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| zioproto | georgem1: yes it works | 09:10 |
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| zioproto | mriedem: if Belmiro from CERN is coming for sure he can moderate the Nova Cells session in Milano. | 09:11 |
| zioproto | Is anyone using LBaaS V1 in Neutron and had already figured out how to upgrade to LBaaS V2 or newer ? I just sent this email to devs: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113448.html | 09:12 |
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| arnewiebalck | zioproto mriedem: Belmiro won’t come to Milano. | 09:22 |
| zioproto | oh thats bad | 09:24 |
| zioproto | it would be nice to have an expert in Cells V2, because that is the default in Newton | 09:24 |
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| arnewiebalck | If you have specific points you’d like to see adressed I can tap his experience beforehand ;) | 09:26 |
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| mrhillsman | arnewiebalck if you can get Belmiro to add things to cover to the etherpad for the session that would be great | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-cellsv2 | 14:51 |
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| arnewiebalck | mrhillsman: sure | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | thank you! | 14:59 |
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| mrhillsman | unfortunately i will not be able to chair the meeting this morning | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | apologies for the late delay | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | meh | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | late notice | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | the agenda is here if anyone else can - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:00 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mrhillsman | -- #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | morning izaakk | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | i have to run unfortunately | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | will check the logs if the meeting goes forward as planned | 15:02 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:02 |
| fifieldt | hi - I am in another meeting for the first 10 minutes | 15:02 |
| fifieldt | sorry about that | 15:02 |
| fifieldt | mariano needs some approvals on printing | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | mrhillsman: ah, if belmoreira can cover cells v2 that would be great | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | gotta run lol but johnthetubaguy arnewiebalck will be in Milan and hopefully between arnewiebalck and belmoreira the conversation can move successfully and some action items can be pulled from it | 15:07 |
| mrhillsman | ttyl | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | mrhillsman: sounds like a plan is forming, great stuff | 15:07 |
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| mcunietti_ | hi all | 15:08 |
| VW | o/ | 15:08 |
| zioproto | hello all | 15:08 |
| VW | hey - it's johnthetubaguy!! | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | I just responded to your email mariani | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | mariano | 15:08 |
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| mcunietti_ | thanks mihalis68 | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | VW: hey, decided to lurk in here too :) | 15:08 |
| mcunietti_ | Hi John! we met in Milan on the last Openstack Day ;-) | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | has the meeting started? Sorry, I'm a bit late today | 15:09 |
| zioproto | yes I think the bot is already logging | 15:09 |
| mcunietti_ | fifieldt is around? | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | who is chairing today? | 15:09 |
| shintaro | he's in another meeting | 15:09 |
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| zioproto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:09 |
| mcunietti_ | ok can I share some updates for the incoming meetup? | 15:09 |
| zioproto | fifieldt: said he is coming back in 10 minutes | 15:09 |
| zioproto | mcunietti_: go ahead | 15:10 |
| mcunietti_ | shall we wait for him? guess so | 15:10 |
| mcunietti_ | ok | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | johnthetubaguy unfortunately I will not be in Milan but I can coordinate with arnewiebalck | 15:11 |
| mcunietti_ | everything is set. We have also found the evening event place, and it's nice | 15:11 |
| mcunietti_ | I was sick all the last week, and I lost some communications | 15:11 |
| mcunietti_ | the main mistake I did is NOT to share the free eventbrite passes that Tom sent me | 15:11 |
| mcunietti_ | the problem is they are expiring today, I guess at 24 PST time | 15:12 |
| zioproto | mcunietti_: from SWITCH we all have our tickets | 15:12 |
| mcunietti_ | I am rushing and sending them out right now | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | belmoreira: ah, cool. I am not their either I am afraid | 15:12 |
| zioproto | I mean we registered the 4 of us | 15:12 |
| mcunietti_ | here we are: if you ALREADY bought tickets, drop an email to fifieldt and he will refund you. Meanwhile, re-register with the free passes | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | There should be some free passes available somewhere. I believe some will have been set aside for Bloomberg but we aren't sending anyone | 15:13 |
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| mcunietti_ | thanks Chris I got it | 15:13 |
| zioproto | is the event sold out already ? | 15:13 |
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| mcunietti_ | let me check, I got the attendees list right now | 15:14 |
| mcunietti_ | 92 tickets sold | 15:14 |
| mcunietti_ | out of 100 available | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | wonderful! | 15:15 |
| mcunietti_ | but some of you are sponsors | 15:15 |
| mcunietti_ | yes, good indeed | 15:15 |
| mcunietti_ | next thing, the sponsorship fee | 15:15 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:15 |
| mcunietti_ | so far, we just got a payment from Nuage Networks | 15:15 |
| emccormick | hey all. Sorry for the late. Meeting ran over :( | 15:16 |
| mcunietti_ | if anyone needs to pay via wire transfer, you got the details in my first email | 15:16 |
| mcunietti_ | if you need to pay via credit card, please send me Full Company Name, Country, Address, Amount and (if any) VAT # | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | I verified that my colleague who has the payment authority for bloomberg is in the office today | 15:16 |
| mcunietti_ | thanks Chris, appreciate | 15:16 |
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| mihalis68 | If you don't get a response, feel free to email me again and I'll ring him, but it should not be necessary | 15:17 |
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| mihalis68 | I'm sorry I will not be attending. My wife is undergoing treatment for next 5 months | 15:18 |
| zioproto | mihalis68: sorry about that. | 15:18 |
| zioproto | mihalis68: I hope she gets soon better | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | thanks all. Just mentioning it as there is a reason I have to step back a little bit for a while. bloomberg still very much believes in these events | 15:19 |
| zioproto | mcunietti_: ping me if something blocks with the SWITCH invoice, but I guess the right people at SWITCH were in a mail loop | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | response from my colleague in your inbox, Mariano | 15:20 |
