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| * med_ wonders if this is still an operators meeting time. | 14:06 | |
| med_ | having not been here for a couple months, I wouldn't know | 14:06 |
| med_ | mrhillsman, vw ? | 14:07 |
| VW | I'm here med_ | 14:07 |
| VW | although, buy timezone changes, it wouldn't be now would it? | 14:08 |
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| * VW time maths | 14:08 | |
| med_ | ah, maybe an hour ago. | 14:08 |
| med_ | Good point | 14:08 |
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| med_ | so I was an hour early. That's never happened before. :^) | 14:25 |
| mrhillsman | 1500UTC | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | I'm a bit out of sync this morning but will be online at the time of the meeting | 14:28 |
| med_ | :-) | 14:32 |
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| emagana | is the meeting now? | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | it is | 15:00 |
| emagana | which channel? | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | this one | 15:00 |
| emagana | ah ok.. awesome! | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 you around? | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | hello, yes | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | just back from vacation | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | nice | 15:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | hey shintaro | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | can you chair mihalis68 | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | I need a few minutes to setup | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | or anyone else | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | sure, ok | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 15:03 |
| med_ | \o | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 15:03:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk you here? | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review last weeks actions | 15:05 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:05 |
| mrhillsman | awesome :) | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | mrhillsman to work on getting moderators for boston forum where needed | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | was that done? | 15:06 |
| mrhillsman | Shamail from UC sent email due to me being a bit disoriented from osic news | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | and some classes | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | so yes, that effort has started | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bMVeKmYe/ | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | product working group geared to help in that effort as well | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | I sent a combined email covering most of that to the operators list | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | When I reviewed the ether pad for mexico, I realized that there doesn't seem to be an actual hosting organization, is that right? | 15:08 |
| mrhillsman | I think we have enough folks for a vote | 15:08 |
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| mihalis68 | I mention this now because I wasn't sure if the mexican proposal has all the info that is expected | 15:09 |
| med_ | hmmm I thought Intel was the host? | 15:09 |
| med_ | maybe I'm too out of the loop | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | Intel bailed out of this entirely | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | that was the oregon idea, now gone | 15:09 |
| mrhillsman | Mexico City is actually behind it | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | instead there is now a proposal for mexico | 15:10 |
| med_ | ah, I thought it just moved from one Intel site to another. | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | izaakk are you representing the mexican proposal? | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk from Intel has been pushing it so Intel has not really nailed | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | bailed | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | there was a misstep on someone's part | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | the oregon proposal definitely cratered though | 15:10 |
| mrhillsman | causing it to fall through | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | they did not follow internal process | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | to be blunt, there was plenty of time to pick that up, in fact there still ius | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | I know that one employee left who was our contact but intel is a big corp | 15:11 |
| mrhillsman | apologies if I did not provide an appropriate update at the time | 15:12 |
| * med_ notes that Colorado isn't hosting that the PTG is here and will welcome any Ops to the PTG with open arms. | 15:12 | |
| shintaro | so who put up the google docs for Mexico proposal? | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | I'm aware of the OSIC news but not really of the actual impact, to be honest. I know intel is appearing in boston, but is that just "too late to ditch" | 15:13 |
| izaakk | Hey, it's people from Openstack Mexico community | 15:13 |
| izaakk | They will join next meeting | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 neither Intel nor Rackspace are pulling out of OpenStack efforts only the OSIC partnership is dissolved | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | what can that group provide and what would have to be found otherwise? Items include venue rental, lunch, possibly breakfast too, signage, badges | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | ok thanks for clarifying | 15:14 |
| izaakk | I'm the point of contact for any questions on that | 15:15 |
| izaakk | We are at the point where we should choose a venue and go from there | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | note: attendees please add your name to the list here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | (attendees to this IRC meeting, I mean) | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | izaakk can you answer my questions above? | 15:16 |
| izaakk | That group is a few volunteers knocking does on people willing to sponsor space | 15:17 |
| izaakk | They are just helping with logistics | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | Understood. I think for this to be voted on, the expectation is that at least venue rental is spoken for | 15:17 |
| izaakk | +1 | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | So far, and I don't want to be harsh, I think we do not have a firm proposal | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | what do other people think? | 15:18 |
| shintaro | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdMCOTPP_ZmeF2Ak1mQB1bCOFHDkA5P2l6n6kdb8Kls/edit# | 15:18 |
| shintaro | so we should review this | 15:19 |
| shintaro | proposal | 15:19 |
| izaakk | We have those options, we need to choose to formalize | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 I believe venue is taken care of based on what I read | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | izaakk can clarify | 15:21 |
| mrhillsman | I think there are just stipulations around content presented | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | such as? | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | I don't see them in the google doc | 15:22 |
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| izaakk | Probably having a workshop | 15:22 |
| izaakk | Is the only one | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | is the normal content of an operators meet up all acceptable? | 15:22 |
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| izaakk | Yes | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | can you help me understand how there are multiple free venues? | 15:23 |
