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| smcginnis | Tuesday already? | 14:00 |
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| mihalis68 | yep | 14:00 |
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| shintaro | h | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 5 14:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | Agenda for today's meeting is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | Please add your name to the list of attendees | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review last week's actions | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | I had a few : contact mexico local team for their thoughts on the event - done - i suggested a super-user article | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | I'll help with proof-reading | 14:02 |
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| mihalis68 | we also tidied up the planning page on the openstack.org wiki and made a dedicated agenda ether pad for tokyo - covering a couple more actions for myself and Shintaro | 14:03 |
| shintaro | I did the Tokyo wiki and planning etherpad | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | yep | 14:03 |
| shintaro | thanks for the help mihalis68 | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | I was due to email the openstack-operators and openstack-dev lists with the Tokyo links. Not done. I wasn't subscribed to openstack-dev so just did that. I'll do that email later today | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | you're welcome! | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I'm confirmed going to tokyo but NOT going to sydney (sending two people from my team instead). However I plan to keep trying to help out planing with forum for sydney | 14:04 |
| emccormickva | hey guys. Sorry for the idle. Was putting things on the PTG upgrade etherpad | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I had an action to check numbers for mexico. Final ticket sales : 41 | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | that's it's for my actions | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | "emccormick to make an ether pad and nag community to make list of topics before submission tool opens" | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | status? | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | "vw and mrhillsman to confer with oo.o foundation about involvement in logistics, publicity and branding/logos" | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | status? | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | those are the other two actions from last week | 14:06 |
| emccormickva | It got killed by network death. I'll be sending it today. | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | alright! | 14:06 |
| emccormickva | Can I add it to the wiki? Or should I? | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | I don't see Matt and Melvin, so ... moving on | 14:06 |
| emccormickva | like the Forum one I mean | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | sure | 14:07 |
| shintaro | I found sydney forum wiki to propose ideas #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | the more links to our stuff the better | 14:07 |
| emccormickva | k | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-September/014167.html | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | yes I put that on the agenda | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Also some background. ^^ | 14:07 |
| emccormickva | shintaro exactly where I intend to put it. | 14:07 |
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| mihalis68 | #topic mexico city followups | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | as mentioned, I reached out to the local team to see if they wish to write up their thoughts on how it all went, will share whatever comes of that | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | otherwise i think that event is done except I am going to share some of my photos :) | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | #topic sydney planning | 14:09 |
| rlpple | where are the notes for different meetups? | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | as seen above, email from the foundation announcing kickoff of the process, and a landing page for ether pad links | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | you can find most of them by scrolling through our agenda, linked above | 14:09 |
| rlpple | ty | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | is there any specific question you have? | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:10 |
| rlpple | no I just wanted to read through them and find out what I missed. | 14:10 |
| emccormickva | ripple Ehterpads from Mexico city are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | ok cool | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | thanks Erik | 14:10 |
| rlpple | ty | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | oops rlpple hehe | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | np | 14:11 |
| emccormickva | Sydney I'll send out the standard etherpad after this meeting and ask for suggestions and +1s | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | does anyone have information on how much time the forum is in Sydney? Is it a separate track? I haven't seen a definition yet | 14:12 |
| emccormickva | Other than that I don't think there's much to discuss for Sydney since we have no logistics requirements | 14:12 |
| emccormickva | It is its own track like in Boston | 14:13 |
| emccormickva | and I think it runs all 3 days (well, 2.5 anyway) | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | so after keynotes for rest of day and then two full days? | 14:13 |
| emccormickva | yep | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | that's a lot | 14:13 |
| emccormickva | unless of course there aren't enough session proposals | 14:13 |
| emccormickva | It filled that much time and then some in Boston | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | we had an actual in person ops meetups team meeting in Boston. Should "we"* do one in Sydney? | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | *I can't attend :| | 14:14 |
