Tuesday, 2017-02-21

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openstackgerritJake Yip proposed openstack/osops-tools-generic master: Remove compute_node_stats from list of tables to manage  https://review.openstack.org/43631906:11
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zioprotohello there13:00
zioprotois eveyone at the PTG, or we have some people here ? :)13:01
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zioprotojust wondering if my cloud is super slow, or if `openstack server list` can take up to 5 seconds for anyone13:02
zioprotohaving just 3 instances in my tenant13:02
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yankcrimezioproto: does your user have an admin role assigned by any chance?14:10
zioprotoyankcrime, no14:11
yankcrimezioproto: i've definitely seen nova's api become laggy due to stale data in the db that needs purging14:12
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yankcrimenot sure if that's the problem in your case or not, but might be one avenue for investigation14:12
zioprotowell, if I use curl to list servers or to get a token14:14
zioprotoI always get reasonable response time14:14
zioprotolike 200ms14:14
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zioprotobut the openstack client and horizon are really slow14:14
yankcrimeadd --debug to the client, is it hitting any other uris that might account for why it's slow?14:14
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nicodemus_hello14:39
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nicodemus_does anybody know if windows server 2016 is supported in KVM? I'm only seeing it supported on Hyper-V platforms...14:39
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mihalis68anyone around who will be in the OS operators meetup in 15 minutes?14:46
mihalis68meetup team meeting14:46
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yankcrimemihalis68: yeah i'll be in attendance today - which channel is it in?14:46
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yankcrime(not that i'm a part of the meetup team but i was going to tag along anyway...)14:46
mihalis68this channel. I normally make every one but am on vacation today and can't really do it14:46
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yankcrimeah righto14:46
mihalis68just here now to send apologies14:46
mihalis68I see fifieldt is here now, so we're in good hands! :)14:47
yankcrime:)14:47
fifieldtprovided the thin glass tubes linking me to this machine stay alive, all good :)14:48
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mrhillsmanmorning folks14:48
yankcrimeo/14:49
fifieldtmoaning14:49
mrhillsmansurely your machine is not that bad you have to moan about it fifieldt14:49
fifieldtfifieldt@docwork2:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model | tail -n 114:50
fifieldtmodel name: AMD Opteron 62xx class CPU14:50
yankcrimenice, quite the vintage14:51
fifieldtthe killer is the latency to where I am actually sitting14:51
fifieldtrtt min/avg/max/mdev = 224.039/225.220/226.065/0.795 ms14:51
yankcrimesomewhere exotic i hope?14:52
mrhillsman:(14:52
yankcrimelol14:52
mrhillsmani hope as well14:52
mrhillsmanthen the latency is worth it14:52
fifieldtI'm at home :P14:52
yankcrimenothing that mosh can't help with! ;)14:52
fifieldtproblem is, ISP didn't do a good job keeping their IP space clean ... freenode's gone and blocked 'em14:52
fifieldt<3 mosh14:53
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fifieldthow are you all?14:53
yankcrimei'm good14:54
yankcrimegetting excited about milan \o/14:54
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mrhillsmandoing good as well14:54
fifieldtwin :) going to tack on a day or two ? :)14:54
yankcrimeyup14:54
mrhillsmansame here14:55
yankcrimei'll be arriving on sunday, then flying back on the friday14:55
mrhillsmanthough not much, coming in a day early14:55
fifieldtlucky you :)14:55
yankcrimeif anyone's arround for beers then shout14:55
mrhillsmansame14:55
mrhillsmanbut will be attending pwg midcycle14:55
fifieldtI'll be in on sunday prior too - for the same reason14:55
fifieldtairport friday14:55
rockygI haven't made arrangements yet, but sounds like I should get in by Sunday afternoon :-)14:56
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mrhillsmansurely we can grab a refreshment or two in spite of :)14:56
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fifieldthi shintaro14:57
