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| beddari | erhudy: the fact collection as implemented in kolla does just doesn't make sense at all | 08:07 |
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| beddari | fairly easy to reason about why: if you approach immutable-ish infrastructure systems there's really just two types of "facts" ... static ones, and runtime ones. For the static ones, you'd need to have some form of central repo, db or the like that keeps them all. Runtime facts are those you design to be changing after deployment, e.g the number of nodes in a cluster, based on load or whatever. | 08:11 |
| beddari | This is best implemented through service discovery. Kolla does not have a notion of how these are different. | 08:11 |
| beddari | kolla-ansible ^ | 08:11 |
| beddari | what I'm describing I imagine is close to klindgren's flat files when it comes to the static part | 08:13 |
| beddari | klindgren: "what's the cells rabbitmq" is something I'd use service discovery for. For us that'd be consul. | 08:14 |
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| erhudy | it's a problem we face now with our legacy in-house chef stuff, the fact that service discovery and config management are both facets of chef node search | 14:16 |
| erhudy | which is really slow and not dynamic | 14:17 |
| erhudy | added a host? time to rechef the entire cluster | 14:17 |
| beddari | mmm, the sooner you get out of that, the better, imo | 14:17 |
| erhudy | well, yes | 14:17 |
| beddari | prebuilt images is the largest win you can have easy | 14:17 |
| beddari | :) | 14:17 |
| beddari | build once, deploy x | 14:17 |
| erhudy | we're trying to move away from doing things in-house and leveraging kolla instead, because it will at least help us move in the right direction wrt containerization | 14:18 |
| beddari | except that ... I don't think you'll get away from doing it inhouse ... yet | 14:18 |
| beddari | (or ever, perhaps) | 14:18 |
| erhudy | there will always be pieces we have to do in-house to accommodate our own way of doing things and our environments | 14:18 |
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| erhudy | but i don't feel compelled to reinvent the wheel and write a whole bunch of dockerfiles ourselves | 14:19 |
| erhudy | whether kolla-ansible is suitable for deployments at scale is a related but separate question | 14:19 |
| beddari | so, we're doing it incrementally, using Packer to build images AND containers from the same sources | 14:19 |
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| beddari | rewriting everything from scratch, yes, from our Puppet module base | 14:20 |
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| beddari | no Dockerfiles in sight ;) ... so rewriting the Puppet, using Ansible for placing images and/or containers on infra hosts | 14:21 |
| beddari | same tooling, much better approach for us | 14:21 |
| beddari | crucial thing is that we're able to reuse almost all of our hieradata tree in two parallell envs with different approaches. the current prod env, which is going to be replaced, reads from the same hieradata. | 14:23 |
| beddari | for the new env we are using Puppetfiles per role, instead of a global one, in order to loosen depenecies ... and ansible to push even puppet code updates down, puppet apply, no puppetmaster ... | 14:24 |
| zioproto | hello all | 14:25 |
| beddari | but with the requirement to build containers from the same source we've had to rewrite most all the modules so they can run in both "build" and "runtime" duties | 14:25 |
| beddari | hi :) | 14:25 |
| erhudy | ultimately we have to move forward somewhere, and progress is always going to be incremental | 14:25 |
| erhudy | i am trying very hard to avoid second system syndrome | 14:25 |
| beddari | in our space (standing up services) I don't think that's going to be easy :) outside reusing some components | 14:26 |
| beddari | the current puppet modules are perhaps, with their shortcomings, the best example I have of shared infrastructure code actually working | 14:26 |
| beddari | but for us they're no longer relevant for what we're doing so :-\ | 14:27 |
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| Adri2000 | hello | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | hiya | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | hello! | 14:57 |
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| zioproto | hello | 14:57 |
| Adri2000 | was wondering if there are more informations about the ops midcycle in Milano, besides https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 14:58 |
| zioproto | Adri2000: starting a meeting about it here in 2 minutes | 14:58 |
| Adri2000 | like when will registration be possible | 14:58 |
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| zioproto | anyone from enter.it is in the room ? | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | Adri2000: registration is opening as soon as my colleagues get the eventbrite up | 14:58 |
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| fifieldt | sincere apologies for the delay, they've all been very busy with the PTG and the Summit :( | 14:59 |