| fifieldt | hi | 15:20 |
| fifieldt | I am here now | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | Tom! | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | did you hash start meeting this meeting? | 15:21 |
| mcunietti_ | Hi there Tom | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | I was late arriving | 15:21 |
| fifieldt | sorry, had to go to opnfv meeting for a dww minutes | 15:21 |
| fifieldt | I did not | 15:21 |
| zioproto | Melvin did | 15:21 |
| zioproto | mrhillsman: did | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | hmm. he emailed that he can't facilitate. I'm confused | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | Oh i see he's here but only just? | 15:22 |
| zioproto | yes he did startmeeting and the he run away :) | 15:22 |
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| mihalis68 | so who will stand-in? I can | 15:23 |
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| mihalis68 | zioproto already posted #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:24 |
| zioproto | should be talk about the boston forum ? it is the next item in the agenda | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | please add your name to the attendee list | 15:24 |
| zioproto | for Milano I think we are all set | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | were actions reviewed? | 15:24 |
| mcunietti_ | one last thing | 15:25 |
| mcunietti_ | the agenda is not set! | 15:25 |
| mcunietti_ | we need to order prints, but looks like it is still open | 15:25 |
| zioproto | there is an excel file somewhere, let me look for it | 15:25 |
| fifieldt | was the agenda emailed out? I don;t remember seeing it | 15:25 |
| emccormick | I think the schedule won't change, but there are open holes we can fill in | 15:25 |
| mcunietti_ | moreover one of the sponsors asked for a slot for a talk, and he got no answer from anybody. So I would like to help him getting his slot. I added his talk in the etherpad, as the last topic | 15:26 |
| emccormick | Yeah Melvin has sent it a couple times | 15:26 |
| fifieldt | cool | 15:26 |
| mcunietti_ | the sponsor is Cloudbase Solutions, Alessandro Pilotti | 15:26 |
| zioproto | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:26 |
| shintaro | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | are they aware that promo talks are discouraged at these things? | 15:26 |
| mcunietti_ | I know and he's used to such things, but I dunno what to say | 15:26 |
| mcunietti_ | the agenda I got is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 15:27 |
| mcunietti_ | it's a tech talk, anyway | 15:27 |
| zioproto | what is this talk he wants to do about ? | 15:27 |
| emccormick | I think if you have to print it, It's fine as is. We may have some add-ons, but that's not uncommon | 15:27 |
| mcunietti_ | "Strategies for migrating workloads from VMware, AWS or Azure to OpenStack" is the title | 15:27 |
| mcunietti_ | it's about their new Openstack project, Coriolis | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | is this a big tent project? | 15:28 |
| mcunietti_ | an open source tool to migrate VMs between hypervisors | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | or at least official openstack? | 15:28 |
| mcunietti_ | and he's a very skilled tech | 15:28 |
| mcunietti_ | https://cloudbase.it/coriolis/ | 15:29 |
| mcunietti_ | don't know the answer, Chris | 15:29 |
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| emccormick | In github it sits under their own tree, but it appears to be opensource | 15:29 |
| mcunietti_ | here's Alessandro himself!!! | 15:29 |
| fifieldt | allesandro is a good one | 15:29 |
| zioproto | I found this reference https://www.openstack.org/news/view/233/cloudbase-solutions-announces-enterprise-cloud-migration-as-a-service | 15:29 |
| emccormick | though as with anything I'm sure they like to sell services | 15:29 |
| mcunietti_ | Ale, they're asking questions about Coriolis | 15:29 |
| alexpilotti | mcunietti_: ciao Mariano | 15:29 |
| mcunietti_ | Ale, can you explain if Coriolis is an Openstack project or under the big tent? | 15:30 |
| zioproto | alexpilotti: ciao Alessandro. We are discussing your request to get a slot to present something as a sponsor. We are afraid of this requests :D Will you just present your open source project ? I would be afraid all sponsors inthe future then will ask to present a product. | 15:31 |
| alexpilotti | Coriolis uses a significant number of bit tent projects oslo, keystone, barbican to name a few | 15:31 |
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| alexpilotti | it is not under OoenStack for the time being | 15:32 |
| alexpilotti | anyway, there was a communication issue about what the session had to be or not | 15:32 |
| zioproto | I am okay with sponsor presentations as long as the presentation is about a open source software. | 15:32 |
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| alexpilotti | that would be ok as the entire core engine of Coriolis is open source | 15:33 |
| zioproto | I think what everybody wants to avoid is 'business presentations' :) am I right ? | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | I think this is ok personally, but I would like the event attendees to comment (I can't go) | 15:33 |
| alexpilotti | alternatively, I could talk about OpenStack / Hyper-V / Windows | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | no offense to canonical, but we've been to the ubuntu-hoopla promo sessions at the summits and don't want those to crop up a lot at operators meetups, | 15:34 |
| emccormick | yeah, so long as it's a tech talk and not a biz talk I'm cool with it :) | 15:34 |
| mcunietti_ | Alessandro does only tech talks AFAIK | 15:34 |
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| alexpilotti | Being a tech guy, I really cant do biz talks even when I should :-D | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | when we arranged the NYC meet up, a canonical person wanted to moderate one on containerization. We established that it was general and open, not ubuntu-focused, so it was fine and she did a nice job | 15:35 |
| emccormick | eeeeexcellent | 15:35 |
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| mihalis68 | seems like no objections? | 15:35 |
| mcunietti_ | none for me! | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | #agreed coriolis talk seems fine | 15:36 |
| shintaro | No objection, but we don't have a big room left open. only room for 30ppl | 15:36 |
| alexpilotti | thanks guys | 15:37 |
| alexpilotti | would it be ok to have it on Thursday? | 15:37 |
| emccormick | thanks alexpilotti | 15:37 |
| emccormick | You pretty much have your pick of times Thursday | 15:37 |
| mcunietti_ | I think we'll have the exact same issue with Nuage Networks, another sponsor | 15:38 |
| emccormick | 10:50-11:30 is the only used slot for that room | 15:38 |
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| mcunietti_ | I was VERY CLEAR about the fact that talks should be approved by the community, but looks like no one liked this part | 15:38 |
| zioproto | SWITCH is the best sponsors, we did not ask for any talk :D | 15:38 |
| alexpilotti | emccormick mcunietti_: thanks guys, see you in Milano! | 15:38 |
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| mihalis68 | hey now... neither did we :) | 15:39 |
| zioproto | you are right ! :) | 15:39 |
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| mcunietti_ | :-) | 15:39 |
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| mcunietti_ | ciao Ale! | 15:39 |
