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| emccormickva | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 2 14:02:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:02 |
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| mihalis68_ | I went to check the forum topics we submitted and I can't see any of them :| | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | Pretty concerned that something bad may have happened to them | 14:02 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:03 | |
| simon-AS559 | o/ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | My actions were to submit sessions for the Forum. I did it, but I don't see them | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | hi simon | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | welcome! | 14:03 |
| simon-AS559 | Hi all! | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | the other action I had was to follow-up with VW as to whether CERN might be interested in an ops meetup in Feb/March 2019 | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | mrhillsman was also going to do that he said | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll check with mrhillsman and if he didn't catch up with VW will follow-up this week | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to follow-up with VW on reaching out to CERN | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | any other updates on past actions? | 14:04 |
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| mihalis68_ | simon, you might be interested to know that Bloomberg (my employer) is assessing the possibility of hosting a meetup at our Frankfurt office, probably in march | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm actively discussing it with the people who can approve it | 14:05 |
| * smcginnis walks in late | 14:06 | |
| simon-AS559 | Cool, Frankfurt is easy to get to from about anywhere. | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | we have an auditorium there with room for nearly 100 | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | hi smcginnis | 14:06 |
| emccormickva | I submitted the one for Edgar | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | folks I had a scare earlier. I tried to find these sessions in the voting page and couldn't find any of them | 14:06 |
| emccormickva | You mean your own submissions page or the vote_for_sessions one? | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | We should be good on any submitted forum sessions. The last I checked, the number of submitted topics was *just* under the available time slots, so they should all be able to take place. | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | We still need to go through and check for overlap with the topics proposed, but they should all be good. | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I couldn't find the ones I submitted when looking at the voting page | 14:08 |
| emccormickva | I think Jimmy has to push them in there | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | ah ok | 14:08 |
| emccormickva | they don't automatically go there | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I submitted several | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | a ceph one, the ops meetups team one and the ops docs one | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I think moderators were me, emccormick and smcginnis respectively | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Sounds right. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | ok then I'll stop panicking | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Don't panic. :) | 14:09 |
| shintaro | you mean this page? #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/vote-for-speakers#/22842 | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | btw fully cleared to attend berlin and bring one of my team as of five minutes ago | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | yes that's the voting page | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | last time we went through this jimmy asked for some improvements to the sesions descriptions before they went public | 14:10 |
| shintaro | I don't see mihalis68's sessions there | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe that's what is going on now | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro, they may need to be pushed by jimmy still | 14:10 |
| shintaro | ah I see. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, seems that's it for actuons | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic berlin forum | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "berlin forum (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:11 | |
| mihalis68_ | has anyone booked lodging, if you're going? | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Just booked an AirBnB last night. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | if you have, and if you don't mind sharing location, I'll try and be near | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | From what I hear, none of the hotels are very close to the venue. | 14:11 |
| shintaro | not yet. | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | Not yet | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | I was thinking the Marriott | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | I"m feeling too lazy for an airbnb. | 14:12 |
| simon-AS559 | I'll be staying in Ku'Damm 101 along with a few colleagues - URL in etherpad | 14:12 |
| emccormickva | And I'm 4 nights from some status so why not | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | can't parse that last comment | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm glad to hear that the submissions are safe and likely to be approvd. I'd be embarrassed if nothing went through having told my boss I'm moderating | 14:14 |
| shintaro | I'm looking into "STEIGENBERGER BERLIN" which is not too expensive | 14:14 |
| emccormickva | Wow. That's cheap as chips | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | the timing is a little difficult, having to make spending decisions before seeing what I'm doing | 14:14 |
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| mihalis68_ | well... I'll book and confer over next few days | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | in the meanwhile, is there any obvious night to try for an operators social? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | I presume others want to? :) | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | That would be fun. | 14:16 |
