Tuesday, 2018-08-14

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mihalis68ping spotz13:54
mihalis68ping emccormick13:54
mihalis68ping med_13:54
mihalis68ping smcginnis13:54
mihalis68ping mrhillsman13:54
smcginniso/13:54
smcginnismihalis68: Look at you being all IRC savvy.13:55
mihalis68pfft13:55
mihalis68I had to work out how to connect here AGAIN just now13:55
mihalis68apparently I'm still not configured stably13:55
jamesmcarthurgood day13:59
smcginnisMorning jamesmcarthur14:00
kendallwatersHello everyone!14:00
mihalis68#startmeeting ops-meetup-team14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 14 14:00:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:00
mihalis68hi everyone14:01
jamesmcarthuro/14:01
mihalis68#topic actions14:01
mihalis68I had various actions to pursue sponsorship for the PTG14:01
spotzMorning14:01
mihalis68I'm happy to say I have approval to pick up the main ops meetups days sponsorship item14:01
mihalis68I don't think we've got the paperwork done yet, but we're working on it14:01
smcginnisAwesome!14:01
spotzWoot!14:02
mihalis68I would have moved on it yesterday, but believe it or not there was a ceiling leak here at the office directly over my desk! :)14:02
mihalis68I also was supposed to get things moving on topic selection14:02
emccormicko/14:02
mihalis68I didn't make any progress there14:02
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-ptg-denver-201814:03
mihalis68I made the etherpad but it's a bit ... svelte ... so far14:03
jamesmcarthurawesome news on the sponsorship mihalis68!14:03
jamesmcarthurthanks to you and Bloomberg!14:03
mihalis68yeah, I'm pleased. Now we just need to fill out those two days14:03
kendallwatersYes, thank you! We truly appreciate y’all’s support!14:04
mihalis68I'll email the operators mailing list today asking for topic suggestions14:04
mihalis68#action mihalis68 mail the operators the etherpad link to get topic suggestions for PTG14:04
mihalis68what other actions did people have? (we work on the honor system :)14:04
emccormickThat's pretty much it I think14:05
smcginniskendallwaters: Can you give an update on room layout, etc?14:05
mihalis68btw please update the attendees list on the agenda etherpad as usual14:06
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:06
spotzOh and ideas where to go14:06
spotzOut as a group14:06
spotzMonday night or14:06
spotzMaybe14:06
kendallwatersSure! The room will be set up as a hollow square with a screen and projector. The prefunction will have 2 rounds of 10 with a flip chart.14:06
spotzOrder in?damn enter!:)14:07
mihalis68guess we've moved to #topic OS PTG Denver14:07
spotzHehe14:08
smcginnismihalis68, emccormick - Does the layout kendallwaters describes sound good. Kind of based on suggestions from me based on past events.14:08
emccormickLayout sounds spiffy to me. Thanks!14:08
mihalis68I think so. Anything that breaks the implicit appearance of a presentation is good14:08
mihalis68after Tokyo14:08
smcginnisAgreed!14:08
emccormick:D14:08
mihalis68anyone want to take on evening 1 social secretary role?14:09
mihalis68One thing we've done well for a couple is to have an event that has a fun element unrelated to alcohol or whatnot14:09
mihalis68ping-pong, pool etc14:10
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emccormickSadly I'm more familiar with Tokyo than Denver ;)14:10
spotzI think I already have:)14:10
smcginnisAre we thinking a sponsored outing? Or just a casual "hey, show up here and hangout" kind of thing?14:10
shintarohi14:10
mihalis68hi shintaro, we're discussing the day 1 ops social14:10
emccormickI can at least ask around. I have a friend out there that might have some clue on place14:11
shintarohi mihalis6814:11
mihalis68spotz would you like to propose a venue?14:11
emccormickI think it'd probably have to be a "show up" sort of thing unless Bloomberg was picking that up as well ;)14:11
jamesmcarthurRe: non-alcoholic events, I know there is a game night planned one evening for all PTG attendees.14:12
emccormickor there's some pot of foundation gold I don't know about14:12
spotzmihalis68: I can google about and also see where folks went last time14:12
emccormickdoesn't have to be alcohol free14:12
