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| zioproto | hello all | 10:48 |
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| yankcrime | hey zioproto | 11:25 |
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| zioproto | yankcrime: we are running Newton in production ;) | 13:15 |
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| yankcrime | nice work zioproto ! | 13:30 |
| yankcrime | we're still in the process of upgrading, managed to drag neutron over the line from kilo to liberty last week | 13:30 |
| yankcrime | hit a horrendous bug introduced in the fwaas iptables driver as of liberty that hit us hard | 13:30 |
| zioproto | we disabled fwaas with this cycle | 13:31 |
| yankcrime | so we're now mostly on mitaka, some bits on liberty, but we'll be pushing on to newton fairly soon | 13:31 |
| yankcrime | we've got one customer that makes heavy use of fwaas so we can't disable it :( | 13:31 |
| yankcrime | in fact that was actually the source of our problems - the existing code that reconciles rules that should be in place vs. reality is pretty terrible | 13:32 |
| yankcrime | we have namespaces with > 1.5k fwaas iptables rules in place, so this blocked all other neutron-vpn-agent related activities for well over 40 minutes in some cases | 13:33 |
| yankcrime | anyway, we've got a fix that we'll push upstream soon | 13:33 |
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| emccormickva | good morning | 14:00 |
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| mihalis68 | it's a reboot as it is changing hands from Rob to Nichole Nawrot. From my perspective they messed it up as they sent people to you and Ned for hacker rank without me reviewing first, thinking this was "streamlining" the process. I already told them both will and I expect to see resumes first and select people for hackerran | 14:50 |
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| mihalis68 | oops ignore that wrong window! | 14:51 |
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| mihalis68 | hello! | 14:52 |
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| yankcrime | hey mihalis68 | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | hello | 14:53 |
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| emccormickva | good morning peoples. | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | hi! | 15:00 |
| shintaro | hi all | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | Shall we get going? I can chair | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 2 15:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | This week's agenda is at the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | please add your name to the list of attendees | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | who's online? | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:01 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:01 |
| emccormickva | o/ | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review last weeks meetings | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | Before I could do my action, a session was organized for next week in Boston for an ops meet up team "Catch-up" | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | I am moderating that one | 15:02 |
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| mihalis68 | that took care of my action | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | link here https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18935/openstack-operators-ops-meetup-team-catch-up | 15:02 |
| emccormickva | nifty | 15:02 |
| shintaro | thank you mihalis68 | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | Thanks to fifieldt for that | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know if there is an ether pad for that. Do we need one? | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | I completed action items for me | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | I see it as just next weeks meeting, but in real life | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | thoughts? | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | yes you've been busy! Thanks! | 15:03 |
| shintaro | +1 for etherpad | 15:03 |
| emccormickva | Could just use our running one | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:04 |
| emccormickva | since it's technically this meeting but in person | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | I suppose summits tend to have distinct ether pads | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | Makes sense | 15:04 |
| shintaro | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 for links to all Forum etherpads | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | so you can point at the "boston 2017 ether pads" | 15:04 |
| emccormickva | hrm | 15:04 |
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| emccormickva | ok make a new one and link it into our main one | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | I'll make one specifically for next week and it can point back to our normal agenda one | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | yeah | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to make an ether pad for the ops meet up team catch-up during the Boston Summit | 15:05 |
| mrhillsman | And normal point back to it | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | It looks like VW contacted Tom F over his ongoing participation in this team as I saw an email flurry and he arranged that meetup | 15:05 |
| mrhillsman | High Availability! | 15:06 |
| VW | hey folks | 15:06 |
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| mrhillsman | morning | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | the one thing that appears to be missing is izaakk was to get date availability for the mexico city meetup | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | hi VW | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | mrhillsman's email elicited some great info from emagana on venue choice | 15:06 |
| VW | in an all day planning session, so apologies in advance if I'm not too chatty | 15:06 |
| VW | feel free to call me by nick if you need a quick answer | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | I think we are still waiting but can bump that in the email thread | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PLWUEchN/ | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | In addition, from earlier messages in that same thread, it appears Digital Culture Center is a bit more relaxed about passive sponsorship advertising (logos on banners) | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | We do not have floorpans, nor dates | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | I suggest we aim to choose either 1. or 2. next week? | 15:08 |