| mrhillsman | "TelmexHub is a totally free option, they only demand that there wasn’t marketing or sale or products in the event." | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | so these are government or industry subsidized to promote mexico/mexico city in the high-tech area? | 15:23 |
| izaakk | This are provided by foundations to cloud or tech events | 15:23 |
| izaakk | Exactly | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | Maybe I have been in the USA too long, but something free like this makes me cautious | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | I can't help feel like you always pay | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | taxes ;) | 15:25 |
| shintaro | is this like free co-working space? | 15:25 |
| izaakk | I understand, and we will get more info once we choose. One of the venues told them last time that they told us that providing a workshop is enough to justify the use of the space | 15:25 |
| izaakk | Which I think is a good thing anyways | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | Ok. let's see if we can get some consensus | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | are both venues acceptable to those here on this meeting? +1 if so | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:27 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:27 |
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| mihalis68 | the max sizes are 150 for Digital Culture Center and 200 for Telmex Hub | 15:27 |
| izaakk | +1 | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 15:27 |
| shintaro | izaakk: do you know how many small rooms in both venues? | 15:28 |
| izaakk | I can get that info if is not in the doc today | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | ok. So we seem to have two venues acceptable to this meeting both in Mexico City | 15:28 |
| shintaro | the doc says "yes" for small rooms but not the numbers | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | right. I don't see any more info on those anywhere in the doc | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | Is there an advantage in travel and/or accommodation to either of the choices? | 15:29 |
| izaakk | Let's make a list of questions you have about the venue and I'll try to get in touch and answer them today if the info is not in the doc | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | works for me +1 | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:30 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | second request for todays meeting attendees to add their names to the list here : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:30 |
| emagana | I can do more research on the places, as Mexican and also as ex-citizen of Mexico City I can provide details on which place will make more sense | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | #info the meeting agrees both Digital Culture Center and Telmex Hub appear acceptable for the august mid-cycle operators meet up | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | that would be great emagana, thank you | 15:31 |
| mrhillsman | as we have done before, izaakk can you start thread with shintaro and mihalis68 and anyone else interested in inquiry or helping solidify Midcycle items | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | I propose we get updated final info on both venues to the mailing list this week (by Friday) in preparation for a vote this time next week on which venue. If we accept a venue then by implication mexico "wins" :) | 15:32 |
| mrhillsman | + emagana to that thread | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | please +1 if you agree with a vote next time we meet | 15:33 |
| izaakk | will do mrhillsman | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | +1 on vote | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | +1 from me obviously | 15:33 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:33 |
| izaakk | +1 | 15:33 |
| emagana | +1 | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | Ok. #mihalis68 to email the operators mailing list notifying them that we intend to vote on accepting a mexico city venue for the mid-cycle next week | 15:34 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | ok, we covered actions and quite a bit about mexico, any more on those? | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | #topic Boston | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | how's this going? | 15:35 |
| med_ | F'd'n just sent another blast-o-gram out trying to get folks to attend. | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | last we met, we were simply lacking some moderators. We saw above that's underway | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | schedule has been sent via MLs and posted to summit schedule | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | do you have the link handy? | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | moderator list posted and request to confirm/volunteer | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Forum | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | Thanks! | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | who here will be in Boston? | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | welcome sir | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:39 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:39 |
| med_ | o/ | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | excellent | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | I just restored a couple of agenda items from last week just in case anyone wished to discuss them | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | themed mid cycles and regional events | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | for those not following along, themed mid-cycles was an idea to mold mid-cycles to the region | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | I have been wondering if a global Midcycle may work | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | so for example if a mid-cycle was in Wash DC it might be openstack in government | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | oh, yes, let's start there :) | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | do we need a theme for Mexico? | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | hpc | 15:41 |
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| mihalis68 | I'll be honest, I don't know much about what the openstack community in mexico uses it for | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | is very popular for them from what I was told | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | but maybe we need to do some research | 15:42 |
| izaakk | That was on Guadalajara, in Mexico city there is bigger enterprise adoption mrhillsman | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | seems like a question to be added to the "questions for the mexico hosts" list | 15:42 |
| izaakk | and I think the team is helping us with the venues may provide more info about it | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | along with rooms, travel, accommodation differences | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | Ok, let's take this to an email discussion | 15:43 |
| izaakk | mihalis68: +1 | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:43 |
| shintaro | do you mean let the host select the theme? | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | we can provide info to all operators on whether the mexico city openstack gathering has a sufficiently clear theme to be worth us adopting it in the "marketing material" and/or name of event | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | what I think is most beneficial about these as I voiced from the beginning is the targeting | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | as mentioned, Wash DC would have an obvious theme, it has been suggested. I honestly don't know for Mexico City, however | 15:44 |