| emccormickva | There'll be lots of PTLs wanting feedback type of sessions so it gets a lot bigger than our meetups | 14:14 |
| emccormickva | I think that'd be good. It was very well attended in BOS | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | shame about that moderator! :) | 14:15 |
| emccormickva | I can skype you in if you like ;) | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | heh... | 14:15 |
| shintaro | +1 for Ops team session | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | You know maybe I will take you up on that | 14:15 |
| emccormickva | You can be the disembodied head at the front of the room. You can even moderate! | 14:15 |
| emccormickva | :D | 14:15 |
| rlpple | Max!! | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | I already realized I can at least catch the keynotes and not totally miss out. I did Vancouver through Boston, it's a shame to miss one | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | Headroom? | 14:16 |
| rlpple | yy | 14:16 |
| emccormickva | hehe | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | I wouldn't want the moderator to depend on cross-globe telecom. Lag would be horrible | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | Ok I'll suggest ops meet up team session on the appropriate etherpad | 14:17 |
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| emccormickva | *nod* | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to add ops meet up team session at syndney forum | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | I agree that there is not too much to discuss otherwise for Sydney, since we have confidence in the event, venue, lots of attendees etc | 14:18 |
| emccormickva | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-ops-session-ideas | 14:18 |
| emccormickva | still blank, but that'll be it | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | Cool | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | I'll spam it later! | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | still no vw and mrhillsman? | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | I am very interested to hear if they have had conversations about bringing mid-cycle meetups under the wing of the foundation for logistics | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | Anyone else happen to know of such discussions? I think they were to be under the auspices of UC | 14:19 |
| * med_ shows up a couple months late. | 14:19 | |
| emccormickva | Nothing I've heard | 14:19 |
| shintaro | no | 14:19 |
| emccormickva | guessing Melvin is in Denver? | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | is that this week? I thought next week (you refer to PTG I think?) | 14:20 |
| emccormickva | er that's next week | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | yep | 14:20 |
| shintaro | OpenDevConf is this week in SFO | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | Bloomberg is sending a couple of people (not me :| | 14:20 |
| med_ | yep, next week. | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | Ah ok. maybe this week's meeting is poor timing for those chaps | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | #topic tokyo planning | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | there is now an ether pad for agenda planning specifically for the Tokyo meet up next year | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | thanks to shintaro | 14:21 |
| shintaro | np | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | it's linked to our top-level planning page | 14:21 |
| shintaro | I will update if we get more info | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | we can perhaps put sponsor names and logos on | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | make it an attractive landing page worthy of tweeting | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | (ether pads are functional but oh so drab I feel) | 14:22 |
| shintaro | ok I'll try | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | in particular | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | I confused my own point, let me try again. There's an ether pad AND a general landing Wiki page. The latter can I think be made more attractive and more marketing-related than an etherpad | 14:23 |
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| rlpple | okay | 14:24 |
| shintaro | yes ok I got it | 14:24 |
| rlpple | that make sense | 14:24 |
| shintaro | we mentioned about the logo for the opsmeetup last week too | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | I am interested specifically in the logistics for Tokyo with respect to the foundation because if we don't get official support we have the same problem as usual - how to get sponsors and how to handle their money | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | has the ops meetups team and meetups events ever had any branding or logos? | 14:25 |
| shintaro | I don't think so | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | it's not the kind of thing that our people are commonly good at | 14:26 |
| shintaro | they have a logo for OpenStack Days event | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | is there anyone here who might have a go? | 14:26 |
| VW | hey gang - sorry I'm late | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | hey! Welcome! | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | how's your part of texas? | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | the question I was hoping you could answer is whether there's been official debate with the foundation about bringing mid-cycle meetups under the foundation's wing, logistically | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | Hmmm... still there matt? | 14:29 |
| med_ | I'm guessing he just signed in somewhere and is swamped with pings/requests | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | shintaro how is the sponsorship situation for Tokyo? I know it's early but then again we always end up scrambling | 14:30 |