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| zioproto | mcunietti_: you can always be polite and say that SWITCH and Bloomberg did not ask for a slot to present something to be sponsor. Lets try to avoid business or product presentatiosn | 15:40 |
| mcunietti_ | Giulio Barki from Nuage Networks is coming in this channel to discuss the issue | 15:40 |
| emccormick | On another MIL topic, Melvin suggested moderators should prod the list individually for their session etherpads. Is that OK or too spammy? | 15:40 |
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| zioproto | Looks like a good idea, it forces the people to look at the etherpads before the event | 15:41 |
| fifieldt | looks like it's been happening | 15:42 |
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| fifieldt | noone complained yet :) | 15:42 |
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| zioproto | mcunietti_: Nuage Networks is the last sponsor request that we have to discuss, or you have someone else in the list ? | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | if other mailing list subscribers are like me we can't read everything already so filter on topics | 15:42 |
| mcunietti_ | no more left, I swear | 15:43 |
| emccormick | ok I shall prod with tags. Is there an official list of tags somewhere? | 15:44 |
| emccormick | or just improvise? | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | mailman might have one. I can make them too, in theory | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | but no wiki page for ops ML like they have in dev <ML | 15:44 |
| mcunietti_ | I called Nuage them but they're unresponsive. | 15:46 |
| emccormick | ok we can table that. If they need a slot, we have plenty of open ones. It's not like anyone is forced to attend. I guess just tell them to keep it technical | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | Nuage is big in SDN with openstack, and therefore also openstack neutron. Sessions on SDN in general or neutron would be fine. A session on a single SDN solution would be too vendor-y | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | just one personal opinion | 15:48 |
| zioproto | I agree with mihalis68 | 15:48 |
| mcunietti_ | found it: line 209 of the etherpad | 15:49 |
| mcunietti_ | migrating to Modular ML2-Plugin from Monolithic - implications for SDN Third Party Vendors <christoph@nuagenetworks.net> - SDN Vendor | 15:49 |
| mcunietti_ | approved? :-) | 15:50 |
| mcunietti_ | i'm going to have a heart attack | 15:50 |
| zioproto | I guess is okay | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | I am not familiar with the tech unfortunately | 15:50 |
| zioproto | how long is this slot ? | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | it does seem on the surface general - 3rd party vendors | 15:51 |
| mcunietti_ | well guys, I think it's super technical talk | 15:51 |
| mcunietti_ | and it's in the lightning talks | 15:51 |
| fifieldt | lightning talks are short enough even a pitch could be ok :) | 15:51 |
| zioproto | sounds good, if we are not happy, we learn the lesson for the next ops meetup | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | for making progress here, I think it's fine | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | I think we need a canned "how a sponsor can give a talk at a meet up" explanation | 15:51 |
| mcunietti_ | if you want to get your tarts, better you approve it :-) | 15:51 |
| mcunietti_ | just joking obviously, no tarts here | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to draft a standard explanation of talks by sponsors | 15:52 |
| mcunietti_ | +1 mihalis68 | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | Mariano is your heart better now? | 15:53 |
| mcunietti_ | a lot more | 15:54 |
| zioproto | 5 minutes to the end of the meeting | 15:54 |
| zioproto | I think we did not cover all the agenda points | 15:54 |
| zioproto | I have no idea what is the themed-ops-midcycle | 15:54 |
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| mihalis68 | that's the talk about making mid-cycle meetups more audience specific e.g. a government theme when in Wash. DC | 15:55 |
| mihalis68 | or other places with a lot of government customers | 15:55 |
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| zioproto | ok | 15:56 |
| zioproto | I am not sure I understood | 15:56 |
| mcunietti_ | I need a deadline to lock the agenda | 15:56 |
| mihalis68 | this meeting ended up a bit uncoordinated. With 3 minutes to go: any urgent business remaining? | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | how about end of this week? | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | does that work for printing lead times? | 15:57 |
| mcunietti_ | just need to know when the agenda will be "locked" | 15:58 |
| mcunietti_ | ok | 15:58 |
| zioproto | we still need a moderator for the keystone session ? | 15:58 |
| mcunietti_ | deal done for friday, 9AM CET time | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | ok | 15:58 |
| mcunietti_ | that is midnight PST | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | I'll email the mailing list with this info | 15:58 |
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| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to email operators ML with deadline for Milan agenda lock-down | 15:59 |
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| mihalis68 | someone want to volunteer to find keystone moderator or do it? | 15:59 |
| mihalis68 | <1 m left | 15:59 |
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| zioproto | I will try to find one | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | #action zioproto to try find keystone moderator for Milan | 16:00 |
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| mihalis68 | last call for any more points? | 16:00 |
| zioproto | I send an email to mrhillsman as soon as I find the moderator | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | ok | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | ok I hope I can hash end meeting | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | thanks to all for attending | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| mihalis68 | hmmm... no meetbot response | 16:01 |
| emccormick | maybe you can't end it since Melvin started it? | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | yeah | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | #chair mihalis68 | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| mihalis68 | nope... :| | 16:02 |
| emccormick | heh | 16:02 |
| mcunietti_ | thank you all! see you next week!! | 16:02 |
| emccormick | well I guess shoot him an email and tell him to try ending it when he can | 16:02 |
| emccormick | Thanks for all the hard work mcunietti_ | 16:03 |
| mihalis68 | email sent | 16:03 |
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| mihalis68 | #chair | 16:06 |
| mihalis68 | I think nobody did start that meeting after all | 16:06 |
| mihalis68 | which would be why it's not minuted | 16:06 |
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| christx2 | hola | 16:21 |
| christx2 | want to propose an overview of ML2 monolithic to Modular plugin migration, rational | 16:21 |
| christx2 | for Milan Itlay | 16:21 |
| christx2 | Italy | 16:21 |
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| christx2 | okay, bye | 16:24 |
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| erhudy | klindgren: was it you who recently mention you were using DVR and having lots of problems with OVS? or maybe it was just OVS problems in general without DVR | 18:58 |
| erhudy | s/mention/mentioned/ | 18:59 |