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shintarohi fifildt14:58
shintarofifieldt!14:58
fifieldthow are you sir?14:58
mrhillsmanjust want to thank you folks who are up late to accommodate this meeting14:58
shintarosleepy ;)14:58
fifieldtmrhillsman: btw, check out : https://www.openstack.org/foundation/user-committee/14:58
mrhillsmannice :)14:59
rockygoh, yeah,  Congrats mrhillsman !!!14:59
shintarocongrats!14:59
mrhillsmanthanks!14:59
mrhillsman#startmeeting Ops Meetup Team15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 21 15:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'15:00
izaakko/15:00
VWo/15:00
raddaouio/15:00
shintaroo/15:01
mrhillsmanhey everyone, thanks for joining15:01
fifieldto/15:01
mrhillsmanAgenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team15:01
mrhillsman#topic Review last week's action items15:01
mrhillsman#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-02-14-15.01.html15:01
emccormicko/15:02
mrhillsmani still need to get feedback from Rackspace on evening event15:02
shintaroI've updated the agenda for Milano15:02
fifieldtI emailed mariano the discount codes15:02
fifieldtand updated the eventbrite to list all the sponsors I knew of15:02
izaakkshintaro: +215:03
fifieldtI saw mihalis68 did send the email to the oppos list15:03
mrhillsmanawesome, yep, saw that as well15:03
fifieldtI saw mariano did email sponsors15:03
mrhillsmanalso emccormick sent an email15:03
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emccormickaye. twas done15:04
mrhillsmancool, so looks like we are caught up15:04
mrhillsmananything missing from last week's items?15:04
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mrhillsmani don't think my eyes are lying to me15:04
fifieldtlooks good15:04
mrhillsmanmoving on to Mila15:04
mrhillsmanMilan15:05
mrhillsman#topic Milan15:05
mrhillsmanso looks like we need to keep bugging folks to register15:05
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fifieldtmrhillsman: I think a key thing some people are waiting for is the draft agenda :)15:05
mrhillsmandid we get any communications directly to user groups in close proximity to Milan15:05
fifieldtI vaguely remember reg shoots up after that is out15:05
mrhillsmanah ok15:05
emccormickthat 71 includes no sponsor people, right?15:06
mrhillsmanMilan Agenda #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=200605463515:06
fifieldtmrhillsman: great minds think alike - I looked up the group today ... don't think we've pinged them yet ... which si a good idea ./.. but I saw mariano is an organiser :)15:06
emccormickor is that total?15:06
fifieldtemccormick: no sponsor codes given out so far15:06
fifieldtbut some of the Enter folks kindly paid their way15:06
fifieldton the whole, scanning the list, loks like solid openstack cloud ops :)15:07
mrhillsmannice15:07
mrhillsmanfifieldt you want to ping the user group(s) in the area, i can otherwise15:07
mrhillsmanunless someone else wants to :)15:07
fifieldtsince Mariano isn't here, guess we shoukld15:07
fifieldthttps://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-User-Group-Italia/15:07
fifieldthttp://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-it15:08
mrhillsmanawesome15:08
mrhillsmanany takers?15:08
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mrhillsman#action mrhillsman reach out to local Milan usergroup15:09
mrhillsmanso regarding the agenda15:09
mrhillsmani see structure is good, thx shintaro and izaakk15:09
mrhillsmanbut there are some holes15:10
mrhillsmanso we definitely need to fill and get out to ML yes?15:10
VWsi15:10
mrhillsmancould very well be my fault but i think there was 4 of us to do that15:10
mrhillsmanand i was supposed to send an email15:11
mrhillsmancan we do that this week because Enter has to get things started for printing on 3/315:12
fifieldtsometimes having a less-than-perfect schedule sent out to the ML is a good way to find the ways of making it perfect :)15:12
mrhillsmanright on15:12
VWagreed15:12
mrhillsmanany volunteers?15:13
emccormickJust send it out as is?15:14
mrhillsmanyeah15:14
emccormickI can send it out. Just say it's a draft agenda?15:14
yankcrimei think it'd be worth just sending out something that states what we're definitely looking to cover, along with maybe a draft agenda15:14
fifieldtbasically it involves copy/pasting the spreadsheet into an email, and/or linking to the google doc, with some text that explains the ops meetup and ask for feedback15:14