| Adri2000 | zioproto: ahhh, great :) I did see that on the wiki page, but it doesn't seem to be in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 14:59 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | hello everyone. It is now time to start the meeting. who would like to chair? | 15:00 |
| Adri2000 | fifieldt: no worries :) I'll stay for the meeting anyway so I know what's going on regarding the organization | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | I am able to do so unless someone else would like to | 15:00 |
| zioproto | Adri2000: you are right, weird | 15:00 |
| raddaoui | O/ | 15:00 |
| zioproto | I can do it | 15:00 |
| VW | howdy | 15:00 |
| zioproto | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | zioproto: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | do hash startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:01 |
| zioproto | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 15:01:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zioproto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:01 |
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| zioproto | great | 15:01 |
| zioproto | so, we have an etherpad agenda ? | 15:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
| fifieldt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:01 |
| fifieldt | thank you so much for staying up so late shintaro | 15:02 |
| shintaro | NP :) | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | Yes thank you. I feel this time slot has been working better | 15:02 |
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| mihalis68 | but I realize it's hard on you shintaro | 15:02 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:03 |
| shintaro | once a week is ok | 15:03 |
| fifieldt | I have been informed that we will have an eventbrite within 20 minutes | 15:03 |
| shintaro | great! | 15:03 |
| zioproto | yahoo | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | fantastic. All hail tom | 15:04 |
| zioproto | I had a look at the etherpad for Milano and there are a lot of topics | 15:04 |
| zioproto | should we review the topics ? | 15:04 |
| belmoreira | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:05 |
| zioproto | Session ideas | 15:05 |
| fifieldt | in the past, I liked to start by making a list of the session ideas sorted by popularity | 15:05 |
| fifieldt | basically counting the +1s | 15:05 |
| zioproto | I think that is already on the etherpad | 15:06 |
| zioproto | looking at the etherpad we have for sure containers | 15:06 |
| mperazol | might be good to identify what could be consolidated together too | 15:06 |
| zioproto | Upgrades patches packaging | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | I'm attempting to retrospectively establish the agenda as you run the meeting, zioproto | 15:07 |
| shintaro | I see the google spreadsheet ready to put in sessions, wow. | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | I would +1 containerization as up there in top 5 topics, maybe top 3 | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | so where are we working on the topics at the moment? I'm lose in etherpads | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | lost* | 15:08 |
| zioproto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:08 |
| zioproto | shintaro: can you link the google spreadsheet ? | 15:08 |
| Adri2000 | I think we need to split the containers topics. basically kolla and magnum are different, openstack in containers VS containers on openstack | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 15:08 |
| zioproto | Adri2000: +1 | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | ^^ this google spreadsheet? | 15:09 |
| shintaro | thanks fifieldt | 15:09 |
| mrhillsman | finally made it | 15:09 |
| zioproto | yes this looks what I was looking for | 15:09 |
| mrhillsman | dang 90 day password resets | 15:09 |
| zioproto | so we start to fill the sheet ? | 15:10 |
| zioproto | with the main stage column ? | 15:10 |
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| zioproto | I would say Openstack in Containers has the most +1 | 15:11 |
| shintaro | we used column J first to select the topics | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | I am not +1ing the ether pad because we cannot attend, however we are now actively looking into jumping to openstack in containers via Kolla | 15:12 |
| zioproto | wow my screen was too small :) | 15:12 |
| zioproto | mihalis68: we are also ! | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | oh very good! My guys landed one or two minuscule contribs alrady | 15:12 |
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| zioproto | I have comment only access, please add packaging and patching | 15:13 |
| mperazol | kolla and openstack-ansible should probably be discussed together, and when to choose which, level of maturity, future integration possibilities, etc. | 15:13 |
| izaakk | Containers session includes kolla-kubernetes? | 15:13 |
| zioproto | Containers session is too wide | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | who is the google doc admin, Tom? | 15:14 |
| zioproto | lets make a session called openstack with koll | 15:14 |
| zioproto | kolla | 15:14 |