emccormickjust something to it besides alcohol14:12
jamesmcarthurkendallwaters: can probably fill you in on other planned activities14:12
mihalis68no, just allowing people who don't drink to feel welcomed and be able to have fun14:12
emccormickwe did a place kind of dave and busters like in Tokyo14:12
jamesmcarthuremccormick: yes - alcohol-optional would have been a better way to say it :)14:13
smcginnisAlcohol optional, but last time I went to Casey's Bistro and Pub and to Anthony's Pizza & Pasta.14:13
spotzmihalis68: Yep that's the goal. An area where non-drinkers can feel comfortable14:13
smcginnisBoth are close enough to the venue to walk to.14:13
emccormickthere ya go jamesmcarthur!14:13
spotzsmcginnis: I'll check those out14:13
mihalis68I guess we need to find out whether the game night is day 1 of PTF14:13
mihalis68PTG14:14
kendallwatersGame night will be Thursday14:14
kendallwatersTrivia night on Wednesday14:14
kendallwatersAnd official PTG happy hour on Tuesday14:14
spotzWhat kendallwaters said:) That's why we proposed Monday14:14
spotzSunday is also an option but figured Monday might be better14:15
mihalis68ok so we could squeeze in an operators focused event on the Monday14:15
mihalis68let's see if we have a favorite by next meeting14:15
spotzNot sure where folks will squeeze in project dinners14:15
shintaroMonday would be good after a day of discussion14:15
spotzI'll check menus for diversity of food and proximity:)14:15
mihalis68shintaro I also mentioned that the planning etherpad for ops at PTG is very thin so far, I'm going to try and drum up interest on the mailing list14:16
mihalis68foundation folk are you looking for further sponsors? I think you had two levels in mind and Bloomberg took two14:17
spotzAnd if you are interested in the SUSe troubleshooting talk should probably let them know as soon as you can. I can do mine with short notice14:17
mihalis68took one of two14:17
shintaroOK I will check and see if I can add some and try to promote to past ops members14:17
shintaroI will also upda the wiki.14:18
mihalis68I think the remaining sponsorship packages was this:14:19
mihalis68Ops Meetup Coffee Sponsor - USD $2,00014:19
mihalis68- Logo on signage near coffee outside Ops Meetup room14:19
mihalis68- Logo on PTG website14:19
mihalis68- Thank you shoutout in the attendee email blast prior to the event14:19
mihalis68specific to the ops meetups days14:19
jamesmcarthurmihalis68: I'll let kendallwaters: answer that14:19
jamesmcarthurI think the answer is usually, we could always use more sponsors.14:20
jamesmcarthurIf you have anyone in mind, please send them Kendall's way :)14:20
kendallwatersYes, we can definitely use sponsors.14:20
mihalis68I'll ping a couple of people I know who were interested when the next ops meetup was going to be in NYC, in case they'd like to sponsor a bit of it at PTG14:21
mihalis68#action mihalis68 ping further potential ops meetups sponsors14:21
kendallwatersThat would be great. Thanks!14:21
mihalis68anything else we need to go over for Denver?14:21
mihalis68#topic openstack summit, Berlin14:22
smcginnisOnce we have topics, I think we're in great shape.14:22
mihalis68is it too early to start thinking about ops meetup in Berlin?14:22
spotzmihalis68: I just made a sponsorship ping, we'll see14:23
spotzmihalis68: Nope already planning stuff for other groups:)14:23
smcginnisGood time to start people thinking about Berlin. It will be here before we know it.14:23
mihalis68yeah I agree14:23
emccormickNever to early to dream about beer and forum sessions14:23
smcginnisIt is the Stein release after all.14:24
emccormickthere's going to be a forum still, right?14:24
smcginnisYep, as far as I know.14:24
mihalis68good question. I haven't taken a moment to grok that event14:24
spotzCan I have something besides beer in mystein?:)14:24
emccormickProst!14:24
spotzYeah there should still be a forum in Berlin14:24
spotzAnd schedule went up today!14:25
emccormickSaw that. Very awesome.14:25
mihalis68One important question that just occurred to me : Tokyo produced nice ops specific t-shirts14:25
jamesmcarthurThere will be a forum.14:25
mihalis68and we have the dedicated ops logo now14:25
emccormickI think many of the Denver things will inspire those session, especially since they're so close this year14:25