mrhillsmanand i am guessing just state we are rounding out the last bits15:14
mrhillsmancool15:14
mrhillsman#action emccormick send agenda as is to ML15:15
fifieldtMatt, Nick and myself took some time to take our suggestions from the etherpad and attempted to wrangle them into something that would fit in the space we have over 2 days.15:15
fifieldt As a reminder, we have two different kind of sessions - eneral Sessions, which are discussions for the operator community aimed to produce actions (eg best practices, feedback on badness), and Working groups focus on specific  topics aiming to make concrete progress on tasks in that area. As always, some stuff has been munged and mangled in an attempt to fit it in so please take a look at the below and reply with15:15
fifieldt^ there's some text15:15
* yankcrime nods15:15
mrhillsmanawesome15:15
mrhillsmananything else on Milan?15:15
mrhillsman#topic Fall Midcycle15:16
fifieldtor spring, for the southern hemisphere :P15:17
emccormickTY fifieldt15:17
mrhillsmanizaakk and i spoke this week, he got in touch with the folks at Intel's Guadalajara office15:17
mrhillsmanfifieldt you're right :)15:17
mrhillsman#topic Mid-year Midcycle15:18
fifieldtemccormick: just fwd'd you that entire email for your reference15:18
* VW thinks fifieldt plans his travel so it's always Spring where ever he is15:18
mrhillsmanwe simply have to provide them something that explains the benefit of them hosting15:18
emccormickfifieldt: Thanks!15:18
mrhillsmanthey are really big in HPC field15:18
mrhillsmanwhich brought about something that we may have to table15:19
mrhillsmanhaving a theme for the Midcycle15:19
fifieldtVW - being able to select seasons = worth it :)15:19
VWyeah - that's probably a big debate15:19
mrhillsmanwhile not cutting sessions that are not part of the theme15:19
fifieldtooh, HPC themed midcycle?15:19
mrhillsmanor any other theme15:19
fifieldtwe should get Flanders and SciWG in here15:19
mrhillsmanbut going that direction with the Midcycle15:20
mrhillsmanso when in a particular region15:20
mrhillsmanwe discussed that maybe it will help attract folks from the region/area15:20
mrhillsmanas well as get local hosts/sponsors to be more inclined to assist15:21
mrhillsmanbut again, not cut out other topics/sessions15:21
VWbut will it turn folks away too?15:21
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mrhillsmanquite possible VW but i do not think it is impossible not to either way15:22
VWfair enough15:22
izaakkWe can do like the usual, just add a panel and 1 session about the local interest15:22
fifieldtI have one data point. Over in Australia, they held an OpenStack Day in a particular city that's basically a Government town. They themed it up as government and it worked quite well. Probably got 30% extra folks they wouldn't normally get from the particular sector15:22
mrhillsmanbut agree that it would be good to go with the one that does the least harm15:22
VWI just want to make sure we honor or intent to make the mid-cycles a way to get operators engaged with the community - especially if they never have any other way15:23
mrhillsmanso we can table it i think but would like to definitely discuss15:23
shintaroyeah Australia Gov day seemed interesting15:23
fifieldt+1 VW15:23
mrhillsman+1 VW and that was part of the discussion15:24
mrhillsmanif we were in Guadalajara, they are big on HPC15:24
mrhillsmanso having a high focus/encouragment on HPC while not forcing out other stuff is the hope of the discussion15:24
mrhillsmanif possible15:24
emccormickif we were going to do the themed thing, we might have to go put the hard sell on a few people to come that might not otherwise15:24
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mrhillsmanbut let's table it15:25
mrhillsmanthat is the update from Mexico as potential host15:25
emccormicklike if it's Sci / HPC, we'd probably want to nag Tim Bell and maybe the one with the big telescopes from the last summit15:25
fifieldtI guess one critical thing in thinking about this is the local knowledge - we'd be looking to the potential host to provide the information about what the region is like and what is likely to attract/distract local folks15:25
yankcrimea good thing to do would be to try and tease out operational issues that the hpc community might have solved or have experience of that would help other operators15:25
mrhillsman^15:25
fifieldtThe other thing you can do is have different communications to different segments. Tricky, but doable15:25