| zioproto | and a session called openstack magnugm | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | I'll be interested in hearing how a Kolla session went | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | or openstack in containers | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | containers on openstack | 15:14 |
| izaakk | mrhillsman: +1 | 15:14 |
| mperazol | I like mrhillsman approach better too +1 | 15:15 |
| fifieldt | hi, me | 15:15 |
| fifieldt | who needs addeing? | 15:15 |
| zioproto | me | 15:15 |
| fifieldt | just pm me your gmail address | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | zioproto needs write privilege it seems | 15:15 |
| zioproto | I sent a request | 15:15 |
| fifieldt | ok, done | 15:16 |
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| fifieldt | also done for s3an2 | 15:16 |
| s3an2 | fifieldt, thanks | 15:16 |
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| fifieldt | ok | 15:18 |
| fifieldt | so | 15:18 |
| fifieldt | at the very bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:18 |
| shintaro | I've added sessions with more than 2 +1s | 15:18 |
| fifieldt | I did a very quick ranking of topics by number of +1s | 15:18 |
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| fifieldt | just in case we needed it | 15:18 |
| fifieldt | I can migrate those counts into the spreadsheet if you would prefer it there | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | Has this etherpad had enough visibility to date? | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | the link was fwded to the operators mailing list | 15:19 |
| zioproto | I think it did looking at the number of +1s on the containers stuff | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | but I imagine we could do more | 15:19 |
| fifieldt | according to the timeslider, 41 people have edited the etyherpad | 15:19 |
| zioproto | we can circulate the link again with the eventbrite, the agenda is not set in stone | 15:20 |
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| mihalis68 | sounds good | 15:20 |
| zioproto | #action circulate again the link of the etherpad with the Eventbrite link | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | I think the eventbrite being available makes it seem real | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | ;) | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | you have to action a person I believe | 15:20 |
| VW | amen to reality via eventbrite | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | you can action me zioproto if you want | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | or someone else who would like to :) | 15:21 |
| zioproto | #action mrhillsman circulate again the link of the etherpad with the Eventbrite link | 15:21 |
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| zioproto | mcunietti_: hey there | 15:21 |
| mcunietti_ | hi Saverio | 15:21 |
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| zioproto | mcunietti_: we are defining the agenda of Milano #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 15:21 |
| mcunietti_ | I wandered through all channels trying to remember which one was the right one | 15:22 |
| mcunietti_ | calendar says meeting-3 | 15:22 |
| zioproto | we feel is time to have the eventbrite so people are registering | 15:22 |
| zioproto | @fifieldt are you on this ? | 15:22 |
| mcunietti_ | yes definitely | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | he said about 20 minutes | 15:23 |
| mrhillsman | it would be up | 15:23 |
| mcunietti_ | we still need to address the lunch sponsorship | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | one bit of news, we're sponsoring badges and signs. Mario is in touch with the suitable person at my company (Bloomberg) | 15:23 |
| fifieldt | hi :) | 15:23 |
| mcunietti_ | yes mihalis68 thanks | 15:23 |
| mrhillsman | i will ping Rackspace side unless they have reached out to you mcunietti_ | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | I have thrown together an agenda now, based on whatever feels unfinished from previous meetings | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | Milan planning could eat up all our time, but if possible those other things could do with a quick check-in | 15:24 |
| fifieldt | can I get an action to email particiopants from UK meetup with the eventbrite link once it's open? | 15:25 |
| fifieldt | or, feedback on who we should email from our list of past participants | 15:26 |
| zioproto | UK meetup ? what is that ? I did not understand the question | 15:26 |
| mcunietti_ | mrhillsman: no contacts from Rackspace so far | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | thx mcunietti_ will reach out again for update | 15:26 |
| fifieldt | zioproto: last year we had an ops meertup in manchester | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | i'll send you an email today on status | 15:26 |
| fifieldt | some of those people might be interested in coming to Milano | 15:26 |
| VW | I would say UK meetup participants and anyone lists of active participants from BCN ops activiteis | 15:26 |
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| zioproto | fifieldt: ok sure ! now I got it ! | 15:26 |
| fifieldt | VW: active participants as in AUC, or maybe the ops moderators from BCN? | 15:27 |