| emccormickva | makes sense since they're not an ISP | 15:09 |
| mrhillsman | Well I mean from the thread it seems DCC is the winner | 15:09 |
| emccormickva | +1 final vote at the summit | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | #topic boston meetup | 15:09 |
| mrhillsman | Ok | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to put a formal vote on August venue on agenda for ops meet up catchup in Boston | 15:09 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:09 |
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| mihalis68 | Ooh... vote in person? Or perhaps throw up a doodle poll and formalize the verdict next week? | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | who will attend next week that is here, btw? | 15:10 |
| shintaro | I will but +1 for doodpel poll for those can not go to Boston | 15:10 |
| emccormickva | I'll be there | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | I do agree about DCC, btw, speaking personally | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | cool | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman request date and floor plans for DCC via e-thread | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | who has doodle poll-foo? | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | Me | 15:11 |
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| mihalis68 | is that an offer to throw the poll up? :) | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | action me up kind sir | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to create a Doodle poll to allow the community to vote on venues for Mexico City | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | do we need firm dates before the vote? | 15:11 |
| VW | I will be there next week mihalis68 | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | oh boy (warns liver) | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | just kidding! | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | personally I think it is far enough out to not have them but I will push to have by next week's vote | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | Unless no | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | Do you know if you can start the poll and then refine it with more info as it's live? | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | But we do need them asap | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | Yes that can be done | 15:13 |
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| mihalis68 | ok. What other business is there for Boston? | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | I'll be there from Sunday late afternoion | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't locked in my timetable at all yet | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | Please work to attend unanswered requirements session | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | which one is that? got a link? | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | I'll be in Friday the 5th | 15:15 |
| shintaro | wow | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | is that in boston? I'm not traveling until the 7th | 15:16 |
| shintaro | I'll be there on Sunday afternoon as well | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | oh I see mrhillsman in boston from 5th | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-unanswered-requirements | 15:16 |
| emccormickva | I'll be in Sunday morning. | 15:17 |
| emccormickva | IF anyone wants a Sunday evening happy hour, just holler. | 15:17 |
| emccormickva | Start working on mrhillsman's liver damaage early | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:18 |
| emccormickva | and mihalis68 :D. I'm just now recovered from Milan so I'm ready to go | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | #link this appears to be Melvin's session https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18735/strategy-for-unanswered-requirements | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | emccormickva yes sunday evening I'll register and then need a beer I would think | 15:19 |
| emccormickva | Thanks. Added | 15:20 |
| emccormickva | Curious. Does anyone know if there are any holes with empty rooms, or did we fill everything? | 15:21 |
| emccormickva | There was a mention on the list that there was no Ceph session this time and those are usually pretty popular. | 15:21 |
| emccormickva | wonder if everyone just took it for granted ;) | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | there's lot of ceph on the summit schedule | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | are you asking specifically about Forum sessions? | 15:23 |
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| shintaro | there is "Ceph Day" on the Summit | 15:23 |
| shintaro | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/#track=131 | 15:23 |
| emccormickva | I meant forum yeah | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | any more business regarding Boston? We've linked two sessions here. Anyone want to highlight any others? | 15:25 |
| emccormickva | Ah cool. Didn't realize they colocated that. I'm sure they'll have feedback sessions in that | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | #topic Mexico City | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/k49kHZTs/ | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know why it did that sorry | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | dates | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | floorplans | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | and I suppose we should soon have an event document for itinerary planning? | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | unless that already exists (sorry, i forget) | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | For the past two mid-cycle meetups, we attempted to find a single person to coordinate the entire event planning on the technical side (not catering, signs etc). | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | Is there a person for Mexico willing to do that? | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | the person I called the "benevolent dictator" | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | the rationale being someone needs to take ownership and drive it forward with energy | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | I can't tell if Izaakk, for example, would do that | 15:29 |
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| shintaro | someone from local organisation if they can attend IRC | 15:30 |
