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| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 14:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:00 |
| mihalis68 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:00 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:00 |
| mihalis68 | hello. Who is around. I see you emagana | 14:00 |
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| mihalis68 | good evening shintaro! | 14:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:01 |
| shintaro | hi mihalis68 | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | I had actions to repair the ether pad, to promote the event in mexico, and I also intended to ask for sponsorship from bloomberg | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | actually shintaro I think you retrieved the last good version | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | I posted about the event to the mailing list, twitter and facebook | 14:02 |
| shintaro | yes. it's all there | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | and bloomberg is willing to sponsor the swag | 14:02 |
| shintaro | great! | 14:02 |
| emagana | Yes, I am here! | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | emagana you had an action to try to bridge the communication gap with the mexico city team | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | any progress on that> | 14:02 |
| emagana | mihalis68: | 14:02 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | hi emccormick | 14:03 |
| emagana | mihalis68: Yes, I asked them to invite more people to the slack channel, also to change the communication language to English. | 14:03 |
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| emagana | mrhillsman and tom were in the channel and we also invite you mihalis68 | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | I was traveling from last week until yesterday and am not caught up on email. | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | ah ok I will jump in | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I think I saw one message that attendance is up to 18? | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | still very low :| | 14:04 |
| emagana | mihalis68: Let me know if slack works for you, if not we can find another way to have the conversation. | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | it works for me, but it is obviously not as completely open as IRC | 14:04 |
| shintaro | I just registered few hours ago :) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | #topic actions from last week | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | all actions complete (see previous chat) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | #topic mexico city meetup | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | are there any other potential sponsors yet?> | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | are there any other potential sponsors yet? | 14:05 |
| emagana | mihalis68: Yes, it is. I sent just this morning an email to Lew Tucker and Alan Clark to request them to invite their openstack team in Mexico | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | I have a comment from our budget holder for such sponsorships : this group should seek "series sponsors" who just kick in a bit each time. Clearly he thinks Bloomberg would be one | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | it is a little exhausting to keep asking for new sponsors every time | 14:06 |
| emagana | The email to Lew and Alan, is also to request sponsorship. Besides, Bloomberg I have not heard from anyone else. Maybe one of the smaller local companies will be able to help. | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | It would be great if all the local openstack folks could come | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | another update I have on actual operators issue : I have complained via our support contract with Canonical that openstack not having older-revision openstack docs up is a problem. Apparently this has been taken seriously and is a hot topic for the next PTG. Our Canonical rep David Desrosiers and my business sponsor from Bloomberg CTO office are attending PTG and will be advocating for a fix for this | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | for us, for example we are on Liberty which is old, sure, but not ancient and the docs all evaporated | 14:08 |
| VW | hola! | 14:08 |
| emagana | mihalis68: We are still in Icehouse! :-( | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | hey VW | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | coming to mexico? I am going | 14:08 |
| VW | sorry - was looking away | 14:09 |
| VW | unfortunately, no | 14:09 |
| shintaro | we added some text on etherpad for doc topic | 14:09 |
| VW | I think I may be MIA till Vancover :( | 14:09 |
| VW | but we'll see | 14:09 |
| VW | what I can cook up for future things | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | shintaro I see, thanks, my topic has been +10000ed! :) | 14:09 |
| shintaro | We had a local ops meetup as a part of OpenStack Days event and reviewed all the topics in the list | 14:10 |
| shintaro | added some text and some +1s | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | I had a go at building all the docs from a tag and it's not easy at all | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | it's not like this is trivial and the complaint is from the lazy | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | our canonical guy had to develop some patches to make it work at all behind a corporate proxy, the end result still has a tendency to link back to the web instead of within tree etc etc etc | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | I'm probably going to go to sydney by the way | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | I've turned into a road warrior | 14:12 |
| emagana | mihalis68: We should remember that our schedule there will be from 10-6pm, maybe we can just keep from 10am to 5pm if we do not have enough sessions. | 14:12 |
| shintaro | having snapshot of the document for each release would be useful | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | I am ok with a less grueling fixed daily schedule and more time for ad-hoc chat between operators. The latter is sometimes the best part about it anyway | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | is further work and discussion on mexico being moved to slack ok by all attendees here> | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | ? | 14:13 |
| shintaro | invite me as well | 14:14 |
| VW | I'm cool with that. just tell me how to find the discussion :) | 14:14 |
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| emccormick | me 2 :) | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | yeah that has been the problem - that team is over there somewhere, we are here, not enough linkage | 14:14 |
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| mihalis68 | maybe I am missing something but I still don't see a slack invite email? | 14:15 |
| emagana | mihalis68: let me check with them again. | 14:16 |
| emagana | mihalis68: Can you DM your email just to be sure | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | sure | 14:17 |