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| mdorman_ | erhudy: yeah that was us, i think (I work with klindgren ) we don’t use DVR but have had some ovs issues lately | 19:03 |
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| erhudy | ah, thanks | 19:06 |
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| klindgren | yea - we dont use DVR, but we were having major issues with OVS 2.5.x in a LACP bonding and not correctly handling flooded unicast traffic (IE unknown unicast) | 19:06 |
| klindgren | where it would loop traffic back out the other bond member, causing maclearns | 19:06 |
| erhudy | ah right | 19:07 |
| erhudy | i have been fishing around for any intermediate steps that can get us off nova-network multi-host and onto neutron without jumping all the way to calico right away, but every time i start looking into things again i run into the buzzsaw of people complaining about OVS | 19:08 |
| klindgren | linux bridge? | 19:08 |
| erhudy | the challenge with linuxbridge is we'd have to restructure the clusters to do dedicated network nodes and it's adding bottlenecks where currently none exist | 19:10 |
| erhudy | right now all the HVs in a cluster are on the network edge with no network SPOFs | 19:11 |
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| erhudy | it feels like every possibility for what i can do with vanilla neutron is a step back in one way or another, even DVR | 19:11 |
| erhudy | hence the interest in calico, but using calico requires using BGP and that means a change in contract with the network infrastructure, so i'm trying to find a way of leaving nova-network behind that doesn't involve a contract chang | 19:12 |
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| mdorman_ | erhudy: do you need to do tenant networks? we actually just drop all vms directly onto a real vlan/provider network so we don’t have any routers or network nodes | 19:41 |
| mdorman_ | i guess we also don’t do floating IPs the normal NAT way (we just route them), so you’d still have to have something somewhere doing the natting for floating ips | 19:42 |
| erhudy | since it's a private cloud putting everything directly onto a provider network is fine, but we want to retain floating IPs as well so that people can assign stable IPs if they need to | 19:46 |
| mdorman_ | yup, yup. | 19:47 |
| erhudy | are you using routed racks or spanning L2? | 19:48 |
| mdorman_ | routed racks. the L2 scope stops at the TOR switch. everything beyond that is all routed | 19:49 |
| mdorman_ | so we inject static routes into the network for hte floating IP, with a next hop of the fixed IP of the vm it’s associated to | 19:49 |
| erhudy | each rack has its own flat network scope for the provider network, or it's done on the underlay with tunnels or something? | 19:49 |
| erhudy | the attractiveness of calico to us is being able to use BGP to distribute static host routes everywhere so that we can get off spanned L2, so i'm open to other ideas on accomplishing it without that | 19:50 |
| mdorman_ | right, yeah. no we don’t span L2 anywhere. so each rack has it’s own neutron network. we do some scheduling tricks in nova so that if a vm is scheduled to a particular rack, it also gets a port on that network. said another way, users don’t get the choose what network they get put on. and we also don’t provide any guarantee around L2 adjacency for VMs. we tell people we guarantee L3 connectivity and that’s it. | 19:52 |
| mdorman_ | so if people really need L2 then they have to do their own tunneling | 19:52 |
| erhudy | ahhh tricks | 19:53 |
| erhudy | i don't want people to be able to create their own networks either, because most of our customers are not really networking-minded | 19:54 |
| erhudy | just dropping everyone on a flat provider network is attractive | 19:54 |
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| mrhillsman | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 20:16 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 20:16:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:16 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 08:59:45 mrhillsman unfortunately i will not be able to chair the meeting this morning | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 08:59:49 mrhillsman apologies for the late delay | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 08:59:52 mrhillsman meh | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 08:59:55 mrhillsman late notice | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:00:09 mrhillsman the agenda is here if anyone else can - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:00:23 izaakk o/ | 20:16 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:01:36 mrhillsman -- #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:01:41 mrhillsman morning izaakk | 20:16 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:02:00 mrhillsman i have to run unfortunately | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:02:12 mrhillsman will check the logs if the meeting goes forward as planned | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:02:18 shintaro hi | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:02:28 fifieldt hi - I am in another meeting for the first 10 minutes | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:02:31 fifieldt sorry about that | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:03:36 fifieldt mariano needs some approvals on printing | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:04:34 johnthetubaguy mrhillsman: ah, if belmoreira can cover cells v2 that would be great | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:07:17 mrhillsman gotta run lol but johnthetubaguy arnewiebalck will be in Milan and hopefully between arnewiebalck and belmoreira the conversation can move successfully and some action items can be pulled from it | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:07:29 mrhillsman ttyl | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:07:46 johnthetubaguy mrhillsman: sounds like a plan is forming, great stuff | 20:17 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:05 mcunietti_ hi all | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:07 VW o/ | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:09 zioproto hello all | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:13 VW hey - it's johnthetubaguy!! | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:15 mihalis68 I just responded to your email mariani | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:19 mihalis68 mariano | 20:17 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:29 mcunietti_ thanks mihalis68 | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:08:37 johnthetubaguy VW: hey, decided to lurk in here too :) | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:00 mcunietti_ Hi John! we met in Milan on the last Openstack Day ;-) | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:12 mihalis68 has the meeting started? Sorry, I'm a bit late today | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:23 zioproto yes I think the bot is already logging | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:26 mcunietti_ fifieldt is around? | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:38 mihalis68 who is chairing today? | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:38 shintaro he's in another meeting | 20:17 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:48 zioproto #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:53 mcunietti_ ok can I share some updates for the incoming meetup? | 20:17 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:09:58 