| shintaro | I'm in | 14:16 |
| simon-AS559 | sure | 14:16 |
| emccormickva | Tuesday will no doubt be a marketplace mixer | 14:17 |
| emccormickva | That's not to say it can't happen right after | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | so given how these events always turn out, maybe tuesday or wednesday | 14:17 |
| emccormickva | usually those wrap up by 7:30 or 8 | 14:17 |
| simon-AS559 | Yes, Marketplace Mixer is listed on the schedule on Tuesday until 19:30 | 14:17 |
| simon-AS559 | So later on Tuesday evening should work. | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | That would work for me. | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | german beer and food? I had bratwurst and spaaten oktoberfest last saturday! | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | not very ambitious as a goal for Berlin, I'll admit | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | offtopic: we're gonna go into production next with openstack rocky | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | pretty excited | 14:19 |
| shintaro | Rocky! wow | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | well we are delayed going to prod on Queens because of hardware changes | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | Wow, that's not even a year old yet. :P | 14:19 |
| simon-AS559 | All the best for a smooth start! | 14:19 |
| emccormickva | sweet! | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | my test clutsers for our key app partners are actually built on virtualbox. It's a little sad | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah yeah, how can we be running it, it's not even dead yet! :) | 14:20 |
| emccormickva | I'm a coward. I just did an upgrade to Queens. Although I'm using Kolla for deployment and Rocky is still RC status I think | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | we're weeks away from entering "production" even for DEV workloads, so it's fine | 14:20 |
| emccormickva | Is anyone familiar enough with Berlin to pick a place for Ops to meet? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | also we have full vendor support | 14:20 |
| emccormickva | or should I just go full google-fu and see what comes up? | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | good question. Sorry for the offtopic | 14:21 |
| spotz | Sorry was in a work thing | 14:21 |
| emccormickva | I love off-topic | 14:21 |
| emccormickva | :D | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | i think the first question is what does the group feel like | 14:21 |
| spotz | Octoberfest is more Bavarian | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | a german beer hall is very obvious. If it had games/activities/anyotherthing besides just focusing on beer that would be more inclusive | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, also november is well past that season | 14:22 |
| emccormickva | well, googling entertainment near Berlin CityKube turns up ...interesting things | 14:22 |
| emccormickva | heh | 14:22 |
| spotz | https://www.visitberlin.de/en/restaurants-berlin | 14:22 |
| emccormickva | must refine search | 14:22 |
| simon-AS559 | The area around CityCube is not really suited for going out I'm afraid. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormickva to research venues for an operators social in berlin | 14:23 |
| simon-AS559 | On the other hand, the S-Bahn allows you to get to the more interesting parts of town quite easily and quickly. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I figure if you are already doing something, me hitting you with an action does not hurt! | 14:23 |
| emccormickva | z'aright, z'ok | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | simon is that the subway? | 14:23 |
| emccormickva | Ja | 14:24 |
| simon-AS559 | Not quite… U-Bahn = subway, S-Bahn = commuter train | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | ah ok, but public transport. Good. I'll give it a go | 14:24 |
| simon-AS559 | Both are fine, S-Bahn is better for longer distances. | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I went to Akihabara by myself in tokyo, so... | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | I'm guessing I will probably get some type of rail pass for the week to get around. | 14:24 |
| emccormickva | If it's anything like I used in Munich it's complex like NYC but not hard to actually use | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis can you give us a "sketch" of how the forum selection will go? Like will we know by next week? Two weeks? | 14:25 |
| emccormickva | mihalis68_ IF you navigated Tokyo trains, you can handle anywhere ;) | 14:25 |
| spotz | Everyone will need to get railpasses to get from hotels to summit | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I forget if they have a timetable for all that | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I actually need to check on that. Since there were more time slots than proposed topics, I think it's just a matter now of trying to come up with a sensible schedule for them. | 14:26 |
| spotz | The forum deadline was extended, selection hasn't started | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | I would expect it to be soon. | 14:26 |
| shintaro | I remember train in Berlin was quite easy | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I did narita to central tokyo a few years ago, but nearly messed up even with a colleague, but this year I did the more local commuter trains solo | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | We'll keep an eye on you mihalis68_ ;) | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | uh-oh! | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like a) interest in a social b) probably Tuesday night c) people will need to have transit passes anyway, so location does not need to be next door to the summit | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | fair? | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | Works for me. | 14:28 |
| emccormickva | yep | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to email the operators list mentioning an operators social is likely on the tuesday after the marketplace mixer | 14:28 |
| simon-AS559 | emccormickva: You could check the areas around the following S-Bahn stops: Savignyplatz, Zoologischer Garten, Friedrichstrasse, Hackescher Markt. All can be reached directly from CityCube (station "Messe Süd") | 14:28 |