spotzWe need t-shirts:)14:25
mihalis68are we going to have t-shirts from Denver? I'm guessing no14:26
emccormickwe'll come out with a list of stuff we didn't get to ad add them on14:26
jamesmcarthurmihalis68: so far, we haven't done PTG t-shirts14:26
spotzWe would probably need another sponsor14:26
jamesmcarthuri don't think there is any plan to thus far14:26
jamesmcarthurfor denver14:26
kendallwatersUnfortunately, we don’t have it in the budget to do shirts14:27
mihalis68are there PTG shirts?14:27
kendallwatersNo, there are not PTG shirts14:28
mihalis68Hmm, that's a shame14:29
mihalis68Shirts are the only reason to go /kidding14:29
jamesmcarthurThere's a really cool Grateful Dead cover bar that has good shirts.14:29
mihalis68maybe something can be done if we kick up a lot of interest in the event14:29
mihalis68the key point about event t-shirts is the exclusivity. Anyway, nothing to be done about it just yet, we still need to make a useful agenda and get the attendance up14:30
kendallwatersWe unfortunately just don’t have the money to produce shirts.14:30
mihalis68understood. I'm just daydreaming about perhaps a sponsor wanting to step in14:31
emccormickGet med_ to go bleed Red Hat for a few more $$ ;). He's a very convincing sort14:32
spotzhehe14:33
mihalis68someone remind me: for forum I think we submit topic ideas into the unified submission system right? We don't just make up an etherpad and do it ourselves?14:33
emccormicketherpad first14:33
emccormicketherpad feeds scheduling system thing14:33
smcginnisUsually teams brainstorm in etherpads, then submit the topic ideas for formal selection.14:33
emccormickor rather I copy them in generally :P14:34
mihalis68ok so someone start that etherpad?14:34
emccormickbasically it takes the place of what we did with the Google sheet14:34
emccormicko/14:34
mihalis68#action emccormick to start planning for berlin with YAEP14:34
mihalis68yet another etherpad14:34
emccormick*snort*14:35
emccormickhere we go again *heh*14:35
spotzSo yeah groups figure out a few top ones, then they go into the form, then a programming group looks them over and decides on them and last foundation puts them in some order that ends up changing some:)14:35
mihalis68seems like we're nearly done here. I did put a topic up for IRC troubles14:35
mihalis68it was hard for me to get back here because of the new nickname registration requirements14:36
emccormickWe did slightly better last time at checking across teams. I can't say it was efficient but it yielded a couple ops <-> project coordinated sessions14:36
emccormickmihalis68 Sounds like most of your problem was your dirty IP block14:36
mihalis68it turns out that that PLUS blacklisting of some networks made it a chicken and egg problem for me. Hopefully if someone didn't make it here, they'll check the mailing list or the agenda etherpad and follow the breadcrumbs14:36
emccormickIt took me an hour to get the verification email though.14:36
emccormickthat wasn't particularly awesome.14:37
mihalis68my "dirty ip block" is AT&T Mobile14:37
mihalis68just for the record14:37
emccormickDirty dirty AT&T14:37
mihalis68maybe everyone else is more IRC savvy14:37
mihalis68would not be hard14:37
mihalis68#topic any other business14:38
emccormickI am pretty IRC-ignorant and it wasn't easy. Not sure of a better way to deal with it though sadly14:38
spotzKinda hoping if we stay locked up a bit longer folks will give up and we can go back to normal14:39
emccormickThere was talk of changing platform, but between nobody having time to set up a new thing, and the non-opensource alternatives not being opensource...14:39
emccormickNobody wanted to budge off IRC14:39
mihalis68Do we think we've lost anyone on the team because of this? Hard to believe VW or mrhillsman would be AWOL just because of that14:39
mihalis68oh I think IRC is absolutely right14:39
spotzMelvin is in China, VW I think is just busy with the new gig14:39
mihalis68remember how awful it was when mexico city ops meetup was being planned in a private slack?14:39
spotzSo you get me instead14:40
mihalis68good to hear14:40
emccormickmrhillsman is on here but idle14:40
smcginnisHe's hopefully asleep right now.14:40