| mrhillsman | quick check-in regarding intel, we met for an hour, intel has some action items, will meet again 2/10, if anyone wants to be on the email thread we have let me know | 15:27 |
| fifieldt | awesome | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | yes please | 15:27 |
| mcunietti_ | fifieldt: one question about prints: is the Foundation providing all the material to be printed or are we supposed to do some graphics? | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | (re: intel) | 15:27 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 15:27 |
| zioproto | I am forwarding the eventbrite link to the Scientific WG folks as soon the link is out | 15:28 |
| VW | yeah, fifieldt - I don't know the exact list. I'm just assuming that we had a lot of EU folks around. If we captured that data anywhere, we should spread the word on this mid-cycle tot hem | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | can only the chair hash action people? | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | i believe so | 15:28 |
| fifieldt | mcunietti_: I asked the same busy colleagues this question. If we're happy with what we had in NYC, then I hope the templates to be reusable | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | #action checking | 15:28 |
| fifieldt | assuming we didn't want to do graphics if we didn't have to | 15:28 |
| mcunietti_ | ok great, please keep me posted about it | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | #action mihalis68 checking if i can | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | zioproto can you hash action tom to email previous attendees/organisers | 15:28 |
| fifieldt | good point VW - I can actuallyu use the summit reg data | 15:29 |
| fifieldt | maybe, if I am careful | 15:29 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 15:29 |
| zioproto | #action fifieldt email previous attendees and organizers | 15:29 |
| fifieldt | cheers zioproto | 15:29 |
| zioproto | #action zioproto email Scientific WG operators to join the milan event | 15:29 |
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| VW | sounds good fifieldt - figure we push hard amongst the folks most likely to be able to get there | 15:29 |
| mrhillsman | worst case parse etherpads and grab emails listed there? python? | 15:29 |
| fifieldt | ack | 15:29 |
| zioproto | should we finalize a draft of the spreadsheet during this meeting ?? | 15:30 |
| mcunietti_ | a bit ambotious I guess | 15:31 |
| mcunietti_ | ambitious | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | not to be a pain, but I doubt it's possible | 15:31 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68, can we mention Bloomberg as a sponsor on the eventbrite? | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | it is a lot of work | 15:31 |
| fifieldt | also mcunietti_ what is your preferred way to mention Enter - is it EnterIT or ENTER or ... ? | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | I'll email you the contact who handles all such questions right now | 15:31 |
| fifieldt | thanks mihalis68 | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | oh actually Tom in your inbox already you are cc:ed on an email chain entitled "Bloomberg sponsorship of signs and badges for operators meetup (milan)" | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | Kevin is our guy | 15:32 |
| mcunietti_ | it's Enter Cloud Suite, usually it's Enter's logo followed by "CloudSuite" | 15:32 |
| zioproto | do we have any friday event in Milano to attach for people coming from oversea ? | 15:32 |
| fifieldt | thanks mcunietti_ will use this | 15:33 |
| mcunietti_ | https://www.entercloudsuite.com/en/ | 15:33 |
| fifieldt | in the eventbrite case it's text only | 15:33 |
| mcunietti_ | ok Enter Cloud Suite then | 15:33 |
| fifieldt | done | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | emailed the Q. to Kevin re: Bloomberg cc: you tom (and mario) | 15:34 |
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| fifieldt | thanks mihalis68 | 15:35 |
| mcunietti_ | mihalis68: Mariano please :-) | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | oops, sorry! | 15:35 |
| mcunietti_ | no worries, happens all the time | 15:35 |
| fifieldt | sorry for sidetrtacking your meeting zioproto | 15:35 |
| fifieldt | are we going back to the agenda? | 15:35 |
| zioproto | no problem | 15:35 |
| zioproto | do we have any friday thing to suggest for who travers from another continent ? | 15:36 |
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| fifieldt | that would be quite cool! | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | re: Bloomberg sponsorship Q. for Eventbrite "Yes, it can refer to us as a sponsor, in text form only (no logo usage)." | 15:36 |
| fifieldt | done | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | perhaps someone who is attending the event could volunteer to try to pull together an event for friday? | 15:37 |
| zioproto | mcunietti_: if your folks in Milano have any idea for some Friday event let us know | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | it need not involve commitment of resources. Just leading a discussion is helpful | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | and building up a list of interested parties | 15:37 |
