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| dewanee | hello everyone | 11:23 |
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| izaakk | dewanee: Hello | 14:45 |
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| mihalis68 | about to start the operators-meetup team meeting | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | who's here for that? | 14:59 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | Tom! | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | long time no IRC! | 15:00 |
| mcunietti | hi everyone | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | ok Matt Jarvis asked for a volunteer to chair this meeting via email because he has a conflict in second half | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | anyone? If not I will again | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | go for it Chris | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 15:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 15:01 |
| fifieldt | hiya, sorry for falling off the face of the planet. reading old logs now and trying to catch up | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | good to "see" you! :) | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 15:02 |
| izaakk | o/ | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | I'll try to summarize. I didn't have time to pull together links to the official ether pad etc. | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | We have milan in progress now planning-wise | 15:02 |
| mcunietti | yep | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | Matt is the benevolent dictator for that and asked for people to update the ether pad for this week | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | we also have a proposal for hosting next August from Intel | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | Thanks Melvin | 15:03 |
| shintaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:03 |
| mattjarvis | hello guys | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:03 |
| mattjarvis | sorry I'm late | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | we should discuss that proposal | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | haha, thx shintaro | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | Matt I'm chairing at your request | 15:03 |
| mattjarvis | thank you mihalis68 | 15:03 |
| fifieldt | wow, you guys are amazing | 15:03 |
| mattjarvis | I think Mariano from Enter is now probably in a position to be benevolent dictator around the logistics | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | yes. You're whipping us into shape re: the program | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | I also should mention that the hosts for Milan issued a request for sponsors | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | and Tom we moved this meeting to this time, as you obviously deduced | 15:04 |
| mattjarvis | mihalis68, I put some agenda items in the etherpad | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | I even put it on the wiki (felt rather bold) | 15:05 |
| mattjarvis | I think Mariano now has costs, so perhaps he can share with the group | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | Thanks! | 15:05 |
| mattjarvis | hey fifieldt ! | 15:05 |
| mattjarvis | where have you been ? | 15:05 |
| fifieldt | hullo & sorry | 15:05 |
| mcunietti | updated the etherpad | 15:06 |
| fifieldt | I got a combination of heavy travel + holiday + sickness | 15:06 |
| med_ | welcome back tom and hi all. | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review of last week's action items | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZP4bOCIY/ | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | team to add ideas to the MIL-ops-meetup | 15:07 |
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| mihalis68 | I guess no progress on that? | 15:07 |
| emccormick | Hey guys, sorry to be late | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | that's getting urgent now I would say | 15:08 |
| mattjarvis | sorry, I think I had an action to transfer the seed content in | 15:08 |
| mattjarvis | been a busy couple of weeks with new job | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | so do it for next week? | 15:08 |
| mattjarvis | give me an action to do that | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | I can help arrane the eventbrite, if you want | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | arrange* | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | #action matt jarvis to transfer seed content for milan meet up to the ether pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 15:09 |
| mattjarvis | I think we just need to finalise how many tickets on the eventbrite and how many reserved | 15:09 |
| mcunietti | about the registration fee, am I right if I think it will cover the night event on March 15th? | 15:09 |
| fifieldt | assuming it's a copy/pasta of the previous one, with ticket limit 150? | 15:09 |
| mattjarvis | my suggestion would be 100 on eventbrite | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | #action fifieldt to start work on eventbrite for Milan | 15:09 |
| mcunietti | in that case, I would go for 20 euros | 15:09 |
| mattjarvis | fifieldt, I think we said 130 based on the size of the smaller rooms | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | 100 was the consensus from last week | 15:09 |
| mcunietti | 100 registered + 30 sponsors, it was | 15:10 |
| mattjarvis | mihalis68, 100 on eventbrite, 30 reserved for host, sponsors and extras | 15:10 |
| mcunietti | yep | 15:10 |
| fifieldt | ok, done | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | yes 100 on eventbrite, exactly. Allowing a lot of unticketed guests | 15:10 |
| mattjarvis | we will need hotel and travel details for the eventbrite right ? | 15:10 |
| mcunietti | how many unticketed shall we expect more than the 30? | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | second action last week was administrivia - update wiki with time of meeting, done | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | venue max limit was said to be 150 last week | 15:11 |