shintarofew dedicated sessions or track for the local ops would be great15:25
yankcrimeso on one hand you have it slightly hpc themed, but in a way that's applicable and useful to all15:25
mrhillsmanso seems like this is a great discussion to have15:26
mrhillsmanwill hopefully provide an update about Mexico next week from Intel side15:26
mrhillsmanlooking at the time, any other questions about Mid-year?15:27
emccormickmove along15:27
mrhillsman#topic Boston Forum15:28
fifieldtI left some notes on the etherpad here15:28
mrhillsmanfifieldt ...15:28
mrhillsmanyep, anything outside of that?15:28
fifieldtwould recommend http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-forum/ if you've not read it15:28
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fifieldtbut basically, as written, we're doing etherpads for topic brainstorming15:29
mrhillsmanForum Overview #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-forum/15:29
fifieldtjust like we've done for all the ops meetups15:29
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fifieldtHowever, aim at the forum is to be a neutral place15:29
fifieldtso we want to get topics that are of interest to all kinds of community member15:29
fifieldtreally looking to this group for help to get some amazing sessions written up15:30
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mrhillsmanthat article helps explain it very well fifieldt thx for that, read it yesterday15:30
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fifieldtThe brainstorming will run from Feb 27 for 2 weeks15:30
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fifieldtIn theory, during this time, we're +1/-1ing things like crazy15:30
fifieldtand gaining community consensus15:30
fifieldtthen the best ones will have abstracts written up, moderators chosen and that submitted more formally15:30
fifieldthow's that sounding so far?15:31
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emccormick+115:31
mrhillsman+115:31
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mrhillsmananything else on the Boston Forum folks?15:32
fifieldtwell, no immediate rage, that's relieving :)15:32
mrhillsman:)15:32
zioprotohello15:32
mrhillsmanhey zioproto15:32
zioprotoI just arrived now at they keyboard15:32
shintarodo we have ops meetup in Boston? or just Forum?15:32
fifieldtjust the Forum15:32
mrhillsmanjust Forum15:32
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shintarook15:32
mrhillsmanmoving on :)15:33
fifieldtI see it as our job to make sure there's enough content in the Forum that's interesting for ops that this is OK15:33
fifieldtmaybe even more content than the Ops meetup in the past :)15:33
fifieldtwe should be able to do a lot more, considering the key developers are now more freely available to chat with us ^_^15:33
fifieldtit's a big change, and I'm happy to take any private questions or concerns via email too15:34
mrhillsmansweet, thx fifieldt15:34
zioprotosorry for arriving late. For Milano I went on meetup.com and I wrote to the organizers of the Italian Openstack Meetup to ask to spam their stackers about the event. I had no response. I did the same for switzerland, and I know emails there have been sent out. Anyone that has contacts like this in Europe should do the same :)15:34
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mrhillsmanthx zioproto15:35
mrhillsmanwe were discussing that earlier15:35
mrhillsmanyou did that this past week?15:35
zioprotoyes I did it about last wednesday15:35
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zioprotohow many people are registered ?15:36
fifieldt7115:36
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mrhillsmanemccormick is going to send the agenda out so maybe that will encourage folks to signup/register and give feedback15:36
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zioproto#action saverio subscribe to http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-it and write an email there15:37
zioprotothe meetup group I have already done it but I had not response15:37
mrhillsmanty sir15:37
mrhillsman#topic Regional event discussions15:37
fifieldtadded this here, becuase I thought we could talk about how to better support (smaller?) ops events alongside other things such as OpenStack days15:39
fifieldtno real thoughts yet, was seeking feelings from others15:39
fifieldtone such example is the success in Japan15:39