| shintaro | +1 sounds great | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | yeah if you have a theme you can go after specific communities with your outreach efforts | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | and would help OpenStack as a whole | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | #info 15 minutes left | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | I propose a decision on themed or not is made next week. Izaakk told us some more of the mexico city community will join us next week, right? | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | I'll start thread around this | 15:46 |
| izaakk | mihalis68: correct | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to initiate email thread on operators mailing list around whether to theme the august event | 15:46 |
| izaakk | start a thread and i'll include the Mexico city team | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | for example "openstack adoption in the Enterprise" | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | Great, thanks! | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | awesome | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | #topic regional events | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | I just remembered I had an action once to update the official operators wiki pages with a page or pages about regional events | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | tssk tssk. Not done | 15:47 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:48 |
| shintaro | ah yes | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to make a page to pull together all operators events (forum, mid-cycle and regional events too) | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | Ok. We have covered the agenda items I put up | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | anyone else wish to bring up a topic? | 15:48 |
| shintaro | none from me | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | I will put on agenda for next week but I'd really like to see more participation around all things Ops from everyone | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | so just some brainstorming on how | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | I feel that an accepted proposal for mexico city will be a nice thing to start getting word out about | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | having been to the US, Canada, Japan and Spain for openstack events I'm excited to meet the next new community | 15:50 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:51 |
| shintaro | same here | 15:51 |
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| mihalis68 | I feel like linking together the events this team plans and other events might break down some walls | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | hence my action | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | I find the openstack wiki quite a nice one | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | easy to learn, nice visual results | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | worth putting in some work | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | compared to ether pad and google docs which are always very chaotic in my opinion | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | I am just persuading myself to get the work done I promised here :) | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | we can put promotion of the openstack operators on the agenda for next week if you like mrhillsman | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | maybe we need some new recruits given that fifieldt seems to be AWOL and all the backspace and OSIC folks are at the very least dealing with reorgs | 15:53 |
| mihalis68 | last call or we can finish 5 minutes early this week | 15:54 |
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| mihalis68 | ok. We're done. See you all next week here, same time, same place. | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 15:54:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-18-15.03.html | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | thanks everyone! | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-18-15.03.txt | 15:54 |
| shintaro | bye | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-04-18-15.03.log.html | 15:55 |
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| med_ | thanks all. | 16:00 |
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| mihalis68 | i think i typed Rackspace and was auto-corrected into backspace. Sorry for that! | 16:03 |
| cnf | backrackspace | 16:03 |
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| mrhillsman | hehe, thanks mihalis68! | 16:07 |
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| mrhillsman | will add to agenda as suggested; got pulled away for a moment | 16:07 |
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| matt_jarvis | it's re-org central at the minute - same at Canonical which is one reason why I'm currently AWOL | 16:09 |
| mrhillsman | indeed :) | 16:10 |
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| mihalis68 | I took a stab at next weeks agenda : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 16:22 |
| mihalis68 | I'm sure this is a stressful time for all caught up in those events. We're thinking of you, hope it turns out for the best | 16:23 |
| mrhillsman | awesome, thx mihalis68 | 16:23 |
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| emagana | mrhillsman: ping! | 20:47 |
| mrhillsman | hey | 20:47 |
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| mrhillsman | emagana: pong | 20:48 |
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| mriedem | before i got and deprecate the TypeAffinityFilter in nova, any last shouts for someone that cares about it? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-April/013131.html | 20:59 |
| mriedem | klindgren: mdorman: mgagne: cburgess: med_: ^? | 20:59 |
| mriedem | s/got/go/ | 20:59 |
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| cburgess | mriedem Reading.. not sure I know what filter that even is. | 21:11 |
| cburgess | mriedem Kill it with fire. We don't use that filter for the very reasons you discussed (so happy that we are finally going to start returning whats in the instance record rather then an ID that is meaningless). | 21:13 |
| cburgess | mriedem Granted we also patch out the ability to "change" a flavor. All flavors are new flavors with a new ID to specifically address the fact that otherwise you have no clue what an instance actually is. | 21:13 |
| mriedem | cburgess: yeah it just means don't put 2 instances using m1.large on this host | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | where your m1.large flavor has a single flavor.id primary key that has never changed | 21:14 |
| cburgess | So thats one more custom patch we can drop in Pike+ | 21:14 |
| mriedem | "changed" as in you didn't delete m1.large and create a new m1.large | 21:14 |
| mriedem | that's slightly different | 21:14 |
| mriedem | or, change in the horizon sense | 21:14 |
| mriedem | edit flavor in horizon is a delete and recreate | 21:15 |
| cburgess | So what we do is we make it so that you can never "set" the ID of a flavor. | 21:15 |
| cburgess | The API always generates a new UUID. | 21:15 |
| cburgess | So you can't actually "update" a flavor. | 21:15 |
| cburgess | Just you get a new UUID. | 21:15 |
| mriedem | to be clear, this filter uses flavor.id, not flavor.flavorid | 21:15 |
| cburgess | we then make it so that deleted flavors are still visible. | 21:15 |
| mriedem | flavor.flavorid is the thing the user uses | 21:15 |
| mriedem | and specifies | 21:15 |
| cburgess | Right | 21:15 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filters/type_filter.py#L35 | 21:16 |
| mriedem | is literally the flavors.id primary key from the db | 21:16 |
| cburgess | Ew | 21:16 |
| cburgess | Even worse | 21:16 |
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| mdorman | mriedem: i have no objections to going forward with deprecation | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | cool, thanks | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | here is the patch to deprecate https://review.openstack.org/457812 | 22:17 |
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