zioproto fifieldt: said he is coming back in 10 minutes | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:10:43 zioproto mcunietti_: go ahead | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:10:43 mcunietti_ shall we wait for him? guess so | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:10:51 mcunietti_ ok | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:11:10 belmoreira johnthetubaguy unfortunately I will not be in Milan but I can coordinate with arnewiebalck | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:11:11 mcunietti_ everything is set. We have also found the evening event place, and it's nice | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:11:31 mcunietti_ I was sick all the last week, and I lost some communications | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:11:54 mcunietti_ the main mistake I did is NOT to share the free eventbrite passes that Tom sent me | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:12:16 mcunietti_ the problem is they are expiring today, I guess at 24 PST time | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:12:25 zioproto mcunietti_: from SWITCH we all have our tickets | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:12:27 mcunietti_ I am rushing and sending them out right now | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:12:32 johnthetubaguy belmoreira: ah, cool. I am not their either I am afraid | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:12:33 zioproto I mean we registered the 4 of us | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:13:01 mcunietti_ here we are: if you ALREADY bought tickets, drop an email to fifieldt and he will refund you. Meanwhile, re-register with the free passes | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:13:13 mihalis68 There should be some free passes available somewhere. I believe some will have been set aside for Bloomberg but we aren't sending anyone | 20:18 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:13:31 mcunietti_ thanks Chris I got it | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:13:47 zioproto is the event sold out already ? | 20:18 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:14:43 mcunietti_ let me check, I got the attendees list right now | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:14:53 mcunietti_ 92 tickets sold | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:14:58 mcunietti_ out of 100 available | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:05 mihalis68 wonderful! | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:08 mcunietti_ but some of you are sponsors | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:13 mcunietti_ yes, good indeed | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:44 mcunietti_ next thing, the sponsorship fee | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:49 emccormick o/ | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:15:57 mcunietti_ so far, we just got a payment from Nuage Networks | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:16:07 emccormick hey all. Sorry for the late. Meeting ran over :( | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:16:18 mcunietti_ if anyone needs to pay via wire transfer, you got the details in my first email | 20:18 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:16:42 mcunietti_ if you need to pay via credit card, please send me Full Company Name, Country, Address, Amount and (if any) VAT # | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:16:44 mihalis68 I verified that my colleague who has the payment authority for bloomberg is in the office today | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:16:54 mcunietti_ thanks Chris, appreciate | 20:19 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:17:26 mihalis68 If you don't get a response, feel free to email me again and I'll ring him, but it should not be necessary | 20:19 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:18:01 mihalis68 I'm sorry I will not be attending. My wife is undergoing treatment for next 5 months | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:18:40 zioproto mihalis68: sorry about that. | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:18:55 zioproto mihalis68: I hope she gets soon better | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:19:18 mihalis68 thanks all. Just mentioning it as there is a reason I have to step back a little bit for a while. bloomberg still very much believes in these events | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:19:31 zioproto mcunietti_: ping me if something blocks with the SWITCH invoice, but I guess the right people at SWITCH were in a mail loop | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:20:14 mihalis68 response from my colleague in your inbox, Mariano | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:20:51 fifieldt hi | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:20:53 fifieldt I am here now | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:20:55 mihalis68 Tom! | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:12 mihalis68 did you hash start meeting this meeting? | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:14 mcunietti_ Hi there Tom | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:15 mihalis68 I was late arriving | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:15 fifieldt sorry, had to go to opnfv meeting for a dww minutes | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:20 fifieldt I did not | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:21:51 zioproto Melvin did | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:22:14 zioproto mrhillsman: did | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:22:25 mihalis68 hmm. he emailed that he can't facilitate. I'm confused | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:22:36 mihalis68 Oh i see he's here but only just? | 20:19 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:22:39 zioproto yes he did startmeeting and the he run away :) | 20:19 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:23:42 mihalis68 so who will stand-in? I can | 20:19 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:24:15 mihalis68 zioproto already posted #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:24:16 zioproto should be talk about the boston forum ? it is the next item in the agenda | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:24:23 mihalis68 please add your name to the attendee list | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:24:28 zioproto for Milano I think we are all set | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:24:49 mihalis68 were actions reviewed? | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:05 mcunietti_ one last thing | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:11 mcunietti_ the agenda is not set! | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:23 mcunietti_ we need to order prints, but looks like it is still open | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:34 zioproto there is an excel file somewhere, let me look for it | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:50 fifieldt was the agenda emailed out? I don;t remember seeing it | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:25:55 emccormick I think the schedule won't change, but there are open holes we can fill in | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:06 mcunietti_ moreover one of the sponsors asked for a slot for a talk, and he got no answer from anybody. So I would like to help him getting his slot. I added his