| shintaro | I think UC irc is on monday and this monday was a holiday in US? | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | do you know what your employer will definitely cover? | 14:30 |
| shintaro | NTT and NTT communication will sponsor but don't know if we can cover all the cost. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | so specifically, venue (including wifi) will be covered, right? | 14:31 |
| shintaro | checking with the venue and event organizer | 14:31 |
| shintaro | veinue will be covered but food, drinks need to be checked | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | other items sometimes covered by host, sometimes not include : catering (definitely lunch, sometimes breakfast), badges, signage, freebies ("schwas") | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | schwag | 14:32 |
| shintaro | was T-shirt in Mex coverded by sponsors? or the Foundation? | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | also 1st evening social is sometimes covered or partly covered (like happy hour drinks and snacks) | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know how they managed that, but suspect foundation | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I've added these questions to the agenda | 14:34 |
| shintaro | We haven't got all the estimates yet. I will discuss with the venue and the event organizer later this month so I can update after that | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | can I action you shintaro to define what will be covered by NTT? | 14:34 |
| shintaro | yes but need time get the answer | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | sure | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | #action Shintaro to get definition of what is covered by host (NTT) in Tokyo | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | separate question: has it been decided whether to theme this meet up? | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | for those new to this idea, it was suggested to add a themed track to these meetups to add relevancy to potential attendees | 14:36 |
| shintaro | I think it's a good idea to attract local ops | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | possible themes in Tokyo are telecom and possibly ecommerce | 14:36 |
| shintaro | current idea is Telecom and Large web service provider (e.g. Rakuten, Yahoo!Japan) | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | it's been discussed before e.g. if there was a meet up in Washington DC an "openstack for government" might be good | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | as two tracks? Or themed days? | 14:37 |
| VW | mihalis68: delayed repsonse - my part of Texas is fine - except for some irrational gas hording the last few days | 14:37 |
| shintaro | one track each day maybe | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | yeah I like that personally | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | might you have theme track and other track each day? | 14:38 |
| rlpple | Like the theme | 14:38 |
| emccormickva | That makes sense | 14:38 |
| emccormickva | Standard track + theme track each day | 14:38 |
| shintaro | yes that's what I was thinking | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | so day 1 telecom | other | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | day 2 large web | other | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | sounds good | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | VW glad to hear | 14:39 |
| rlpple | That would be another question - How many rooms will we have for the meetup? | 14:39 |
| rlpple | and what size? | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | and if anyone here is in the path of Irma, I hope you are well prepared! | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | that is on the venue choice ether pad. I will get the link | 14:39 |
| shintaro | one large room with 100+ and few small rooms for breakouts | 14:39 |
| rlpple | okay I have it | 14:39 |
| emccormickva | mihalis68 That could be us next week ;) | 14:39 |
| rlpple | will look at it now | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | arge rooms for up to 200 people? : One room for 192 ppl max | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | additional smaller rooms for breakouts?: one for 40 ppl, one for 24ppl (could have one more large room depend on the requirement) | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | http://granpark-c.com/floor/index.html (in Japanese but you can see the pic of the rooms) | 14:40 |
| shintaro | extra room cost extra money so I want to fix the number of rooms | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | emccormickva yes I am not underestimating risk to further up the NE coast | 14:41 |
| rlpple | thank you for the layout | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | Another action that I mentioned for myself, but did not formalize, was to continue fixing up the OpenStack operators guide on the wiki. I'll pick that up this wee | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to continue fixing up the openstack operations guide on the foundation wiki | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | for those not familiar it has been ejected from the main docs set and will live on the wiki to be community maintained | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | There's a rough conversion posted and initial feedback was that this could be a good enough start, can community maintain it from here on out | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | pages here: | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cmorgan2 | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | any more discussion on Tokyo planning? | 14:45 |
| shintaro | great work it should be opened | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | when I have something I am more comfortable with i will definitely share on the mailing list | 14:45 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:45 |