| emccormickva | I"m about 75 / 25 on whether I can go. It rather depends on the dates. Izaak or someone local would be best though I think | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | ok. From the lack of responses, it seems we can't work that out now. The openstack mexico folks aren't online here right now | 15:30 |
| emccormickva | but I'm certainly willing to chase people and send out lots of emails ;) | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | I have concern, personally, that there's no hosting organization and no benevolent dictator | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | it is a serious responsibility given that we invite people to spend a lot of money on travel and accommodation to attend these things | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | certainly I had some sleepless nights over NYC/2016 mid-cycle | 15:31 |
| emccormickva | I do have a couple of minions down there I can probably get to run for things if we need. | 15:31 |
| emccormickva | like if we need eyes on the site beforehand or something. | 15:32 |
| emccormickva | also I could probably get him to receive things if we ship them down, like badges and whatnot | 15:32 |
| emccormickva | I will ask | 15:32 |
| emccormickva | They're both with Suse / Microfocus in Mexico City, so perhaps we can railroad them into helping out | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | I'm going to check with my managers if I should go, and if so I can maybe put myself forward as temporary benevolent dictator, else I feel this may struggle. Local help will be invaluable | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | unless anyone else wishes to own this | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | my hesitation is mostly around my employer (Bloomberg) being the host only two mid-cycles ago | 15:35 |
| emccormickva | Since you've been benevolent dictator before, can you toss out a quick list of tasks / responsibilities maybe? | 15:35 |
| emccormickva | and then action me to contact my locals and see how much help we can get from them | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | I said I would collect the info and make a wiki page, so yes I'll do that ASAP. I'll email the list | 15:35 |
| emccormickva | ah cool. Missed that. Thanks | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | the B.D. has to : get the venue locked down (place, date) | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | find sponsors | 15:35 |
| emccormickva | You should not be saddled with it in any case | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | push for the agenda process to move | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | help find moderators | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | arrange things like an official host name/address for visa purposes | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | (often the latter is the foundation, but we have to make sure that is assured for each event so that people don't have difficulties with their visas) | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | publicize the event and any supporting things like Doodle polls | 15:37 |
| emccormickva | That's one thing maybe I can get Suse to do. | 15:37 |
| emccormickva | (the Visa bit). I will ask | 15:37 |
| emccormickva | I think everything but venue coordination can be done by us here | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | there are also non-openstack-related logistics - catering, signs, badges | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | I had help for NYC | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | Bloomberg assigned one of our event planners. It's a fair bit of work even for a small-scale event like these | 15:39 |
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| emccormickva | yeah that stuff is going to be trickier, but perhaps the venue can offer some assistance. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | Can't ask a venue providing free space to spend money printing agenda sheets, overhead signs, badges | 15:40 |
| emccormickva | as for printing, once we have sponsors that can be printed and shipped. It's a fairly small number of things. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | at least, that's my assumption | 15:40 |
| emccormickva | nono I don't expect them to print things | 15:40 |
| emccormickva | I mean for event planning things like catering | 15:40 |
| emccormickva | mainly suggestions, contacts, etc. | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | right. that's true | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | "who's a good caterer for lunch for 100 open stackers" | 15:41 |
| emccormickva | they likely have a person there that helps do just that sort of thing | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | I will make the mid-cycle coordinator wiki page an action as a reminder | 15:42 |
| emccormickva | Who's been talking to them so far? Izaakk? | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to write up the duties of a openstack operators mid-cycle meet up coordinator | 15:42 |
| emccormickva | if so let's see if he is willing to do the liason thing with them and coordinate local crap | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | #info the latter to be on the openstack.org wikki | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | ok sounds good | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | #action amccormickva to check with izaakk whether he and his colleagues can handle local business like arranging catering, printing etc (arrange not pay for) | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | izaakk is with intel mexico? | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | #action emccormickva to check with izaakk whether he and his colleagues can handle local business like arranging catering, printing etc (arrange not pay for) | 15:44 |
| emccormickva | I believe so | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | fixed spelling, sorry | 15:44 |
| emccormickva | I don't have an email for him, but I"m sure it's on the etherpad somewhere. | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | if we can lock in, let's say, Digital Culture Center when we meet next week, with a fixed date, we can then ask for sponsors | 15:45 |
| emccormickva | What about Edgar? | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | he's in CA these from from M.C. I believe | 15:45 |
| emccormickva | ah ok | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | *these days but from | 15:45 |
| emccormickva | perhaps we can abuse him for phone calls though given his linguistic skills ;) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | hmmm this is going to be difficult still | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | for example Bloomberg paid for signs for Milan even though nobody attended. We paid the venue | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | money handling with a loose band of volunteers is extraordinarily tricky | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | 15 minutes left | 15:47 |
