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| mihalis68_ | ping emccormick | 13:59 |
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| mihalis68_ | ping smcginnis | 13:59 |
| smcginnis | Hey mihalis68_ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm tidying up the google doc a bit | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | the one glaring defect is the ceph session overlaps upgrade sig | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | Maybe that's OK? | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | erik was of the opinion we shouldn't overlap, but it seems like a big chunk to block out to me still | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | there's a few moderators to find also | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I can't quite tell who proposed unified limits, for example | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | That's still being worked on I thought. I can check with Lance from the keystone team that's done a lot there. | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah I just saw email about it from him | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Might be too early to have a useful discussion on that. Unless they are looking for early input to be able to course correct on anything. | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I could put ceph in that slot then, since that seems more definitely useful and I could moderate that if Simon Leinen can;t | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | That sounds like a good plan to me. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | are you ok moderating operator docs, Monday morning second session> | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | ? | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that should be good. | 14:10 |
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| smcginnis | I don't have the link handy. That's after the git/gerrit stuff, right? | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | YES | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | yes | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | also https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=981527336 | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Perfect - thanks! | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | one question: I copied over the template including "breakfast" for the start of the day. Do you know if PTG has breakfast? | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't want to imply food that's not going to turn up :) | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | that would be like the biggest possible crime as an organiser! | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | Indeed! | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I have a feeling it's much more BYOB | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | ping spotz | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | Amy might know | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | heck you've been to PTG before... | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | any idea> | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | I know there will be coffee, but I can't recall if there were any snack kind of things. | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | ? | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Definitely not what I would categorize as breakfast if there is food. | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Maybe change to Registration & Coffee to be safe. | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | done | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | I've described the slots on the monday afternoon which overlap with upgrades sig as (room available) since of course operators could adhoc sessions in there if they prefer instead of upgrade sig | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | Good idea. | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I pinged erik on signal in case I can get his attention | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I've put my name down to moderate wrap-up day 1, running old openstack (day 2) and feedback (day 2) and also backup ceph moderators. I'd like to shed one of those. It's not my event! :) | 14:19 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: here! | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | we had "breakfast" down for the beginning of each day, but that's not true, right? just coffee> | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | ? | 14:20 |
| spotz | OpenStack Summit doesn't really do breakfast. Let's ping an expert though:) kendallwaters | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | also I wrote that you're confirmed to moderate git/gerrit/osops right? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | Humph | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | ops meetups had pretty good spreads | 14:20 |
| spotz | Yeah I'll run a quick git and gerrit lunch and learn | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | can't be that operators eat more than developers can it? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | :) | 14:20 |
| emcco__ | hey guys. Sorry for the lateness | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | we updated the first session to only mention coffee | 14:21 |
| spotz | Open Source summit had breakfast no lunch but nothing I could eat:( And no ops never get more then dev:( | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | can you cast your eye over https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=981527336 and yell out mistakes to me plz | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | I wonder if I could get a large dunkin order on Bloomberg for day 1 | 14:22 |
| emcco__ | oh hey it changed my name | 14:22 |
| emcco__ | how interesting that it even let me stay on here | 14:22 |
| spotz | you might have this one registered too | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | you can do slash nick nickname and that works (for me), but at least via this client that changes how I try to auth and basically next time I can't get in | 14:23 |
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| emccormick | ah | 14:23 |
| emccormick | there we go | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | yah I picked up a trailing _ also but I'm letting it go | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | can you see the google doc? | 14:24 |
| emccormick | pulling it up now | 14:24 |
| spotz | yep | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | another change, erik, we moved unified limits to be listed with ? and alongside upgrade sig. This gets ceph into a better slot and it's because smcginnis thinks it's too soon to talk about that with ops | 14:25 |
| spotz | there was a post on the dev list today about unified limits, seems not many folks working on it FYI | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah saw it | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | even if I assume it's the best thing ever, does seem premature for ops to discuss, unless it's just "tell us of your pain when nova compute quota gets out of whack", but I think that's well known | 14:26 |
| emccormick | too soon I agree | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | erik can you review the slots you're listed as moderating (on the right, may have to scroll sideways) | 14:28 |
| emccormick | so then that opens us up for upgrades | 14:28 |