| zioproto | I would be interested in staying also the Friday if we organize something usefull | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | in the meanwhile, shall we have a quick run through other agenda items? | 15:38 |
| zioproto | sure | 15:38 |
| mcunietti_ | anyone skiing here? that would be great and still a good season to ski on the Alps | 15:38 |
| zioproto | @mcunietti_ you are a genius ! :) | 15:39 |
| mcunietti_ | I know :-) | 15:39 |
| zioproto | difficult to organize the logistic for everyone | 15:39 |
| zioproto | we change topic ? | 15:39 |
| mcunietti_ | I know a lot of venues on the Dolomites (best place in the world to ski) or in Valle D'Aosta, close to the French border | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | actions now? | 15:39 |
| zioproto | tooling ? | 15:39 |
| zioproto | #topic tooling | 15:40 |
| zioproto | what is this topic ? | 15:40 |
| zioproto | :) | 15:40 |
| zioproto | tools to do what ? | 15:40 |
| fifieldt | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-midcycle-meetup-tickets-31450068000 <-- please check this | 15:40 |
| mcunietti_ | fifieldt: one last question: in order to answer to Bloomberg on their offer, I need to know timely what we are going to print. Please action yourself to remind the Foundation to provide material if any | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | So I've complained that the tools for running this team are fractured - lots of ether pads, os.org wiki, google docs, email, irc logs | 15:40 |
| fifieldt | maybe don't register yet in case we need to delete and restart, but check the content :) | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | in the past Tom has had some ideas on ways forward on that | 15:41 |
| zioproto | yes you are right, also Adri2000 noticed it | 15:41 |
| fifieldt | yessir mcunietti_ | 15:41 |
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| mihalis68 | I guess no news on tooling | 15:41 |
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| fifieldt | I deas yes | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | I had a couple of actions, I'll just get it out: no progress on the wiki page for pulling together all our events, but will do it this week | 15:42 |
| fifieldt | but no progress | 15:42 |
| fifieldt | sorry | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | the other action was to to try to get sponsorship - done! | 15:42 |
| mcunietti_ | thanks fifieldt :-) | 15:42 |
| mcunietti_ | about Eventbrite: no reference to hotel accomodation? | 15:43 |
| zioproto | it is on the etherpad already | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | yes, awesome to see the eventbrite Tom! | 15:43 |
| fifieldt | Thank Erin Disney :) | 15:43 |
| fifieldt | I will fix up something with the acomodations | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | cool, other than that, looks good! | 15:44 |
| zioproto | where is the link to the eventbrite ? | 15:44 |
| mcunietti_ | zioproto: the etherpad is not referenced in the Eventbrite | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-midcycle-meetup-tickets-31450068000 | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | I will fix the etherpad link | 15:44 |
| shintaro | Eventbrite: so the cap is 100? | 15:44 |
| mrhillsman | should be 200 | 15:44 |
| zioproto | I updated the etherpad | 15:45 |
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| fifieldt | we're reserving 30 tickets for the sponsors | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | I'm not sure about 200 | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | we did discuss the numbers previously | 15:45 |
| fifieldt | so it's 130 at the moment | 15:45 |
| mrhillsman | oh yeah, forgot, we knocked that donw | 15:45 |
| mrhillsman | apologies | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | the venue is not capable of 200 | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | no worries | 15:45 |
| mcunietti_ | 100 participants + 30 sponsors | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | yes, sounds like what I remember us agreeing | 15:46 |
| mcunietti_ | since they pay, there's no need to allocate extra slots | 15:46 |
| mcunietti_ | or is it? | 15:46 |
| mcunietti_ | I think 150 can be reasonable | 15:46 |
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| mcunietti_ | to reach 130 | 15:46 |
| fifieldt | we need to 'sell' more tickets than the venue capacity | 15:47 |
| Adri2000 | how many people attended in Manchester? | 15:47 |
| fifieldt | because a certain fraction don't show | 15:47 |
| fifieldt | but having a conservative cap to begin with is fine | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | I can see this in the minutes from december: "Decision on 130 cap, 100 on eventbrite with remainder for sponsors and additional" | 15:48 |
| mcunietti_ | are you getting a warning from EB when you hit the cap^ | 15:48 |
| mcunietti_ | ? | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | marked hash decision | 15:48 |
| fifieldt | I belive so, but it goes to colleageuys rather thn me | 15:48 |
| zioproto | so can we go ahead and buy our ticket ? | 15:48 |
| mcunietti_ | can you "pull" this information periodically in order to adjust the cap? | 15:48 |