| emccormickva | Perhaps the foundation can help us with that | 15:47 |
| emccormickva | Money goes to the foundation, foundation disburses | 15:47 |
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| emccormickva | for those things that sponsors don't pay for directly. | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | I think they already help a bit in that the ticket revenue goes to the foundation and then from there to the venue? | 15:47 |
| emccormickva | yep | 15:48 |
| emccormickva | so adding on a few AP tasks shouldn't be a huge deal | 15:48 |
| emccormickva | but let's clear it with Tom | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | I can email Tom F to see if that can be done with larger sums this time due to the lack of a single anchor host | 15:48 |
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| emccormickva | *nod* | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to email Tom F over increased foundation assist for money handling for mexico city meet up in august | 15:48 |
| shintaro | and the following ones, too | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | to be perfectly blunt, I am concerned to avoid a "Fyre Festival" of mid-cycle meetups | 15:49 |
| emccormickva | hahaha | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | who wants to be cc:ed on this email? | 15:50 |
| emccormickva | well we at least have a building ;) | 15:50 |
| emccormickva | cc me | 15:50 |
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| mihalis68 | #info 10 minutes left | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | #topic any other business | 15:50 |
| emccormickva | I'm going to ping one of the manager guys at Suse down there and give him an earworm about getting involved and perhaps acting as a host | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | in the past we've discussed themed mid-cycles. there does not appear to be a strong desire to theme the August one | 15:51 |
| emccormickva | not having to pay for the venue may make it more palatable | 15:51 |
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| fifieldt | hi | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | #action emccormickva to email a contact at SuSe Mexico about possibly being host | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | hi Tom! | 15:52 |
| emccormickva | hi fifieldt! | 15:52 |
| * fifieldt is here if you need anything for the next few minutes :) | 15:52 | |
| mihalis68 | we wonder if the foundation can be conduit for more of the funds for mexico city since we currently have no single host | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | Can't pay a loose band of volunteers | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | I was going to email you this question and Pow! here you are! | 15:52 |
| fifieldt | yeah, we pretty much have a policy against that | 15:53 |
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| fifieldt | amoungst $legal and $financial - it's basically a staffing thing ... we just don't have the people | 15:53 |
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| mihalis68 | ok then it seems like plan B is to find a host, STAT | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | Have we ever had a contact directly at Digital Culture Center? | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | Ok. guess not | 15:54 |
| fifieldt | who do we have to pay? one way to do it is to arrange with the suppliers to receive funds from multiple orgs | 15:55 |
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| mihalis68 | if we do lock in DCC as venue, let's try to get a contact and see what services they can offer, in addition to space, such as signage, catering, badges | 15:55 |
| mihalis68 | it's all a bit undefined. We don't know where and when it will be. Without that, it's hard to work out who will do signs, badges, catering. That means we don't have amounts, so definitely can't ask for sponsorship yet | 15:56 |
| mihalis68 | the plan is to have a doodle poll up to lock down venue ASAP (Melvin) | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | and then formally agree the winner next week and then take it from there | 15:57 |
| emccormickva | ok so for now let's put panic on hold. I'll reach out to Suse and we'll start stressing more when we have dates and a place locked down | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | 3 minutes left | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | works for me | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | Are dates narrowed down yet? | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | not saying I am panicking now. I AM saying that the current "holding pattern" will not produce a good event :) | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | (sorry if this was covered earlier) :) | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | August 2017 is all we know | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | so far | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: OK, thanks! | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | last call for any other business> | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | ? | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | emccormickva if you get anything out of your SuSe contacts I'd love to hear about it ASAP | 15:58 |
| fifieldt | looking forward to seeing you in Boston | 15:59 |
| fifieldt | :D | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | fifieldt when arriving? beer sunday? | 15:59 |
| emccormickva | no problem. I"m going to see at least one of them next week too | 15:59 |
| emccormickva | though he's not high enough to make any decisions. He would just be my minion :D | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | ok thanks everyone for attending this meeting. Productive one I feel | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | +1 for minions | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 2 16:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-02-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-02-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-02-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: Friday | 16:00 |
| emccormickva | See all you lovely people in Beantown | 16:00 |
| shintaro | thank you | 16:00 |
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| mihalis68 | final reminder to please add names to agenda if you didn't | 16:00 |
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