mihalis68I just feel a bit nervous that the speedbumps are high right now14:40
spotzI think he said it was 2am during the UC meeting yesterday14:40
spotzAnd speaking of the UC.... if anyone would like to run noms close on Friday!14:41
mihalis68I'll tweet something about, and I already pinged the mailing list once about it (which revealed a) blacklisting and b) not everyone aware of a) )14:41
shintaroIRC is good enough for me.14:41
mihalis68you said noms14:41
smcginnisspotz: How's the candidate list looking?14:41
mihalis68now I'm hungry14:41
smcginnismihalis68: :D14:41
emccormickI would love to, but barely have time for these meetings anymore :(14:41
spotzsmcginnis: VW is our only official, I know of one person getting his nom ready14:41
mihalis68admissions: I don't really know what it is14:41
emccormickWhen I quit my job and go work for Red Hat like everyone else, I'm all for doing it.14:41
spotzAnd Saverio isn't running but hasn't mailed about it just said in channel14:42
smcginnisnom - nomination14:42
mihalis68yeah nom is nomination, UC is user committee14:42
mihalis68but what THAT is, I couldn't really tell you14:42
smcginnisAh! :D14:42
mihalis68ok, we seem to be done. Final call for topics14:43
smcginnisUser Committee is the user side equivalent of the Technical Committee.14:43
smcginnisBut always seemed to me they should be more involved in things like the ops meetups.14:43
spotzSo mrhillman, VW, myself, Leong and Saverio. And we represent the users and operators!14:43
smcginnisMaybe you should put your name in mihalis6814:43
mihalis68final request to update attendees list on agenda etherpad14:43
mihalis68would I get to say " I fight for the users"?14:44
mihalis68Ok thanks everyone14:44
mihalis68#endmeeting14:44
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mihalis68(a good meeting chair ALWAYS gives the time back asap)14:45
spotzThanks mihalis68!14:45
emccormickThanks mihalis6814:45
shintarothank you14:45
spotzmihalis68: And yes you get to say you fight for the users!14:45
mihalis68then I'll consider it14:45
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yankcrimeas an operator, i want to fight the users14:46
yankcrimenot have someone fighting me on _their_ side!14:46
yankcrime(i jest, obvs)14:46
mihalis68I was only asking about it for the Tron reference, nothing more serious14:47
yankcrimewent over my head, been too long since i've seen that film14:47
* yankcrime scrabbles around for his geek card so he can hand it in14:48
yankcrimeand just to think, i was chiding two co-workers last week about the fact that they haven't seen wargames14:48
yankcrimeand also that they didn't recognise the gif from http://butt.holdings14:48
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spotzmihalis68 smcginnis jamesmcarthur I can say one thing for certain... We will NOT be having the OPS meetup dinner at Famous Dave's Bar-B-Que!19:14
mihalis68closed? Booked?19:15
spotzmihalis68:  FAKE bbq!19:16
spotzlooks like the places Sean mentioned are the closest non-fastfood chains, they're about 3-4 blocks19:17
spotzThis one looks interesting - http://www.theberkshirerestaurant.com/our-menu/dinner/19:20
spotzThe pub has a pretty good mix too19:22
spotzOr the pizza place, they have cauliflower crust:)19:25
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mihalis68ghost broccoli?19:27
smcginnisspotz: Is that Texan BBQ snobbery I see? :)19:29
spotzsmcginnis: Why yes.. yes it is! Come visit I taqke you for real BBQ, though we did have Terry Black's at the Austin Summit on Rainey street19:30
smcginnisI had some pretty amazing brisket at Salt Lick. And County Line has always been good.19:30
mihalis68for the record I grew up in liverpool and wouldn't know real from fake bbq if it bit me19:30
smcginnisAnd of course Rudy's.19:30
smcginnis:)19:31
spotzmihalis68: I think we have 3 decent non-chain options, there4's also sushi but not everyone eats kinda the same with pizza/pasta but that's more doable19:31
spotzWe have come to call Salt Lick and County Line tourist BBQ:)19:31
smcginnisHah, OK then. :)19:31
smcginnismihalis68: Fish and chips?19:32
spotzmihalis68 come to Austin we'll get you real BBQ too!19:32
mihalis68this operator is totally a tourist19:32
mihalis68sounds like a plan19:32