| emccormick | I don't really know anything about running OS on Kube | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | ok I removed unified limits | 14:28 |
| emccormick | and that's kinda overly specific I think | 14:29 |
| emccormick | Can we make that generically containers? | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | yes absolutely. Have at it. I don't DO containers so far :| I am the last person to be devising that bit | 14:29 |
| emccormick | make them both that way. Kube can be included | 14:29 |
| emccormick | s/k8s/containers/g | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | If there's something unique about running containers on k8s, then that's good to discuss. But I don't believe there really is from my limited experience. | 14:30 |
| emccormick | other than that I would swap the 11:40 and 13:40 | 14:30 |
| emccormick | long slot for me *heh* | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | ok I made k8s containers | 14:31 |
| emccormick | Definitely no rstarmer | 14:31 |
| emccormick | switch up OS on containers and Containers on OS | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | done | 14:32 |
| emccormick | the OS on containers is relevant to to the Should we Do it or Not discussion | 14:32 |
| emccormick | super | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | I am wondering if we should really split over lunch | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | 11-12.30 is whether to containerize and then OS on containers. Could we make it 3 30 minute slots? | 14:33 |
| emccormick | All of that noise will be a great segue to the upgrade discussions | 14:33 |
| emccormick | yeah sure | 14:33 |
| emccormick | Less time for me to be stuck in charge ;) | 14:34 |
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| smcginnis | Hah | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | done | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | please review | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | Now we have a hole after lunch | 14:35 |
| emccormick | looks good to me | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | not the worst thing ever. We could pull wrap-up forward (since we effectively adjourn and all go to upgrade sig ) | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | move running old openstack forward one slot, pull "wrap-up" forward from end-of-day and basically finish the scheduled operators stuff at that point? | 14:37 |
| emccormick | sounds like a winning plan | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | Let's see how the day goes and make a call if we should do our wrap up earlier, but you may be right. | 14:37 |
| emccormick | The way we're doing it this time, this can all flex anyway | 14:38 |
| emccormick | tangents are totally ok ;) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | ok updated it | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | I only wonder if we might have a desire to regroup after the upgrade stuff if there's anything more we want to quick discuss. But I suppose that could be separate and after any wrap-up talk. | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:39 |
| spotz | All the UC who are there will be at the UC sessions | 14:39 |
| emccormick | We are also going to go for beer then, so we could start that early ;) | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | that reminds me, does "feedback with UC" session on tuesday look like a good slot? | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | spotz: But they'll come over for the Feedback with UC sesion, right? | 14:40 |
| spotz | That's what I meant:) | 14:40 |
| emccormick | Oh, on that topic, I have not called the place yet but received positive review from a local on Wynkoop | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. | 14:40 |
| spotz | We put our stuff on Wednesday so that if any ops were still around and wanted to join they could | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm there all week and no plans at all Wed-Frid :| | 14:40 |
| emccormick | so as far as I'm concerned we plan on doing that | 14:40 |
| spotz | Sounds good emccormick | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I'm sure you'll find something to keep busy. ;) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I promised to mail the mailing list with the schedule and mentioning wynkoop | 14:41 |
| spotz | I'm still trying to decide train or uber from.to airport | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | I did uber/lyft last time. Quick and easy. | 14:41 |
| emccormick | kendallwaters https://www.wynkoop.com/ That place after the ops meetup ends. Say..7pm since it's a cab ride away | 14:41 |
| emccormick | since she wanted to send it out in email. :) | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | Totally unrelated, but since a lot of you use ceph, just want to make sure you've seen this - https://ceph.com/cephdays/ceph-day-berlin/ | 14:42 |
| emccormick | I'm going to call and see if maybe they can block us off an area for 30 people or so without committing cash. It's a Monday, so maybe | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | Ooh, sean that ceph day abuts openstack summit! | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | i.e. is just before, I think | 14:43 |
| emccormick | Oh super | 14:43 |
| emccormick | right before the summit | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | yay | 14:43 |
| emccormick | Run by Mike Perez no less ;) | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | Yep, day before the Summit officially starts. | 14:44 |
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| mihalis68_ | yeah mike has been in touch to see if Bloomberg might be able to host a ceph day in NYC | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | good to see him back in action | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | and talking of ceph one of our object stores is grumpy now | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | 5192 pgs stuck unclean | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | Ye Gods | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Get out your scrub brush. | 14:45 |
| emccormick | ew | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | it add 700M objects since aug 15th | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | I so scare | 14:45 |
| emccormick | Call the exorcist | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | so yeah... how is the schedule folks? If you think it's "presentable" I'll make a PDF and send it to the list and see if I can confirm the moderators | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Looks good to me. | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | and I will mention the rough consensus towards wynkoop, and that it's not sponsored currently | 14:46 |
| emccormick | cool | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for getting that together mihalis68_ | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd say "my pleasure" except I'm like the least adept google docs guy and it causes actual physical pain | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe there are better tools | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | (google docs spreadsheets specifically) | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | There will always be pain. :D | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | but yeah this coming together, I'm excited | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | erik any final suggestions? | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | spotz same Q.? | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry I'm mixing and matching first names and nicknames | 14:49 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: heheh | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | look good enough to show the huddled masses? | 14:50 |