| zioproto | and advertise the link ? | 15:49 |
| fifieldt | yes mcunietti_ | 15:49 |
| mcunietti_ | are "residents" supposed to buy the ticket? | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | the Eventbrite looks ok to me (but then again, can't go :| | 15:49 |
| fifieldt | mcunietti_: I believe the 30 tickets for sponsors included your guys | 15:49 |
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| fifieldt | so we will give you codes | 15:50 |
| mcunietti_ | ok noproblem then. For the Eventbrite maybe you'd like to add a link to the venue website? http://www.coworkinglogin.it/ | 15:50 |
| mihalis68 | one thing to point out: the google doc and ether pad for milan are helping the barebones agenda form, however... | 15:50 |
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| fifieldt | absolutely mcunietti_ | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | there is work AFTER that - getting the moderators and also getting a short summary of each session written for clarity | 15:51 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to add a link to http://www.coworkinglogin.it/ on evenrbtire | 15:51 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to add accomodation info and/or etherpad link to eventbrite | 15:51 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68 is very correct | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 i will mention this in email | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | should the upcoming email to the operators list also call for moderators? | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | also does the moderator have to do the summary? | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | (it's just like 2-3 sentences so we all actually know what each session really is( | 15:52 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman to reach out for moderators and work with them on summaries | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | very good | 15:52 |
| fifieldt | cool | 15:52 |
| mihalis68 | for anyone new, the summaries were too short for NYC and we ended up with a few duplicates where people simply didn't really recognize topics of interest from 3-word titles | 15:53 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 15:53 |
| mcunietti_ | I've never played as a moderator so far but I think it's worth a try if we need one more | 15:53 |
| mrhillsman | we will do our due diligence | 15:53 |
| mperazol | what was the etherpad link for NYC? could someone post that? | 15:53 |
| mrhillsman | will work with moderators on linking up with possibly some SMEs on the particulars items | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | Mariano I did 1st time moderation in Barcelona, didn't hurt! | 15:54 |
| mrhillsman | and check previous etherpads as well | 15:54 |
| zioproto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup | 15:54 |
| mcunietti_ | great mihalis68 | 15:54 |
| mperazol | tks | 15:54 |
| mrhillsman | mcunietti_ - put the mic in front of people - learned that from emagana :) | 15:54 |
| fifieldt | btw - slight hitch with the eventbrite to do with euros, so fixing | 15:54 |
| fifieldt | don't be afraid if it disappears | 15:55 |
| mrhillsman | 5 minutes folks | 15:55 |
| fifieldt | maybe hold off on mass mailouts | 15:55 |
| mrhillsman | sure thing | 15:55 |
| yankcrime | i've just bought three tickets \o/ | 15:55 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:55 |
| zioproto | my colleagues already did buy | 15:55 |
| yankcrime | :D | 15:55 |
| zioproto | here in the room | 15:55 |
| yankcrime | lurking for that exact reason ;) | 15:55 |
| fifieldt | no worries, we will make it all work* | 15:55 |
| zioproto | I am the only one that did not buy becayse I am attending the meeting :) | 15:55 |
| zioproto | looks like a U2 concert ! | 15:56 |
| zioproto | now is euro 22.22 > | 15:56 |
| zioproto | ? | 15:56 |
| fifieldt | so | 15:56 |
| fifieldt | we may have to nuke that one | 15:56 |
| fifieldt | and start over | 15:56 |
| mrhillsman | will wait for your green light fifieldt | 15:56 |
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| zioproto | what happens for those who already paid ? | 15:57 |
| zioproto | :) | 15:57 |
| mihalis68 | 3 minutes of meeting left | 15:57 |
| mcunietti_ | really? someone already registered and bought the tickets? | 15:57 |
| zioproto | yes | 15:58 |
| fifieldt | zioproto, we will steal your money and use it to fund a home for insane ssyadmins | 15:58 |
| zioproto | of course | 15:58 |
| zioproto | :))) | 15:58 |
| zioproto | I just said on the scientific WG chat that link was out | 15:58 |
| zioproto | and at least 2 people bought the ticket | 15:58 |
| zioproto | I was gonna do it at the end of the IRC meeting :D | 15:58 |
| mrhillsman | lol fifieldt | 15:58 |
| mrhillsman | i need a room | 15:58 |
| mihalis68 | I bet eventbrite is clever enough to refund cancelled events | 15:58 |
| mcunietti_ | I knew Italy was going to be a nice shot (Tokyo would be as well) | 15:58 |
| mrhillsman | i have to run but will be back | 15:59 |
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| yankcrime | REFUND | 16:00 |
| yankcrime | Event Name: Openstack Ops | 16:00 |
| yankcrime | lol | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | any last minute comments? | 16:00 |
