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| VW | howdy folks - anyone around for the LDT meeting? | 16:00 |
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| VW | #startmeeting Large Deployments Team | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 22 16:01:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team' | 16:01 |
| VW | will hang for a bit to see if anyone is around for the meeting | 16:02 |
| ad_rien_1 | o/ | 16:02 |
| VW | hey ad_rien_1 | 16:03 |
| ad_rien_1 | hi VW | 16:03 |
| ad_rien_1 | (BTW, I'm ad_rien_ from the Fog/Edge/MDC WG just in case) | 16:04 |
| VW | good to know k | 16:04 |
| VW | and welcome! | 16:04 |
| ad_rien_1 | thanks | 16:04 |
| VW | for anyone else attending and lurking, I updated the meeting wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/LDT#Current_Work_Items | 16:04 |
| VW | also, picked up a trick from another meeting I'm in regularly to have running meeting notes in an etherpad | 16:05 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LDT_meeting_notes | 16:05 |
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| VW | please put your names and such in there | 16:05 |
| mdorman | hey sorry, here now. | 16:06 |
| VW | howdy mdorman | 16:06 |
| VW | looks like a light attendance this month, but that is cool. I'd like to circle back to the summit stuff and try to start picking one or two things to go work on | 16:07 |
| VW | #topic follow up to Boston | 16:07 |
| VW | There were really two main areas of work from the Forum that we can follow up on - our own meetings and the VM and bare metal sessions that johnthetubaguy ran | 16:08 |
| VW | I guess we can start with ours | 16:08 |
| VW | take a minute to review | 16:08 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-large-deployment-team | 16:08 |
| VW | The neutron bits at line 26 had a little traction while still there | 16:10 |
| VW | mdorman: do you know if there are any artifacts from our conversation with the Neutron devs that Thursday | 16:10 |
| VW | also - ad_rien_1 - you think you all will still be able to talk about numbers around alternatives to rabbit in August | 16:11 |
| ad_rien_1 | you mean in August ? | 16:13 |
| ad_rien_1 | (we are progressing, you can look to the recent discussion on the dev ML) | 16:13 |
| * ad_rien_1 is looking for the thread.. | 16:13 | |
| mdorman | i don’t know of any other artifacts re: neutron discussions | 16:14 |
| mdorman | i know klindgren talked to kbenton and others quite a bit and we came to some conclusions about neutron scaling strategies and a theoretical way forward for implementing a cells-like approach. there may be some ML posts, i’m not sure. | 16:15 |
| VW | thanks ad_rien_1 - would love to catch up on the thread. and yes, was just touching base on progress. Hoping to hear more in August | 16:15 |
| ad_rien_1 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118716.html | 16:15 |
| VW | thanks mdorman - was trying to make sure we had a way to chase progress | 16:15 |
| VW | we had a conversation at a coffee shop, so I know we didn't write much down ;) | 16:16 |
| ad_rien_1 | Things are progressing, slowly but we are moving forward (redhat folks are doing a big effort, that's cool | 16:16 |
| ad_rien_1 | ) | 16:16 |
| mdorman | we can check with klindgren , he might know of some specs or something that are out there. he’s traveling this week so i’m not sure he’s on IRC much | 16:16 |
| VW | no worries | 16:17 |
| VW | I'll give you an action to check with him before next meeting | 16:17 |
| VW | #action mdorman follow up with klindgren on the neutron scaling stratigies | 16:17 |
| VW | thanks ad_rien_1 noted it the running meeting etherpad too | 16:18 |
| VW | anything else from the LDT session notes we need to discuss further? | 16:18 |
| ad_rien_1 | I underlined whether it makes sense to try to make a global point on alternative components/approaches for the whole OpenStack ecosystem. | 16:19 |
| ad_rien_1 | Don't know whether it makes sense for you (maybe this is too prospective from an operator viewpoint)? | 16:20 |
| ad_rien_1 | I gave as an example the dragonFlow project | 16:20 |
| mdorman | don’t know if there’s anything else we ned to do with teh service catalog philosophy. it sounds like we’re mostly aligned with nova devs on that, i guess. i think the proposal for changing how the glance endpoint is discovered/configured (that spawed the discussion) was resolved in a way that we’re happy with. i was surprised there was not more response to my ML post about that. but i guess that means nobody disagrees with us :) | 16:20 |