spotzRudy's is a chain, chains should be avoided19:32
mihalis68when is the summit there again? I mean it just did vancouver again, so...19:32
spotzmihalis68: Talk your bosses into Ansible fest I'll drive up:)19:32
mihalis68ooh!19:33
smcginnisI wouldn't mind an ops meetup in Liverpool.19:33
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jamesmcarthurBBQ snobbery is imperative and warranted if you live in Texas.19:40
jamesmcarthurNext time you all are in Austin, we'll take you to the real deal.19:42
jamesmcarthurFranklin, Terry Black, Opies, La BBQ - any of those should suffice :)19:42
spotzAhem... BLACK'S19:42
smcginnisNow I'm craving BBQ.19:44
spotzThere's also a new one outside SA tha't suposed to be better then Franklin's, 3M I think I waited in line for 30 minutes with half the stuff sold out an hour after opening so we ditched the line19:47
spotzsmcginnis mihalis68 - we definitely need an OPS meetup in Liverpool!19:57
mihalis68I've got an openstack deployment in england, technically speaking, but no staff there and it's near London19:59
mihalis68maybe I need to grow this first19:59
spotzmihalis68: I think you need a few trusted community consultants to go with you to check that out...20:04
mihalis68even when i was in the fancy london office didn't make it out to the datacenter out in docklands.20:05
mihalis68it's a very small one20:05
spotzThe only servers I ever got to visit were in LA and Curacao for one company and FLL(our main local one) and Atlanta(DR) for another/20:06
mihalis68I thought when we did Mexico City a year back I'd love "real" mexican food, but those SuSE guys just focused on bugs and alcohol20:08
mihalis68fried ants eggs20:08
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mihalis68fried grasshoppers20:08
spotzmihalis68: Ewww20:08
mihalis68so now I know : I like tourist mexican better20:09
spotzOr maybe you like tex-mex:)20:09
mihalis68I think they were trying to tweak the gringos a bit20:09
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mihalis68I do, I do20:09
smcginnisWasn't it flaming grasshoppers?20:10
mihalis68the ant eggs were fried in flaming tequila20:10
smcginnisSounds like a waste of tequila to me.20:10
mihalis68there was NO SHORTAGE20:10
smcginnisThat's true!20:10
mihalis68that was actually quite palatable20:10
smcginnisTequila and mezcal everywhere.20:11
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mihalis68the other bugs were ok. The one thing I did not like was fried bugs in my mezcal20:11
mihalis68that's ok, one of our hosts knocked that over with his elbow20:11
mihalis68"oh well, shame!"20:11
spotzYeah I'm not eating bugs20:11
mihalis68I wasn't that keen, but I also wasn't going to be the 'fraidy us tourist20:12
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spotzmihalis68: I have no issue being the fraidy US tourist, I don't eat alot of US things either... like bad BBQ:)20:55
mihalis68fair!21:02
spotzsmcginnis: You mind if I fix that patch you put up? To be honest it's not your section but right under needs a comma:(21:10
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smcginnisspotz: Which patch?21:11
spotzsmcginnis:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/590711/1/doc/source/ops-planning.rst21:12
spotzI try to keep things on related channels:)21:12
smcginnisspotz: Oh, that's not my patch.21:12
spotzOh well in that case:)21:12
smcginnisYeah, either update or just comment on there.21:13
smcginnisThey have a workflow-1 on it, so I'm assuming they plan on doing something more with it.21:13
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openstackgerritAmy Marrich (spotz) proposed openstack/operations-guide master: Add the missing markup for the hyperlink title  https://review.openstack.org/59071121:13
spotzI updated, the workflow -1 is gone though21:14
smcginnisspotz: Hmm, I actually don't think a comma is needed there.21:14
spotzIt reads offly wonky as one long piece though, also added the possessive there21:15
smcginnisOh well, updated now. We'll see if they come back to it.21:15
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spotzIt's nice to see some work being done on it:)21:17
smcginnisYep!21:17
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