| mcunietti | up to 150 is fine for plenary room | 15:11 |
| mattjarvis | so I'd be careful with how we think about max limits | 15:11 |
| mattjarvis | remember its not just the main room | 15:11 |
| mcunietti | I think we'l be slightly packed in the break sessions | 15:11 |
| mattjarvis | we also need to be able to handle a split of everyone for the smaller sessions | 15:11 |
| mcunietti | exactly | 15:12 |
| VW | hey folks | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | yo! | 15:12 |
| mattjarvis | I would definitely say 130 max | 15:12 |
| mattjarvis | hi VW | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | hey VW | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | how to enforce? | 15:12 |
| VW | sorry - popped in an hour ago and assumed we weren't meeting | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | mat the meeting moved to this slot | 15:12 |
| med_ | welcome VW | 15:12 |
| med_ | welcome VW | 15:12 |
| VW | you guys have confused me with all the times :P | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | i think being packed is not necessarily a bad thing | 15:12 |
| mattjarvis | it is if you can't get into rooms or have a seat | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | but we agreed on 100 :) | 15:12 |
| emccormick | Also remember there are always people who register that don't show | 15:13 |
| med_ | mrhillsman, the stackers that think together stink together? | 15:13 |
| emccormick | how many of those did we have last time? | 15:13 |
| VW | yep | 15:13 |
| fifieldt | if we refer back to Manchester as "just right"- it was more on the packed side | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | I don't know eventbrite, does it have ticket "levels" | 15:13 |
| mcunietti | we have large tables in the middle of meeting rooms, so there's no room for standing people | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | med_ indeed hehe | 15:13 |
| fifieldt | emccormick is right - we should pull the numbers for the previous times | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | attendee tickets and organizer tickets? | 15:13 |
| fifieldt | what we can do is give out some registration codes for 'organisers' | 15:13 |
| * med_ assumed organizers, sponsors, etc still had to eventbrite | 15:13 | |
| fifieldt | or 'sponsors' or whatevers | 15:13 |
| fifieldt | they still eventbrite | 15:14 |
| med_ | yep with free reg codes. | 15:14 |
| fifieldt | but they put in a code | 15:14 |
| med_ | agreed. | 15:14 |
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| mihalis68 | +1 | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:14 |
| fifieldt | which we can see on the data dump spreadsheet | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | if this works in eventbrite I'm all for it | 15:14 |
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| fifieldt | so it's: aim for 100 'normal' on site, 30 'spcial' codes on site | 15:14 |
| med_ | OpenStack Days MW just happened and all attendees (sponsors, speakers, etc) had to eventbrite (via paid or free) | 15:14 |
| fifieldt | ? | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | tom if you're evenbriting, can you confirm next week that we can have attendee and organizer tickets? | 15:14 |
| mcunietti | ok for me but be careful on maximum limits. It can lead to issues managing seats and catering | 15:14 |
| fifieldt | I can confirm it works mihalis68 - we did it to a limited extent for manchester | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | #action fifieldt to confirm an "all eventbrite" attendance system works in eventbrite with attendees and hosts/organiser codes | 15:15 |
| fifieldt | can I confirm EUR 20 is the price? | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | final action from last week was to review intel's proposal to host in August https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-2017 | 15:16 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:16 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 15:16 |
| * med_ is +1 on the somewhat nebulous Intel proposal. They have the resources to make it work at either time, either location in spite of nebulousity. | 15:16 | |
| mihalis68 | I think we preferred keeping it cheap, yes | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | I am +1 on the intel proposal | 15:16 |
| * mrhillsman +1 on the fee | 15:16 | |
| mrhillsman | same for intel proposal | 15:16 |
| emccormick | +1 on intel | 15:16 |
| shintaro | same here for intel | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | I think the first question is : is it "well-formed" by which I mean meets criteria for region, facilities, travel accomodation | 15:17 |
| mcunietti | +1 on the fee but I repeat my question: will it cover the night event? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | I think we need a sponsor for the night event | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | we are crossing the streams a bit. I shall attempt to keep them clear | 15:17 |
| med_ | Yes, I'd recommend a sponsor for the night event (big or small) | 15:17 |
| med_ | in Milan | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | Milan needs additional sponsorship. I shall ask if Bloomberg can kick in | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | My employer | 15:17 |
| mcunietti | great | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | all comment so far on Intel/August 2017 is positive | 15:18 |
| mcunietti | no one has answered the call for sponsors yet | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | Did we get the feedback on amount | 15:18 |
| med_ | ? | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | I did not see anything on ML | 15:18 |
| med_ | mrhillsman, you lost me. | 15:18 |
| mcunietti | I am trying to get through Cloudbase, but they seem unresponsive so far | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | so I ask for anyone who has any objection to the intel/august thing to speak up soon | 15:18 |