| ad_rien_1 | (please note that I didn't make this exercice yet so …) | 16:21 |
| VW | fair enough ad_rien_1. I do think there is a lot of interest in alternatives for common components like rabbit. The general sense I get from operators is no one is in love with it | 16:21 |
| VW | as for dragonflow, that's an alternative to ML2, correct? | 16:21 |
| VW | mdorman: sorry - I'll admit I missed your thread | 16:22 |
| VW | can you link? | 16:22 |
| ad_rien_1 | VW: to be honest I'm not a neutron expert so I don't know whether DragonFlow is just a driver or a complete reimplementation of Neutron. | 16:23 |
| mdorman | VW: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116574.html and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-May/013391.html | 16:23 |
| mdorman | IIRC, mgagne was the only responder, and he was in agreement | 16:24 |
| ad_rien_1 | I just underlined that point during the boston F2F meeting because I attended one more presentation from this project and the evaluations they made on Neutron (default implementation) vs their proposal looks to be rigorous enough | 16:24 |
| ad_rien_1 | and Results clearly demonstrated the scalability as well as better performance in comparison to Neutron | 16:24 |
| mdorman | anyway, point being, i don’t think there are any needed actions on teh service catalog topic. | 16:24 |
| mgagne | yes, I agree with the LDT boston work session notes regarding catalog | 16:24 |
| VW | cool, thanks mdorman | 16:25 |
| VW | and hello mgagne | 16:25 |
| ad_rien_1 | I asked you whether it make sense to try to organize a working day where people can present alternatives solutions, explain the design choices they made and that enable them to propose better performance and finally the maturity of the proposal. | 16:25 |
| mgagne | o/ | 16:25 |
| VW | I do think activities like that make some sense ad_rien_1 | 16:26 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok | 16:26 |
| VW | not sure the best way to organize - IRC, forum sessions, etc | 16:26 |
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| ad_rien_1 | Don't get me wrong please, but as the large scale deployment team I'm expecting that you would have been familiar with alternatives that try to deliver more performance/scalability | 16:28 |
| ad_rien_1 | It looks to me important (but once again I'm not an operator, just a cloud architect/researcher that try to see how OpenStack can handle large scale and geo-distributed cloud infrastructures) | 16:28 |
| VW | some, but there are so many things to keep up with, we don't always catch them all | 16:28 |
| ad_rien_1 | yes but organizing such a working day can be a way to try to see what are the new proposals? | 16:29 |
| VW | yes - I agree | 16:29 |
| ad_rien_1 | (please if you have other points to discuss, let me know, I do not want to waste your time ;)) | 16:30 |
| VW | #action VW to follow up with Ops Meetup planning team on possible options for organizing "Alternative architecture proposal sessions " | 16:30 |
| VW | not a waste of time at all. Just need to go figure out how you structure that sort of thing to benefit the most folks | 16:31 |
| ad_rien_1 | Ops Meetup is in Mexico, isn't it? Not sure whether this will be the best place as developpers/new contributors come either to the PTG or the summit ? | 16:31 |
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| VW | probably the summit | 16:31 |
| VW | but the meetup team plans things for there too | 16:31 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok | 16:31 |
| VW | basically, they look after anything that is pulling OPs folks together | 16:31 |
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| klindgren | hrm - super late... | 16:32 |
| VW | but always welcome | 16:33 |
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| VW | hi klindgren | 16:33 |
| ad_rien_1 | Another example is related to the recent discussion regarding keystone/cockroack and I'm pretty sure there have been/are other stuffs | 16:33 |
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| ad_rien_1 | It looks to me important to give a look at those actions, investigate pros/cons and them try to discuss with core-devs to push them (if this makes sense obviously) | 16:34 |