| emccormickva | Nothing more here | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | I think we are a bit few in number this week, perhaps we should finish off and give back a little bit of time | 14:46 |
| emccormickva | +1 | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | so selfishly with the next meetups being in sydney (that I can't attend) and then tokyo I feel like it's not quite enough | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | is there any interest in something less formal in NE USA before end of year | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | we didn't get an openstack days east this year | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | it seems like perhaps openstack on the east coats is now stronger down in DC/Reston than up here - true? | 14:47 |
| med_ | likewise, couldn't make MX and won't make Tokyo. | 14:47 |
| emccormickva | I could probably squeeze in a day or two in NYC if you guys have a conference room or something ;) | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | what would we call this? | 14:48 |
| emccormickva | Well we have Comcast and Walmart here so that's a big chunk | 14:48 |
| emccormickva | Also there's some dreamhost guys floating about | 14:48 |
| VW | a small US regional event would be great | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | is there an already agreed protocol for this? | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | I'm guessing no | 14:48 |
| med_ | Super Secret Ops Meetup. The name will make sure everyone wants to come. | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | ha ha ha love it | 14:49 |
| shintaro | we have our local ops meetup in December. | 14:49 |
| emccormickva | I doubt it. | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | ok well as an idea this seems to have some interest. | 14:50 |
| shintaro | having local ones are good for people who can't travel much | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | agreed | 14:50 |
| emccormickva | Wanna float it on the list just to gauge interest? | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | ok | 14:50 |
| emccormickva | Informal ops gathering somewhere in the NE Corridor | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to kick off debate about local ops meet up somewhere in NE corridor before end of year | 14:51 |
| emccormickva | Maybe early December or mid January | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | reflecting that sydney and tokyo are very far away | 14:51 |
| rlpple | true. | 14:51 |
| rlpple | should of done Hawaii | 14:51 |
| emccormickva | Find us a host ;) | 14:52 |
| shintaro | we can have a session to get feedback from local meetups | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | the only people who somehow persuade their bosses they need to go to hawaii and vail are the C++ iso people | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | I'll see if a day in the venue we did in august 2016 is doable | 14:52 |
| emccormickva | If someone gives me an excuse, I'd go to Hawaii in a hot minute ;) | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | but NYC is expensive even for NE USA people | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | Erik hawaii sounds great, but that doesn't meet the "not massively far from NE USA" criterion that we seemed to have a minute ago :) | 14:53 |
| rlpple | LOL | 14:53 |
| emccormickva | yeah I know hehe | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | I think we have covered everything | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | sorry mihalis68 | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | unless VW has an update about official logistical support for mid-cycles | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | hey! | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | how's your part of texas | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | i will have that convo tomorrow or on the 10th | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | ah ok. | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | any more business before we close? | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | ok then. A good chair finishes when done, giving any time back, so... | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | will catch up via logs | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 5 14:55:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | thanks all! | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-05-14.01.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-05-14.01.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-05-14.01.log.html | 14:55 |
| shintaro | thank you all | 14:55 |
| emccormickva | If any of you want to chime in on the PTG skip-level upgrade discussion, check out https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-skip-level-upgrades | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | ah, yes, I will look, thank you! | 14:55 |
| emccormickva | it's already busy and it's not entirely my fault. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | troublemaker! :) | 14:56 |
| emccormickva | always | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | is there any interest from the ops community to have the ability to simply describe a flavor? i.e. add a description field to the flavor resource in nova. | 17:24 |
| mriedem | i'd think this would be useful so end users don't have to understand things like flavor extra specs | 17:24 |
| mriedem | our baremetal operators have asked for this too | 17:24 |
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| serverascode | mriedem I think that we would def use that | 17:42 |
| admin0 | what do you all use for monitoring and alerting ? | 17:50 |
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| mgagne | mriedem: I think description would be a welcomed addition | 18:15 |
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| mriedem | cool, good to know | 18:33 |
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| mriedem | serverascode: mgagne: here is the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501017/ | 22:22 |
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