| emagana | shintaro: you too please | 14:17 |
| shintaro | mine is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | don't forget emccormick | 14:17 |
| emagana | OK | 14:19 |
| emagana | done! | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | it seems that everyone is ok with the mexico city planing moving to slack | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | please speak now if you disagree. It clearly doesn't work here on IRC at this time slot | 14:19 |
| shintaro | we need to make is visible some how | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to request retweeting of event tweet by Bloomberg social media folk | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | anyone else have such resources? | 14:21 |
| emccormick | sadly my tiny company has 0 social media footprint. I retweeted it personally though. | 14:21 |
| emccormick | not like I have that many followers either | 14:22 |
| shintaro | I can retweet on Japan OpenStack user group account | 14:22 |
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| emagana | mihalis68: I will ask the same in Workday. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | emagana great! Every bit helps. Unfortunately it is a bit late for international travelers to book this now but there's a lot of openstack in NA we can still get interest | 14:23 |
| emagana | from USA to Mexico is not late | 14:24 |
| emagana | I haven't book mine! :-( | 14:24 |
| shintaro | Are we using #OpsMeetup as a hash tag? | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | right | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't actually booked mine either | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I just requested bloomberg social media support for this event since I am attending and we intend to pick up one of the sponsorship items | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | I intend to book today, btw | 14:26 |
| emagana | BTW. The day before the meet-up. I will be leading an OpenStack 101 session in the same place. That was one of the requirements in order to not pay for the location. You can use this link. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | #OpsMeetup works for me | 14:26 |
| emagana | #link http://www.centroculturadigital.mx/actividad/Introduccion-a-OpenStack-rJ_mbs94b | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | that's great emagana | 14:26 |
| emagana | I know is in Spanish but there are many browsers to make the translation for you. | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | I will tweet out that link independently, but Bloomberg may not | 14:27 |
| emccormick | That's great. | 14:27 |
| emagana | +1 | 14:28 |
| emccormick | is the local MX user group sending out promos? | 14:28 |
| emagana | emccormick: As far as I know, they are but I will confirm | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | I tweeted that presentation | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://twitter.com/mihalis68/status/889855320633335808 | 14:31 |
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| mihalis68 | I've added this to our agenda today see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | #action emagana to check on local MX OpenStack user group promoting our event | 14:34 |
| emagana | sure thing! | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't actioned myself on tweets and contacting social media coordinator as I did them during this meeting | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | any more items to discuss on mexico? | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | #topic ops meetup team | 14:35 |
| VW | sorry for missing the last few meetings. Was traveling and such for summer things | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | I want to ask the people who list themselves as part of the team but have difficulty making any meetings whether they need a different time slot, or whether they just can't help out any more. It's difficult, but I think we may need to clean house | 14:36 |
| VW | now that meeting is at 9:00 central (for now), it's easier for me to make | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | I completely understand. I have had a lot of family things and a bit of travel too (just got back from first trip to seattle!) | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | so you're on the team? :) | 14:37 |
| VW | when the time changes, it might be tricker if it goes back to a 10:00 central slot | 14:37 |
| VW | yes, I'd like to be still | 14:37 |
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| mihalis68 | oh I don't think anyone could evict you! | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I count myself on the team, shintaro is a stalwart, emccormick | 14:37 |
| shintaro | I'm good with this slot. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | mrhillsman has been struggling a bit | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | also tom | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | fifieldt | 14:38 |
| emccormick | works fine for me. Just happens today I"m in a phone meeting at the same time as this plus deploying some new hypervisors. Distracted is an understatement | 14:38 |
| emagana | emccormick: we all multi-task | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | yeah, i have prod users unable to schedule VMs today and the team survived second major object store crisis over the weekend | 14:39 |
| emccormick | good times | 14:40 |
| emagana | in our cloud we are suffering of fragmentation issues, a new users is trying to schedule VM of 250GB of mem!!!!! | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | people don't need to defend themselves, but if they can no longer help they can take t heir name off the core team list and if it's now too few we can seek out new help | 14:40 |
| VW | yeah emagana - we have some flavor classes where we have to actively defrag with live migration | 14:41 |
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| VW | also, for licensing costs on some of the guest VMs | 14:41 |
| emagana | VW: ouch! | 14:41 |
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| mihalis68 | we're converging on being 100% ceph backed instances. Our other type was a flavor with just local storage on a raid set, but it's too much hassle | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | also we got ceph performance way up so people can have reasonable performance and durability | 14:42 |
| emccormick | Makes migrations a bitch | 14:42 |
| emagana | VM we are considering changing the Nova Scheduler from distributing load to stacking it. Anyone has any experience on that? | 14:42 |
| emccormick | with local | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | we did a minor scheduler hack here | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | I could find it | 14:42 |
| emagana | mihalis68: did you try to change your ceph janitor and cache to SSD? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | we found that with some nodes with 256GB RAM and some with 768 GB, the scheduler would slam the latter unduly | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | we 100% on SSD for openstack. 100% on spinning HDs for object store | 14:43 |