| VW | yeah - I'm surper interested in cockroachdb since we run our control plane as VMs | 16:34 |
| VW | Ok - I'll see what I can do with that then | 16:34 |
| ad_rien_1 | (BTW, we have started a preliminary study regarding cockroach within the FEMDC WG) | 16:34 |
| ad_rien_1 | VW: maybe offline you can explain me why. I do not see the link between cockroach and the fact that you are running your control plane as VMs :-P | 16:35 |
| ad_rien_1 | you can mail me when you will have time. Thanks | 16:35 |
| VW | hey klindgren - are there any mailing list threads or follow ups from the conversation we had with the Neutron folks in Boston | 16:36 |
| klindgren | not that I know of | 16:36 |
| VW | simply put ad_rien_1 - since we already use VMs for our cell and api level DBs, I'm intrigued by a cloud native approach that might support auto scaling, handle node failures, etc | 16:37 |
| VW | ok - klindgren - thanks. we need to figure out how to get that stuff encapsulated into something we can follow up on | 16:37 |
| VW | alright - we have beaten up the LDT session etherpad | 16:39 |
| VW | want to spend a few minutes on the VM and bare metal session stuff | 16:39 |
| ad_rien_1 | VW ok thanks for clarifying your viewpoint | 16:40 |
| VW | take a few to review the following | 16:40 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-operating-vm-and-baremetal | 16:40 |
| VW | so, it looks like the top contenders are on about line 345 of that | 16:43 |
| VW | I haven't been able to sync up with johnthetubaguy since Boston either | 16:44 |
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| VW | anything in there that jumps up high on the team's radar? | 16:47 |
| mdorman | yeah i mostly missed that stuff at boston, too. i’m reviewing the etherpad | 16:47 |
| VW | my home is to pick one or two that LDT can really help push forward | 16:48 |
| VW | maybe even get johnthetubaguy an others in a future meeting | 16:48 |
| mdorman | nothing realy jumping out to me, other than, yeah this all looks like good stuff to look into, hah | 16:48 |
| VW | he's UK though, it will be August (or October) before we can do that | 16:49 |
| VW | but will try | 16:49 |
| mdorman | there is one item about neutron scaling, which kind of parallels our previous discussion that came out of our session | 16:49 |
| VW | #action VW to get johnthetubaguy or other key folks from VM and Bare Metal group to join future LDT meetings | 16:49 |
| VW | yeah - saw that mdorman | 16:49 |
| VW | we'll need to see if we can bring those to convergance | 16:50 |
| VW | OK - I'll also work on some mailing list follow up to all this | 16:51 |
| VW | anyone have anything else? | 16:52 |
| VW | #topic Other Business | 16:52 |
| mdorman | none for me. thanks as always for organizing VW | 16:54 |
| VW | sure thing | 16:54 |
| VW | I'll start doing a better job of promotion too | 16:54 |
| VW | unless anyone else has anything, I'll give you all a few minutes back | 16:54 |
| ad_rien_1 | just one question, are there still important connections with the Performance team? | 16:55 |
| VW | There should be. I don't know if we have an active member in both | 16:56 |
| VW | although, they have often been in our summit/forum sessions | 16:56 |
| ad_rien_1 | or things are rather calm | 16:56 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok thanks VW | 16:56 |
| VW | sure thing | 16:58 |
| VW | Ok - Next meeting is July 21 at 03:00 UTC | 16:58 |
| VW | with that, enjoy the rest of your day, folks! | 16:58 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 22 16:58:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-06-22-16.01.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-06-22-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-06-22-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
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| mgagne | I'm reading "[openstack-dev] [nova][placement] Add API Sample tests for Placement APIs" and I keep reading "the consumers of the placement api are currently presumed to be other OpenStack projects. Definitely not end users." So why should I add the service to the catalog which could be consumed/queried by the end user? I couldn't find way to override the endpoint in nova.conf | 17:55 |
| mgagne | and I don't want my end users to contact support requesting info about how to access the placement API which they shouldn't be using anyway. | 17:56 |
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