Tuesday, 2017-09-12

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shewlessHello operators. Does anyone know of documentation or examples of adding a second region with shared keystone?03:44
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mihalis68I don't have much for this weeks meeting. maybe skip?14:02
mihalis68I didn't do minutes yet14:02
shintarohi14:02
shintaroI don't have much update ether.14:03
shintaroeither14:03
mihalis68I haven't worked on any of my actions14:03
mihalis68sorry, I know you've stayed up late for this Shintaro14:03
shintaroI was working on Sydney Forum etherpad14:03
shintarono worries mihalis6814:03
mihalis68on the positive side, Bloomberg has people at PTG right now working on the issues of keeping documents around, long-term support and overall release cadence.14:04
mihalis68Actually let's do a quick meeting and try to finish earlier than normal?14:04
shintarook14:04
mihalis68#startmeeting Ops Meetup Team14:04
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mihalis68I have other things going on this morning, but I have a little bit of news to report so I will try to make this meeting brief but usefu14:05
VWo/14:05
mihalis68I have no progress on last weeks action items. I need to make an email to the mailing lists about tokyo14:05
mihalis68and the operations guide wiki-ifcation needs work14:05
mihalis68however...14:05
mihalis68Bloomberg has people at the PTG happening now14:05
mihalis68and I have a couple of links to share14:05
shintaronice14:06
mihalis68oh... first #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:06
mihalis68agenda14:06
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mihalis68here are the ether pads that relate to the above topics at PTG14:07
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-skip-level-upgrades14:07
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens14:07
mihalis68Representing Bloomberg are David Desrosiers (a canonical contractor currently full-time in my team)14:08
mihalis68and Juan Negron (my business sponsor)14:08
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shintaroI see my team member on the list, too14:09
shintaroon skip-level upgrade14:09
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mihalis68ok.. I haven' t had a chance to review those myself, however I'll be taking a look. We want to advocate for docs to stay up for the service life of openstack releases, as a minimum, so for example we are supported by Canonical for Openstack Liberty, yet the docs were pulled "because EOL"14:09
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mihalis68and "just build from tag" is a very inadequate response. I understand there's some movement on this14:10
mihalis68and it naturally spills into long-term support releases of OpenStack discussion, release cadence14:10
mihalis68for example twice per year is just too much from our point of view14:10
shintaroway too much for telco like us :)14:11
mihalis68I was talking to David and explaining how long it takes to push a release out - we can do one availability zone per day in just one location14:11
mihalis68can't be messing with the other main data center at same time14:11
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VWI'd personally rather see the focus on making the deployments as seemless as possible than trying to support version longer14:12
mihalis68Maria Bracho told me she has customers who need twice per year minimum, would like to go even faster, they are going at maximum velocity14:12
mihalis68she's the redhead openstack release manager? something like that14:12
mihalis68#link http://redhatstackblog.redhat.com/author/mariabredhat/14:13
mihalis68she represented RedHat and had similar comments to you VW14:13
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mihalis68but she does have other customers who very much want to discuss long-term-support releases of openstack14:13
mihalis68and representing Canonical to some degree in Mexico City was Jill Rouleau who commented something along the lines of canonical has production OpenStack Icehouse clusters still (internally supporting infrastructure)14:14
mihalis68I am glad to hear someone else echoing our view Shintaro14:14
shintarotesting costs us so much...14:15
mihalis68we are not a telco, but I think the stability expected of us makes us telco-like14:15
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mihalis68I skipped ahead a bit abruptly, can I suggest if anyone has updates on their actions just put them in the agenda?14:16
shintarowe are trying to have more testing scenarios upstream, like disruptive scenario so that we don't have to test them every release14:16
mrhillsmanHey I'm in a meeting at PTG14:17
mihalis68I don't even have a plan to be honest, we're just on Liberty and hoping to get to mitaka soon and meanwhile the docs have been pulled14:17
mihalis68hi mrhillsman!14:17
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mihalis68we are possibly making this weeks meeting short, due to lack of progress as well as PTG14:17
mrhillsmanBut just wanted to let everyone know Foundation is a go for helping with logistics and team handling content post Tokyo14:17
mihalis68oh that is FANTASTIC14:17
shintarogreat!14:18
mihalis68thanks so much mrhillsman!14:18
VWsweet!  thanks for driving that conversation while you were there mrhillsman14:18
mrhillsmanAnd there is already some folks Verizon, someone else, and Bloomberg wanting to do Oct 2018 in NY14:18
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mrhillsmanSurely more will come from that, it is a WIP14:18
mihalis68a NE meetup?14:18
mrhillsmanGoing back to meeting14:19
mihalis68we did discuss last week14:19
VWOct seems awful close to the summit14:19
mihalis68ok mrhillsman thanks14:19
shintarocan we get a Opsmeetup logo from the Foundation?14:19
mihalis68yeah but I can't go to sydney14:19
VWoh - THIS october14:19
mihalis68VW I think this is an idea for a strictly regional thing14:19
mihalis68I mean sure open to all but we wouldn't expect people to travel a long way for it14:20
mihalis68it came up last week. I felt like those of us not able to to to Sydney and/or Tokyo would miss out as both are awfully far from here14:20
VWno, sounds great14:21
VWI thought we were talking about the Ops meetup after Tokyo14:21
VW:D14:21
mihalis68always planning out further than the rest of us, eh? :)14:21
VWtrying to14:21
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mihalis68ok so given small turnout and PTG, we could call this meeting early unless there is further business14:23
VWI am good14:23
VWthanks as always, mihalis6814:23
mihalis68I will send a summary to the list with the important news14:23
shintarook thanks mihalis6814:23
mihalis68and I do plan to get to my actions - honest!14:23
mihalis68alright. last call14:23
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mihalis68#endmeeting14:24
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mihalis68thanks everyone14:24
shintarobye14:24
mihalis68goodnight Shintaro!14:24
shintarothanks!14:24
shintarogood day everyone14:24
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med_sorry, was at b-fast at PTG. missed meeting.14:55
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thingeehey all, if you happen to be at the ptg in the simplification room we're gathering operator feedback. Specifically what OpenStack can learn adjacent communities like Kubernetes. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/simplifying-os17:12
thingeeplease join in big thompson room. to the left of registration desk17:12
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