emccormick | used to be April / May | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw - funny if you get Eddie Izzard's humor | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | "I shall hack at your neck with a tray" | 14:51 |
| emccormick | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 14:51 |
| emccormick | well there's a filled out version at least | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah shintaro dug that out a minute ago | 14:52 |
| emccormick | oops missed it ;) | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | I will use the CFP as ammo to say "please get moving on this proposal" | 14:52 |
| emccormick | super | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | which is another reason why I don't want to write it | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | that youtube link is SFW except for perhaps an f-bomb here and there | 14:53 |
| emccormick | OK, I'll make a blank of that and ask that they ... | 14:54 |
| emccormick | a) put it in their own etherpad and send a link | 14:54 |
| emccormick | b) add it to one etherpad that's central | 14:54 |
| emccormick | which is better? I think in the past we've done b) | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | let's just make sure everyone present agrees that we will a) aim for independent ops meetups again b) feb/march and then aug/sep c) europe then NA ? | 14:54 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:55 |
| shintaro | +1 for all | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | the "merger" idea has been rendered moot by PTG moving back to summit-time | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis? spotz? | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 14:55 |
| spotz | Sounds good t me +1 | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | I think I'll announce this to the mailing list as a precursor to the CFP | 14:56 |
| emccormick | preference on one big etherpad with all submissions vs. one etherpad for each with a consolidator? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | I thought the one big was ok. Separate is maybe cleaner though | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | "dear operators, we're getting the band back together!" | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:56 |
| emccormick | <insert requisite Blues Brothers meme> | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick arrange as you see fit I think | 14:57 |
| emccormick | ok | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | as long as the submissions are on etherpads or wikis so that community can see them without so much as a google login | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | (again trying to not "self-deal" by running the submission process and submitting to it at the same time) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | we're out of time | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | last call | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | is everyone booked, btw? | 14:59 |
| emccormick | 100%. Finally | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | my last word is flights were hard to get even last week | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | yay | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | ok then thanks to all | 14:59 |
| shintaro | yes! | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 16 14:59:50 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-16-14.04.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-16-14.04.txt | 14:59 |
| shintaro | thank you all | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-16-14.04.log.html | 14:59 |
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| spotz | thanks all! | 15:02 |
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| emccormick | mihalis68_ I'm going to wait to send mine until you've sent yours | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | just sent it | 15:11 |
| emccormick | Ta | 15:11 |
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