talk in the etherpad, as the last topic | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:07 emccormick Yeah Melvin has sent it a couple times | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:28 fifieldt cool | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:28 mcunietti_ the sponsor is Cloudbase Solutions, Alessandro Pilotti | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:35 zioproto #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit?usp=sharing | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:36 shintaro #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:37 mihalis68 are they aware that promo talks are discouraged at these things? | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:26:57 mcunietti_ I know and he's used to such things, but I dunno what to say | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:27:03 mcunietti_ the agenda I got is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:27:20 mcunietti_ it's a tech talk, anyway | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:27:24 zioproto what is this talk he wants to do about ? | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:27:45 emccormick I think if you have to print it, It's fine as is. We may have some add-ons, but that's not uncommon | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:27:57 mcunietti_ "Strategies for migrating workloads from VMware, AWS or Azure to OpenStack" is the title | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:28:16 mcunietti_ it's about their new Openstack project, Coriolis | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:28:24 mihalis68 is this a big tent project? | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:28:31 mcunietti_ an open source tool to migrate VMs between hypervisors | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:28:34 mihalis68 or at least official openstack? | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:28:39 mcunietti_ and he's a very skilled tech | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:12 mcunietti_ https://cloudbase.it/coriolis/ | 20:20 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:22 mcunietti_ don't know the answer, Chris | 20:21 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:25 emccormick In github it sits under their own tree, but it appears to be opensource | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:30 mcunietti_ here's Alessandro himself!!! | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:31 fifieldt allesandro is a good one | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:39 zioproto I found this reference https://www.openstack.org/news/view/233/cloudbase-solutions-announces-enterprise-cloud-migration-as-a-service | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:41 emccormick though as with anything I'm sure they like to sell services | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:41 mcunietti_ Ale, they're asking questions about Coriolis | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:29:55 alexpilotti mcunietti_: ciao Mariano | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:30:21 mcunietti_ Ale, can you explain if Coriolis is an Openstack project or under the big tent? | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:31:40 zioproto alexpilotti: ciao Alessandro. We are discussing your request to get a slot to present something as a sponsor. We are afraid of this requests :D Will you just present your open source project ? I would be afraid all sponsors inthe future then will ask to present a product. | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:31:41 alexpilotti Coriolis uses a significant number of bit tent projects oslo, keystone, barbican to name a few | 20:21 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:32:16 alexpilotti it is not under OoenStack for the time being | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:32:44 alexpilotti anyway, there was a communication issue about what the session had to be or not | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:32:49 zioproto I am okay with sponsor presentations as long as the presentation is about a open source software. | 20:21 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:33:26 alexpilotti that would be ok as the entire core engine of Coriolis is open source | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:33:48 zioproto I think what everybody wants to avoid is 'business presentations' :) am I right ? | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:33:48 mihalis68 I think this is ok personally, but I would like the event attendees to comment (I can't go) | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:33:59 alexpilotti alternatively, I could talk about OpenStack / Hyper-V / Windows | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:34:20 mihalis68 no offense to canonical, but we've been to the ubuntu-hoopla promo sessions at the summits and don't want those to crop up a lot at operators meetups, | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:34:22 emccormick yeah, so long as it's a tech talk and not a biz talk I'm cool with it :) | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:34:45 mcunietti_ Alessandro does only tech talks AFAIK | 20:21 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:35:08 alexpilotti Being a tech guy, I really cant do biz talks even when I should :-D | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:35:18 mihalis68 when we arranged the NYC meet up, a canonical person wanted to moderate one on containerization. We established that it was general and open, not ubuntu-focused, so it was fine and she did a nice job | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:35:19 emccormick eeeeexcellent | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:35:43 -- saneax is now known as saneax-_-|AFK | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:35:49 mihalis68 seems like no objections? | 20:21 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:36:14 mcunietti_ none for me! | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:36:31 mihalis68 #agreed coriolis talk seems fine | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:36:36 shintaro No objection, but we don't have a big room left open. only room for 30ppl | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:37:01 alexpilotti thanks guys | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:37:19 alexpilotti would it be ok to have it on Thursday? | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:37:25 emccormick thanks alexpilotti | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:37:58 emccormick You pretty much have your pick of times Thursday | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:38:07 mcunietti_ I think we'll have the exact same issue with Nuage Networks, another sponsor | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:38:23 emccormick 10:50-11:30 is the only used slot for that room | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:38:37 mcunietti_ I was VERY CLEAR about the fact that talks should be approved by the community, but looks like no one liked this part | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:38:56 zioproto SWITCH is the best sponsors, we did not ask for any talk :D | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:38:58 alexpilotti emccormick mcunietti_: thanks guys, see you in Milano! | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:39:09 mihalis68 hey now... neither did we :) | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:39:17 zioproto you are right ! :) | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:39:41 