| emccormickva | Danke | 14:29 |
| simon-AS559 | Gern geschehen! | 14:29 |
| emccormickva | Oo Lasertag. I can only imagine what that must be like in Germany | 14:29 |
| emccormickva | Loud as hell house music and extra fog machines no doubt :D | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm not currently favoring that as I've done something to my foot, but I do think ideas for non-drinkers to join and have fun are important | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | is there anything else we need to discuss for berlin right now? | 14:31 |
| spotz | Ok so won't invite mihalis68_ to the ghost tour if we find one | 14:31 |
| spotz | Did folks decide where to stay yet? | 14:31 |
| emccormickva | nothing else for me | 14:31 |
| emccormickva | spotz I was leaning Marriot, but then shitaro and Simon dropped a couple other names. | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | Oh i'd come, but I'd hobble | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic inter-summit meetups 2019 | 14:32 |
| spotz | emccormickva: I can't do the $250 a night at the marriot:( | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "inter-summit meetups 2019 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:32 | |
| mihalis68_ | I can report that the possibilitiy of us hosting something in feb/march in frankfurt remains open. I have some paperwork to do today to keep that moving | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | Frankfurt is a cheap flight for me, at least with what I see right now. | 14:34 |
| emccormickva | spots Simon's one was 90 euro | 14:34 |
| shintaro | Frankfurt is nice. we have a direct flight from Tokyo | 14:34 |
| emccormickva | https://www.kudamm101.com/en/ | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I was hoping mrhillsman would be here today as he said he'd talk to VW about reaching out to CERN | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | the cern mention is because there seemed to be a lot of interest in a dedicated research track for a european meetup | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | and as we know the topic track worked in Tokyo, right shintaro? | 14:35 |
| shintaro | yes. That will attract local attendees. | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | I really like that idea. | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, good. I'll push on that hard this week | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | It should have been last week but I was helping with the mother of all ceph cluster outages | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | already gave myself an action to make sure someone does reach out to cern | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | if I can get to the stage of pencilling an offer to host in frankfurt that may be a great time to breach the topic with them | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like all signs are still good for meetup #1 2019 | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | not to get ahead of ourselves, but where would #2 be? | 14:38 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: I'll try to remember to poke them both, or I'll hit up Tim | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | north america? | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | ah that would be great, thanks! | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Did we want to try anything with the Summit/PTG in Denver 2019? Or just skip that and plan for a separate later event? | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | that is a very good point. I'm skipping over a "slot" entirely | 14:39 |
| emccormickva | I think we decided to let the Forum act as the ops meetup kinda | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense emccormickva | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | what I can't comprehend, so far, is it will be a summit (with forum) and then PTG | 14:39 |
| emccormickva | Certainly willing to revisit if there are objections | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully folks will be there for the Forum, then be able to stick around for any PTG sessions of interest. | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't know if I can survive 6 days in a row | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | I think there are a lot of us that are wondering how those 6 days will go. | 14:40 |
| spotz | It'll be longer for those of us who do things like OI or board meetings:) | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | Might find more dev folks skipping at least the start of the Forum. | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:40 |
| emccormickva | My wife is loving the 3 day summit schedule. She would take my head off if I tried to stay for PTG too ;) | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel that event needs reinventing | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | throw away all structure | 14:41 |
| emccormickva | I'm coming for upstream institute in Berlin though | 14:41 |
| spotz | Nice emccormickva | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | I look at as an experiment. I'm hoping it will surprise me. :) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I do think the suggestion that operators should come to PTG is less compelling when PTG immediately follows Forum | 14:42 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I have to agree. | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | medberry unaffilliated... for a second my comprehension went unafilli...uncle phil? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry ignore me | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | ok so the next denver PTG reverts to being solely for the dev teams, you think? | 14:44 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:44 |
| emccormickva | That's what I'm thinking | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | or is day 1 SIGs, UC and whatnot? | 14:44 |
| emccormickva | it's much shorter. They're really going to need to focus on goals / plans / code | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | 3 day summit, 1 day summit/ptg overlap, final 2 days "pure PTG" | 14:45 |
| spotz | I dont think there's a schedule yet, I don't think the UC would object to meeting though | 14:45 |
| emccormickva | I didn't actually think there was an overlap | 14:45 |