| * fifieldt reads | 15:18 | |
| mcunietti | I also emailed directly SUSe, RedHat and HPE | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | ok wait, we are crossing things up, mihalis68 | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | For milan we had discussed that a group of sponsors might form and each kick in a small amount, so it depends on the "funding gap" | 15:18 |
| med_ | mihalis68, I've been noodling about proposing Denver but I'm not goign to make the EOY cutoff for a counter proposal in Aug for Denver (and I"m fine with Inte'ls proposal) | 15:19 |
| VW | yeah, can we stick to one meetup at a time ;) | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | please # topic us | 15:19 |
| med_ | <snort> | 15:19 |
| mcunietti | about Milan: so far the expected cost is around 8.500 euros | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | danke | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | We will spend the rest of the meeting discussing Milan I expect. So I would like to close out last weeks actions | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | we should at least respond to intel | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | ok so final call - is intel's proposal fine by all? | 15:20 |
| mrhillsman | vote? or we are all good? | 15:20 |
| shintaro | Intel proposal need clarification for the number of rooms/capacity for the breakout sessions. | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | because at this stage I think it will get locked in by default quite soon right? | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | end of year and all that | 15:20 |
| fifieldt | +1 shintaro | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | #action I will ask for more details | 15:21 |
| * med_ is +1 on the somewhat nebulous Intel proposal. They have the resources to make it work at either time, either location in spite of nebulousity. | 15:21 | |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to get more detail on intel proposal | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | There's no objection to the intel proposal other than needs more details, which I contend is quite fine for something that far out | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | so... back to milan? | 15:21 |
| mrhillsman | no objection from me either, intel has resources to handle i am quite sure | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | is there anyone else here who thinks their org might help with Milan costs? | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | do you want me to follow up with Carol Chris? | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | Ah you're a partner of intel right? | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | i know we will be looking for a benevolent come that time | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | works for me | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | and hate for you to have to go again | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | no worries | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to talk to carol/intel about more detail on august 2017 meetup | 15:23 |
| mattjarvis | I'm going to have to drop in a minute, I have another call I have to be on - I've seeded the MIL ether pad with the session analysis stuff | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | mcunietti is that the total event cost? | 15:23 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:23 |
| mrhillsman | thx mattjarvis | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | mattjarvie I see, great, thanks! | 15:23 |
| * med_ wonders if there is an #action-completed | 15:24 | |
| mcunietti | yep, budgetary | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | Ill ping the mailing list with this link now it's started to fill in | 15:24 |
| mattjarvis | excellent mihalis68 - also ask for moderator volunteers | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to share milan planning ether pad with operators mailing list now that content is landing | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | will do, thanks | 15:24 |
| mcunietti | Catering 2 days + soft drinks 5.000€, night event 2.500€, prints 1.000€ | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | mcunietti is that budgetary in terms of how much Enter can take on? or estimated cost, asking because ... | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | you answered :) | 15:25 |
| mcunietti | estimated cost | 15:25 |
| mcunietti | :-) | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | so enter is paying for the space, and 8500 is the extras? | 15:25 |
| mcunietti | the idea is that, yes | 15:25 |
| mcunietti | but I am afraid that if we don't find the sponsors we'll have to pay all the remainder | 15:25 |
| emccormick | so $2k would come from registration | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | ok. This fits the recommendations | 15:25 |
| emccormick | so we need another $6500 in sponsorship? | 15:26 |
| mcunietti | right | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | Ok... we finally worked out the funding gap | 15:26 |
| mrhillsman | \o/ | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | Matt said that several sponsors put in about 1000 euro for manchester (might have been pounds not sure) | 15:27 |
| mcunietti | stay loose, make it 7.000 | 15:27 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | so 7 sponsors at 1000 euro or 3-4 at 2000 | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | doesn't seem impossible | 15:27 |
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| fifieldt | please action me to work out how the money from the registration works | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | #mihalis68 to see if Bloomberg will kick in 2000 euro for milan | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | #action fifieldt to work out how money from eventbrite flows to the milan event | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 15:28 |