| emccormick | SSD OSDs? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | YESSIR | 14:43 |
| emccormick | must be nice to have money! | 14:43 |
| emccormick | hehe | 14:44 |
| emagana | I was thinking the same emccormick | 14:44 |
| emccormick | super jelly | 14:44 |
| emagana | custom version of pure storage ;-) | 14:44 |
| VW | emagana: ours does a bit of stacking naturally. Because of cells v1, though, we often see it try to over stack if we kick off several migrations | 14:44 |
| emagana | VM got it! | 14:45 |
| VW | scheduling two whole host VMs to the same host :( | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | Does anyone else have a topic that should be part of this meeting? | 14:45 |
| emccormick | hey, would any of you guys have interest in doing a work session during the meetup to at least kickstart the Ops guide move? | 14:45 |
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| shintaro | yes mihalis68 | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | I'm not familiar with ops guide move, can you summarize? | 14:45 |
| emagana | yes, we are getting off topics | 14:45 |
| emccormick | I know we haven't normally done sessions like that, but given our possibly light attendance it might not be bad | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | mccormick take this off line? | 14:45 |
| emccormick | docs team is no longer maintaining the guide | 14:45 |
| shintaro | when do we decide on APAC? i need to schedule when to secure the budget. | 14:45 |
| emccormick | well asking here since I was going to put it in the etherpad | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | yeah do that | 14:46 |
| emccormick | short story is it's going to be moved to Wiki | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | shintaro fire away | 14:46 |
| shintaro | :) | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | APAC meet up perhaps? | 14:46 |
| VW | usually around Feb/March | 14:47 |
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| VW | for the meetup | 14:47 |
| emccormick | I think we had pretty much settles on dates on the etherpad | 14:47 |
| shintaro | I don't see any other proposal than from us. | 14:47 |
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| emccormick | of the dates you had available there was one that stood out due to beneficial travel schedule | 14:47 |
| emccormick | OH you mean voting to make it official? | 14:48 |
| shintaro | right. I need approval from the community to go | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | #topic APAC meeting | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 14:48 |
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| mihalis68 | do we have enough attendance today to lock that in? | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | or should we announce vote in meeting next week to approve it as proposal and a specific date? | 14:49 |
| emccormick | I am fine just doing it now. | 14:49 |
| shintaro | works for me | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | emccormick which date was that? | 14:49 |
| emccormick | looking... | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to inform operators community (mailing list) that APAC will be decided next week | 14:50 |
| VW | I'm good with now too | 14:50 |
| emccormick | 3/7 - 3/8 | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | I imagine we will easily confirm the proposal shintaro, I just want to respect the "democratic system" of this team | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | For some reason it feels especially important these days | 14:50 |
| shintaro | agree | 14:50 |
| emccormick | it was the one week we could do wednesday / thursday | 14:50 |
| shintaro | that's why I need approval | 14:51 |
| emccormick | to allow for recovery after flying 14 hours | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | shall I mention those dates as the proposed ones for the tokyo proposal then? | 14:51 |
| emccormick | Sure | 14:52 |
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| mihalis68 | or do you want to simply specify those in the proposal writeup in the above linked ether pad, shintaro? | 14:52 |
| shintaro | I have temporally secured the venue for Mar 7 and 8 | 14:52 |
| shintaro | I can fix the etherpad | 14:52 |
| emccormick | Perhaps if we suggest the specific dates it would prod people to pipe up if there's some conflict we haven't thought of. | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | ok then I shall say that's the date unless we hear objections or a whole competing proposal (which seems unlikely) | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | agree | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | 7 minutes leftr | 14:53 |
| VW | dates are good with me | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | yay | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | I shall try to go too | 14:53 |
| VW | OK - I need to head to a meeting here. Chat with you all next week | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | tokyo for 2 days is tough though | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | glad you could join us! | 14:53 |
| emccormick | I"m gonna be rocking some serious airline status | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | any more business? Can close 5 minutes early | 14:54 |
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| emccormick | +1 for closing | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | will do when I see 5 minutes to the hour | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | unless final business crops up | 14:54 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 14:55:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-07-25-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| logan- | i lurk and try to stay semi-updated on the planning meetings back scroll since I'm attending. would anyone mind inviting me on the slack? | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-07-25-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-07-25-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | I don't see my own invite yet, it seems to be lost in the aether | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | thanks everyone | 14:55 |
| shintaro | thank you mihalis68 | 14:55 |
| emccormick | me either | 14:55 |
| emccormick | Hey, did you all book hotels yet? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | I did not | 14:56 |
| shintaro | I did | 14:56 |
| emccormick | given how small a group we are, it would be nice to have a buddy walking back | 14:57 |
| emccormick | where are you staying? | 14:57 |
| logan- | some hotel discussion last week -- http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-07-18-14.11.log.html#l-155 | 14:57 |
| shintaro | NH Collection Mexico City | 14:57 |
| shintaro | is one I took | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | I | 14:57 |
| shintaro | and 2 of my colleagues | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | Ill look for NH Collection too. I agree that being together is a good plan | 14:58 |
| emccormick | cool | 14:58 |
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