| zioproto | my colleagues just got a refund | 16:00 |
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| mihalis68 | otherwise time to hash endmeeting | 16:00 |
| zioproto | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 16:00:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-01-24-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-01-24-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-01-24-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| mihalis68 | thanks for chairing this time zioproto! | 16:00 |
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| zioproto | @fifieldt let us know how it follows up with the eventbrite ticket | 16:00 |
| fifieldt | cheers | 16:01 |
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| zioproto | @fifieldt is it now safe to buy tickets from this link ? https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-midcycle-meetup-tickets-31450068000 | 16:49 |
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| bsilverman_ | Eventbrite is a virus, it makes you buy lots of expensive tickets to awesome conferences. | 17:09 |
| bsilverman_ | :slightly_smiling_face: | 17:10 |
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| bsilverman_ | zioproto: Eventbrite is safe to buy tickets from. | 17:12 |
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| mihalis68 | I see it's now $20, not 20 euro. Deliberate? | 17:23 |
| mriedem | would love some operator input/feedback in this thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110661.html | 17:23 |
| mriedem | if you're disabling the core or ram cpu filter especially | 17:23 |
| mriedem | klindgren: ^ | 17:23 |
| mriedem | belmoreira: ^ | 17:24 |
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| belmoreira | mriedem: we are using core and ram filter. I need to read the thread | 17:29 |
| mriedem | this is for operators that don't include those filters, if anyone doesn't | 17:29 |
| mriedem | would be nice to hear if that's actually a thing people do in reality | 17:29 |
| mdorman | mriedem: as far as I know we use all the filters, too. (i’m with klindgren ) | 17:32 |
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| klindgren | mriedem, I am not sure I understand the problem from that thread correctly. | 17:46 |
| klindgren | It sounds as if the placement API as currently implemented always takes into account some specific things. Which appears to differ from the legacy configuration that people could have implemented, simply by removing/adding some filters? | 17:47 |
| mriedem | klindgren: correct | 17:48 |
| klindgren | Or atleast has the potential to differ. | 17:48 |
| mriedem | klindgren: the patch to use the placement API in the filter scheduler was going to always ask for VCPU, RAM and DISK_GB regardless of CONF.scheduler_enabled_filters | 17:48 |
| mriedem | the placement API takes allocation ratios into account, | 17:49 |
| mriedem | so if you just didn't care about vcpu filtering, you'd set that allocation ratio high | 17:49 |
| klindgren | The path of least surprise would suggest that the placement API, should use what the scheduler actually has configured for filters? | 17:50 |
| mriedem | the placement service is separate from nova-scheduler | 17:50 |
| klindgren | however, I guess I am missing the difference between what the placement api does, vs's what the scheduler does. | 17:50 |
| mriedem | so if anything, the scheduler would take into account it's own config and use that to tailor what it requests for resources from the placement API | 17:51 |
| mriedem | the placement service is where resources are tracked for making placement decisions, | 17:51 |
| mriedem | so a compute node is a resource provider in the placement API, | 17:51 |
| mriedem | and has different inventory of resource, like cpu, ram, disk, etc | 17:52 |
| mriedem | and how much of that inventory is allocated to consumers of the given resource on the given provider (so instances running on that compute node) | 17:52 |
| mdorman | is the placement API more about choosing what cell to place the instance in? | 17:52 |
| mriedem | the nova-scheduler then says, give me the resource providers that can serve x amount of vpuc/ram/disk (from the flavor in the request spec) | 17:52 |
| mriedem | mdorman: that's what the nova-scheduler will use it for | 17:53 |
| mdorman | gottcha, ok. | 17:53 |
| mriedem | the placement API isn't aware of cells or anything like that | 17:53 |
| mriedem | it's meant to be generic | 17:54 |
| mriedem | i.e. neutron will be putting IP allocation pool information in the placement service in newton | 17:54 |
| mdorman | makes sense | 17:54 |
| mriedem | so nova can make placement decisions based on those pools later, | 17:54 |
| mriedem | like, which aggregate set of hosts can i move this instance to so that it's IP will still work in the pool | 17:54 |
| mdorman | cool | 17:55 |
| mdorman | well in any case, we still have all those three filters enabled. so we don’t meet the use case you’re looking for :/ | 17:55 |
| mriedem | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/implemented/generic-resource-pools.html | 17:55 |
| mriedem | heh, ok | 17:56 |
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