emccormickHow did you go about getting the ops track stuff strapped on to it?15:40
shintaroAs for the Tokyo Day, we have not started any discussions yet :)15:40
emccormickThey're doing the Openstack East thing again this year. In DC this time, tentatively 8/22 - 8/2315:40
fifieldtunderstood :) For context, in the past, there was an ops event in Tokyo next to OpenStack day, and also one in Okinawa15:40
shintaroWe have one dedicated room for Ops15:40
shintarofor two days15:40
emccormickThat's the thing that was in town when our midcycle was NYC15:40
mrhillsman^15:41
emccormickshintaro: Did it run like our midcycles, or is it more presentation oriented?15:41
yankcrimehmm, interesting - i'm helping to organise the next openstack days uk, i'll take that into consideration - especially as we wanted to introduce some more 'hand-on' stuff into the agenda15:42
shintarotry to follow the same style and went really good15:42
shintarowe have long list of etherpad15:42
mrhillsmanjust throwing this out there15:43
mrhillsmanshintaro did you all follow-up on the etherpads15:43
mrhillsmanlike were they there - from previous mid-cycle - and you all commented/discussed15:43
mrhillsmantotally new stuff15:43
mrhillsmanor mix of both15:43
shintarowe've listed our own agenda but basically similar topics from mid-cycles15:45
mrhillsmanor etherpads collected from more than just ops mid-cycle; things you all chose to talk about15:45
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mrhillsmangot it15:45
shintaro#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/JP-Ops-workshop15:45
shintarothis was the very first one15:45
emccormickI will ping the Openstack East guys about trying to set something up there.15:46
mrhillsmannice15:46
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shintarothe second one was more active #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/JP-Ops-workshop-215:46
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mrhillsmando we want to work on developing a process / workflow around this?15:47
emccormickWell, we talked about codifying our process on a Wiki at one time. If we had that to share, we should be able to point folks at it.15:49
mrhillsmannothing overly strict but some high level plan of action to present to the OSDs leaders15:49
mrhillsmancool15:49
emccormickand offer a minion from this WG to attend an occasional meeting to help. Like fifieldt does for us plebes ;)15:49
mrhillsmanagreed15:50
mrhillsmananything else for the day?15:50
shintarohaving some common topics to discuss in local ops would be great15:50
mrhillsman10 minutes left15:50
mrhillsmani think that will help mid-cycles in the long run as well15:51
mrhillsmans/that/this15:51
emccormickWe do tend to have a lot of repeat sessions that should suit. Deployment, Logging, Monitoring, Neutron Sucks, etc.15:51
mrhillsmani c what you did there15:51
emccormickA list of topic ideas could go on the wiki15:51
mrhillsmandefinitely15:52
emccormick;)15:52
shintaro+115:52
mrhillsmanlots of stuff covered today15:52
mrhillsmananything else folks15:52
fifieldtsleep15:53
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shintaro+115:53
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mrhillsmanalright, going to end it15:53
mrhillsmanthanks all for attending and for the great discussions15:53
mrhillsman#endmeeting15:53
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shintarothanks15:53
mrhillsmanbe sure to follow-up via the ML for anything15:54
mrhillsmangot to run to a meeting...rest well othersideoftheworlders15:54
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zioprotomail sent http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-it/2017-February/000074.html15:57
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klindgrenIs anyone here running ovs 2.5.1 in a bond with  LACP enabled and mode: balance-slb - Having issues with intermittent connectivity?17:35
klindgrenEven better if you are are using it against Cisco Nexus 3k switches :-D17:36
klindgrenHaving an issue where in that mode after upgrading OVS, we periodically get issues where the gateway does not respond to pings/arp or pass traffic.17:37
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mriedemfor anyone at the ptg we're talking about hierarchical quotas in georgia 4 on level 120:04
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mriedemhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-hierarchical-quotas20:06
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