| emccormickva | 3 day summit -> 3 day PTG | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, last I heard, back to back with no overlap. | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | that's true, what I was suggesting (not very clearly) is making ptg day 1 officially the only day with any expectation of overlap with non dev team folk | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I could see stretching for one day of PTG, but if I am doing the whole summit/forum I'm not going to take the suggestion that "operators should come to PTG" too seriously | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense. | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | or maybe I'm making it too complicated | 14:47 |
| spotz | And it can be harder for ops to be gone as long | 14:48 |
| shintaro | Forum will do the cross-project discussions | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we can see closer to the event how many people will be around and if there is a critical mass, plan to have some sort of day or half day thing. | 14:48 |
| spotz | +1 | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | OK, so putting aside the Summit for now, North America for Ops Meetup 2019 #2? | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | 3 days of summit, 1 day "big tent", 2 days PTG | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe big test is tarnished as an idea | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | We're not allowed to use that term anymore. :D | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | I withdraw that suggestion :P | 14:50 |
| emccormickva | +1 to north america for fall meetup | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | I think it's due by then | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | how about erik's house? | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | hee hee | 14:50 |
| shintaro | +1 to NA | 14:51 |
| emccormickva | Suuuure. My kids can make you all "coffee" (which is dirt from the flower beds in a plastic cup) | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | Bloomberg does a lot already, so not putting it on them, but should we target New York general area? | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to update our main wiki page with the expected regions for inter-summits in 2019 | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm glad you said that, because I wanted to, but it seemed excessively self-serving and parochial | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | EVEN FOR ME | 14:52 |
| emccormickva | IF we did Cern for the Euro one, that would free up bloomberg to do something in NY maybe | 14:52 |
| simon-AS559 | We could ask Jon Proulx whether they have space in his fancy office building in Cambridge MA (MIT CSAIL) | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Otherwise, a lot of interest in CA or even parts of Canada. But east coast does seem to have enough interest. | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | Cambridge would work well too. | 14:53 |
| emccormickva | I'm always down for Boston. | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | so far I don't think we have any indication that cern could or would want to actually host | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | it's more like if it were at cern, everybody and their brother would come | 14:53 |
| simon-AS559 | …but that may be because we haven't asked them (CERN) yet? | 14:53 |
| emccormickva | No am just saying if some other euro thing came in then Bloomberg could do the US one | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | very true. As I said VW said he'd reach out | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | ye[ | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | *yep | 14:54 |
| simon-AS559 | cool | 14:54 |
| emccormickva | also someone (Simon?) mentioned Vexxhost as another possible candidate over there, so seems there are quite some possibilities. | 14:54 |
| emccormickva | All of which I am in favor of ;) | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure we could ask mnaser nicely. | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | emmccormickva never saw a meetup he didn't like the sound of | 14:55 |
| emccormickva | :D | 14:55 |
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| mihalis68_ | we have five minutes left | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | hi jimmy | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:55 |
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| simon-AS559 | Sorry, addition/correction to the above: | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | I've just remembered that there's still some work left on the etherpad from the last PTG, I'll get back to that ASAP | 14:56 |
| simon-AS559 | Vexxhost is based in Montréal (CA) so more for the NA meeting I guess. | 14:56 |
| simon-AS559 | The one I had thought about was OVH, who are based in (Northern) France. | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | oh that's funny, I thought they were europe! | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | aha. yes | 14:56 |
| simon-AS559 | Well they may SPEAK european :-) | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks for clarifying | 14:56 |
| emccormickva | Ooohh ok. I mixed up my FrancoClouds | 14:57 |
| emccormickva | OVH is also in Quebec | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68_ | I think these things always do well when we lock in a good host early | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | whether bloomberg or a big european operator, i don't mind. Just the knowledge of a suitable space makes planning start working | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Agree | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | and with that, pretty much out of time | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks very much everyone | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | appreciate everyone's tiem | 14:59 |
| simon-AS559 | See you! | 14:59 |
| shintaro | thank you all! | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| emccormickva | Thanks all. | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 2 15:00:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-02-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-02-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-02-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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