mcunietti_ :-) | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:39:48 mcunietti_ ciao Ale! | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:40:30 zioproto mcunietti_: you can always be polite and say that SWITCH and Bloomberg did not ask for a slot to present something to be sponsor. Lets try to avoid business or product presentatiosn | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:40:31 mcunietti_ Giulio Barki from Nuage Networks is coming in this channel to discuss the issue | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:40:44 emccormick On another MIL topic, Melvin suggested moderators should prod the list individually for their session etherpads. Is that OK or too spammy? | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:41:50 zioproto Looks like a good idea, it forces the people to look at the etherpads before the event | 20:22 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:42:00 fifieldt looks like it's been happening | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:42:11 fifieldt noone complained yet :) | 20:22 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:42:47 zioproto mcunietti_: Nuage Networks is the last sponsor request that we have to discuss, or you have someone else in the list ? | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:42:50 mihalis68 if other mailing list subscribers are like me we can't read everything already so filter on topics | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:43:16 mcunietti_ no more left, I swear | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:44:00 emccormick ok I shall prod with tags. Is there an official list of tags somewhere? | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:44:08 emccormick or just improvise? | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:44:27 fifieldt mailman might have one. I can make them too, in theory | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:44:48 fifieldt but no wiki page for ops ML like they have in dev <ML | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:46:19 mcunietti_ I called Nuage them but they're unresponsive. | 20:23 |
| ducttape_ | mrhillsman - why is my nic getting dumped in here so much ??? | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:47:46 emccormick ok we can table that. If they need a slot, we have plenty of open ones. It's not like anyone is forced to attend. I guess just tell them to keep it technical | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:47:49 mihalis68 Nuage is big in SDN with openstack, and therefore also openstack neutron. Sessions on SDN in general or neutron would be fine. A session on a single SDN solution would be too vendor-y | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:48:12 mihalis68 just one personal opinion | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:48:21 zioproto I agree with mihalis68 | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:49:52 mcunietti_ found it: line 209 of the etherpad | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:49:54 mcunietti_ migrating to Modular ML2-Plugin from Monolithic - implications for SDN Third Party Vendors <christoph@nuagenetworks.net> - SDN Vendor | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:50:03 mcunietti_ approved? :-) | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:50:15 mcunietti_ i'm going to have a heart attack | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:50:46 zioproto I guess is okay | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:50:48 mihalis68 I am not familiar with the tech unfortunately | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:50:58 zioproto how long is this slot ? | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:03 mihalis68 it does seem on the surface general - 3rd party vendors | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:04 mcunietti_ well guys, I think it's super technical talk | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:10 mcunietti_ and it's in the lightning talks | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:29 fifieldt lightning talks are short enough even a pitch could be ok :) | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:30 zioproto sounds good, if we are not happy, we learn the lesson for the next ops meetup | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:30 mihalis68 for making progress here, I think it's fine | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:54 mihalis68 I think we need a canned "how a sponsor can give a talk at a meet up" explanation | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:51:56 mcunietti_ if you want to get your tarts, better you approve it :-) | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:52:08 mcunietti_ just joking obviously, no tarts here | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:52:17 mihalis68 #action mihalis68 to draft a standard explanation of talks by sponsors | 20:23 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:52:19 mcunietti_ +1 mihalis68 | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:53:18 mihalis68 Mariano is your heart better now? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:54:01 mcunietti_ a lot more | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:54:08 zioproto 5 minutes to the end of the meeting | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:54:15 zioproto I think we did not cover all the agenda points | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:54:36 zioproto I have no idea what is the themed-ops-midcycle | 20:24 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:55:05 mihalis68 that's the talk about making mid-cycle meetups more audience specific e.g. a government theme when in Wash. DC | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:55:16 mihalis68 or other places with a lot of government customers | 20:24 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:56:47 zioproto ok | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:56:53 zioproto I am not sure I understood | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:56:53 mcunietti_ I need a deadline to lock the agenda | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:57:07 mihalis68 this meeting ended up a bit uncoordinated. With 3 minutes to go: any urgent business remaining? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:57:47 mihalis68 how about end of this week? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:57:56 mihalis68 does that work for printing lead times? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:00 mcunietti_ just need to know when the agenda will be "locked" | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:10 mcunietti_ ok | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:22 zioproto we still need a moderator for the keystone session ? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:24 mcunietti_ deal done for friday, 9AM CET time | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:35 mihalis68 ok | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:38 mcunietti_ that is midnight PST | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:58:46 mihalis68 I'll email the mailing list with this info | 20:24 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:59:01 mihalis68 #action mihalis68 to email operators ML with deadline for Milan agenda lock-down | 20:24 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:59:37 mihalis68 someone want to volunteer to find keystone moderator or do it? | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 09:59:42 mihalis68 <1 m left | 20:24 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:01 zioproto I will try to find one | 20:24 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:16 mihalis68 #action zioproto to try find keystone moderator for Milan | 20:25 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:28 mihalis68 last call for any more points? | 20:25 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:34 zioproto I send an email to mrhillsman as soon as I find the moderator | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:37 mihalis68 ok | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:48 mihalis68 ok I hope I can hash end meeting | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:00:51 mihalis68 thanks to all for attending | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:01:01 mihalis68 #endmeeting | 20:25 |