| emccormick | oh hey yes go for it | 14:50 |
| spotz | Yep | 14:50 |
| emccormick | I think its good as is | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | alright. Thanks for being here and providing feedback. It feels insane otherwise, just throwing words up and somehow thinking people will travel to denver and follow it | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention. I am not going to put etherpad links in the google doc. I'm going to make a master etherpads ... etherpad | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | because etherpad is more universally available | 14:51 |
| emccormick | makes sense | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | (I cannot touch this google doc from my corporate desktop, for example) | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll put the link to the master in this google doc, then make the pdf and then share with list | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Sounds good. That's often how the other PTG groups handle it. | 14:52 |
| emccormick | spiffy | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, ok good. Think we're done here for now | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | thx again | 14:52 |
| emccormick | oh, and smcginnis I found my problem with Cinder which was fixable with an update | 14:53 |
| emccormick | gotta love hitting a 3 year old bug | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Yeah? That's great it was fixed at least. | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Too bad you had to hit it in the first place though. | 14:54 |
| emccormick | I don't often run openstack updates unless I have a reason | 14:55 |
| emccormick | I'm of the "if it ain't broke" mentality | 14:55 |
| emccormick | so I had ignored a backport | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Probably a safe policy to have. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | In most cases at least. | 14:55 |
| emccormick | This only got triggered under very specific and rare conditions. I just happened to get unlucky | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | You don't happen to have the patch link handy yet, do you? I'm just curious, so no big deal. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Always good to know if someone else comes along with a similar issue to have it somewhere in the back of your mind. | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | am I insane? I thought we had a link to an ops meetup etherpad on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Queens/Etherpads | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Do you mean https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Stein/Etherpads | 14:58 |
| emccormick | It's somewhere in these 5000 browser tabs. I'll fire it over to you if I find it ;) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | ah yes. So, not insane, just unable to keep my denvers and OS releases straight :) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks Sean! | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Or are you thinking here? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | what sean linked | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Stop living in the past man!! :) | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | hey we run mitaka | 14:59 |
| emccormick | I have this relic around still for a couple of edge cases. | 15:00 |
| emccormick | Everything else is Pike, and about to be Queens | 15:00 |
| emccormick | and when I get home from PTG, maybe to Rocky if I get adventurous | 15:00 |
| emccormick | This Mitaka will live for a while tho | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | we have a lot running now | 15:01 |
| emccormick | Just built the Queens containers yesterday. took 2 hours *heh* | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | our new build will be Queens or later, but getting the apps to move will be a long process | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | ah containers... maybe one day | 15:02 |
| emccormick | I did an Ocata->Pike upgrade with Kolla and it went fairly well. | 15:03 |
| emccormick | doing a Pike->Queens soon. We'll see | 15:03 |
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| emccormick | ok, off to fight other fires. Ping me on Signal if you need anything | 15:04 |
| mihalis68_ | will do, thanks again | 15:06 |
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| kendallwaters | emccormick: sorry i missed this meeting (forgot to put it on my calendar). saw your message about the ops evening event. i'll add to my email that i'm about to send to all registered PTG attendees! :) | 15:24 |
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| emccormick | kendallwaters: Thanks! :). See you in Denver. | 15:28 |
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| spotz | Thanks kendallwaters! | 15:45 |
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| smcginnis | I got confirmation if we want to reserve rooms via the PTGbot, we can do that now without it getting cleared out before the event starts. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | So if we need to reserve any of the reservable rooms for Wed-Fri or something, that can be done now. | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | hey guess what everyone, grenade is currently running queens -> master and skipping rocky, | 19:10 |
| mriedem | you know what that means, | 19:10 |
| mriedem | skip-level upgrade mission accomplished | 19:10 |
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| mriedem | gonna want ops to read this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/134395.html | 20:59 |
| mriedem | mnaser: ^ | 20:59 |
| mnaser | mriedem: you know a second that just came up reading that is that | 21:00 |
| mnaser | most deployment tools might not even report that failure | 21:00 |
| mnaser | so beyond grenade everything else will look ok until users upgrade and stuff breaks | 21:00 |
| mnaser | because the db is empty anyways when the service is first started | 21:00 |
| mnaser | i'll wait before biting | 21:01 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:02 |
| mriedem | grenade has a thing where it stores off some data from the rocky side, and verifies it's still on the stein side, | 21:03 |
| mriedem | dansmith added that last week | 21:03 |
| mriedem | so that's how we know in grenade if we f'ed up | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | i would expect any other deployment project that is supporting upgrades and actually testing them to do something similar | 21:03 |
| dansmith | any other tool will have to handle this upgrade | 21:07 |
| dansmith | it's not going to be as easy as some other things | 21:07 |
| dansmith | usually we'd hope to do some post-upgrade sideways movement with a separate outage window, | 21:07 |
| dansmith | but that's not going to be a thing here, | 21:07 |
| dansmith | so we'll need the tooling to know about this being a thing | 21:07 |
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