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| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:01:24 mihalis68 hmmm... no meetbot response | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:02:02 emccormick maybe you can't end it since Melvin started it? | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:02:10 mihalis68 yeah | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:02:16 mihalis68 #chair mihalis68 | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | 2017-03-07 10:02:20 mihalis68 #endmeeting | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 20:25 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 20:25:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-03-07-20.16.html | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-03-07-20.16.txt | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | if you are getting a message apologies, trying to fix issue from this morning | 20:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-03-07-20.16.log.html | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | it is a bit slow, should work though, i gave bot too much at once :) | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | there was a misunderstanding about the meeting this morning | 20:25 |
| mrhillsman | i am capturing the logs but did not know joins and exits were included so apologies | 20:25 |
| mdorman_ | erhudy: yeah it’s mostly worked well for us, other than horsing around with a separate neutron network per rack. there is some segmented network support in neutron now that should allow you to do a single network made up of disjoint L2 segments. but i think what’s missing there still is floating ip support | 20:27 |
| klindgren | erhudy, what release are you on? | 20:28 |
| erhudy | just finished upgrading the last of our kilo clusters to liberty, mitaka is in the pipeline but that'll be the end of the road for these trusty-based clusters | 20:28 |
| klindgren | I was going to say you should look at the routed-network stuff, assuming you are on a newer release. All the nova-scheduling stuff I htink was suppose to land in ocata. The neutron being able to handle a network that is a collection of provider networks. | 20:29 |
| erhudy | i don't plan on reworking the networking on our existing clusters | 20:29 |
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| klindgren | I think that stuff made it into N | 20:29 |
| erhudy | we will be putting some engineering effort into xenial for the next generation of clusters, which will be ocata at minimum | 20:29 |
| erhudy | though by the time any of us find time to do it we might be looking at pike | 20:30 |
| klindgren | I believe HP was working on being able to "route" ips on a routed network using PGB | 20:30 |
| klindgren | but I think they blew up before that actually got implemented | 20:30 |
| klindgren | BGP* | 20:30 |
| erhudy | that's effectively what calico does, you have BIRD peered with BGP on your switches and it injects lots of host static routes that way | 20:32 |
| klindgren | We might actually take that on and make that work upstream. As we would like to distribute the routed ip's via BGP rather than via | 20:32 |
| klindgren | static route additions | 20:32 |
| erhudy | so that you can have VMs with IPs in the wrong subnet for the rack they're in, but the traffic makes it there anyway because of the static routes | 20:32 |
| erhudy | it's a bit brute force but seems effective if you're willing to accept the tradeoffs | 20:33 |
| erhudy | and the added complexity of having to deploy etcd and BIRD | 20:35 |
| mdorman_ | yeah if we were starting over from scratch right now, calico is pretty attractive. we’ve talked to them a few times about our use case, it’s a pretty good match.. but not worth the effort of nuke and paving what we have now | 20:41 |
| klindgren | my concern with the BGP stuff, is that if you break etcd/bird - you are going to withdrawl all the routes. | 20:41 |
| klindgren | so a systemic control plane issue could cause a massive dataplane outage. | 20:42 |
| klindgren | I am not sure if you can configure the switches to not withdraw routes if it looses a bgp peer, or if you could configure a long enough timeout to make that effectively a non-issue | 20:43 |
| erhudy | a fair concern, one of the strong upsides of nova-network has always been that even in the total absence of the control plane individual HVs and their instances will just keep on trucking | 20:43 |
| erhudy | but, it's dead and buried now and we are one of a dwindling number of operators still using it, so one way or another we need to finalize an escape plan | 20:45 |
| logan- | klindgren: yeah we run graceful restart bgp extensions to allow for restarts of bird/temporary bgp peer loss without route withdrawl | 20:45 |
| klindgren | yea - my fear is more like what happens when etcd blows up, or a networking change causes the servers to be unable to establish a bgp session | 20:47 |
| klindgren | or something more in line with that failure mode. IE its a control plane issue. | 20:48 |
| klindgren | that causes VM connectivity to go away | 20:48 |
| logan- | right | 20:48 |
| klindgren | which makes everyone very un happy | 20:48 |
| mdorman_ | if bgp ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy | 20:49 |
| klindgren | my xp has always been people dont really care about control plane failures. As long as their VM's dont see an impact (stay network available) they could (for the most part) care less if the API's were down for 1-2 hours. | 20:49 |
| klindgren | some people might be unhappy that their ci/cd tasks failed because it couldn't kick a vm build or something | 20:49 |
| erhudy | my experience as well | 20:50 |
| erhudy | people mutter a bit if the API calls fail, but everyone will sure as hell notice if they suddenly lose all their SSH connections and can't get back on | 20:50 |
| logan- | yeah, fwiw my data plane reliability with calico has been great. 2 separate peering sessions announcing to 2 diff networks, and have not had any issues with etcd cluster state (down, unhealthy) causing data plane impact | 20:52 |
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| klindgren | logan-, is that doing an etcd/bird session per HV? or are you more centralized than that? IE a few control plane servers that talk to a few switches? | 21:07 |
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| logan- | etcd cluster members on control nodes, etcd proxies on each HV, and bird on each HV with 2 v4 and 2 v6 peers on each HV | 21:14 |
| logan- | the control nodes (neutron-server etc) does not participate in the bgp | 21:15 |
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| logan- | so the computes advertise only the routes they are responsible for to the ToR | 21:19 |
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