| med_ | #action mihalis68 to check bberg | 15:28 |
| emccormick | Any kick-in from the foundation on this? Or just fifieldt travel expenses? :D | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | ha | 15:28 |
| fifieldt | probably :) | 15:29 |
| mcunietti | any body in contact with Cloudwatt and/or Numergy? being a EU ops meetup they'd be interested I guess | 15:29 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman to check if Rackspace can chip in | 15:29 |
| mcunietti | CityCloud as well | 15:29 |
| mrhillsman | i think we can send out a general ML call | 15:29 |
| mcunietti | I already did yesterday, did you receive it? | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | I saw it | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | but directly contacting will be good too! | 15:30 |
| mattjarvis | you could also reach out to Patrick Petit at Mirantis - they wanted to sponsor in MAN | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | sorry, i did not, apologies, will use that as template :) | 15:30 |
| mcunietti | thamks matt, can you share contact info? | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | Ah, I sees it | 15:31 |
| mcunietti | (privately of course) | 15:31 |
| izaakk | Hello guys, this is Isaac from Intel/OSIC, I'm planning to attend and I can check with Intel for sponsorship as well | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | Ah, great, thank you! | 15:32 |
| mcunietti | great! | 15:32 |
| med_ | xlnt | 15:32 |
| mattjarvis | I also occasionally see David Ogden who's Mirantis MD for EMEA | 15:32 |
| mattjarvis | he's based in Manchester | 15:32 |
| med_ | Welocme izaakk | 15:32 |
| mattjarvis | usually comes to our meetups, I will ask him if I see him | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | Ok, so from reviewing the minutes, I think we have at least touched on all the listed items | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | ? > action everyone check with who they have direct contact with along with the ML message | 15:33 |
| med_ | ahead of schedule | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | one thing I brought up a little bit last week: PTG is turning out to be a bit divisive. Some people from Bloomberg even think that operators meet ups are no more and pTG is the only thing outside of the Summit | 15:34 |
| mrhillsman | should we consolidate via ML status of goal or just leave it to meetings to do that | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | the sponsors and funding level? I think people who can sponsor should update the meet ups team ASAP | 15:35 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: the lack of information is certainly not helping ... I have ML post and SuperUser post ready to go on "the Forum" that I'm awaiting approval on :( | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | That would be great Tom. | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | I had to refer to "last item of FAQ all the way at bottom" as the definitive rebuttal | 15:35 |
| fifieldt | but if anyone wanted to write up anything additional on what the ops meetup is, that'd be postable too | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | Speaking personally, neither I nor anyone from my team will attend PTG | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | I could have a go Tom | 15:36 |
| VW | when do you need something by, fifieldt? | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | shall I action myself to offline that with you? | 15:36 |
| fifieldt | I probably won't go to PTG myself | 15:36 |
| fifieldt | it's just a 'whenever' kinda thing :) | 15:36 |
| fifieldt | any time between now and PTG I guess | 15:36 |
| VW | I'd be happy to take a crack at the ops meetup write up | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | I'm really verbing stuff here. I can feel the pointy haired boss look developing | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 vw to look into posts about operators meetups | 15:36 |
| VW | gracias | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | Tom does this time slot work ok for you? | 15:37 |
| med_ | many of us at Charter are signed up for PTG | 15:37 |
| fifieldt | due to some sort of daylight savings time somewhere right now, this slot is OK | 15:37 |
| fifieldt | :) | 15:37 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 15:38 |
| fifieldt | it will keep being ok until some daylight savings change somewhere | 15:38 |
| med_ | we agreed to keep this UTC time even when DST kicks in | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | we are going to keep it 1500 despite DST :) | 15:38 |
| med_ | that question was posed last week. | 15:38 |
| emccormick | Ours switches back the Sunday before the Milan meetup | 15:38 |
| emccormick | So probably we change back after the meetup | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | everyone agreed on that | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | well maybe not everyone, but majority | 15:39 |
| med_ | no one was opposed afaik | 15:39 |
| VW | agreeing is one thing. Learning how to use a clock is completely different - ;) | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | It was definitely a consensus last week, however I put it to you that the meeting time should be under review regularly as we really want as many of the meet ups team as possible to join | 15:39 |
| fifieldt | are we taking a break at all around end-of-year time? | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | it's on the wiki for now - good enough? P) | 15:40 |
| VW | yep! | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | I can't make next week's IRC meeting, but can do email | 15:40 |
| mcunietti | me neither | 15:40 |
| VW | I would propose at least take a break next week | 15:40 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:40 |
| mcunietti | +1 | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | We could officially skip the meeting next week for respecting those of us out traveling or just not up for it | 15:40 |
| VW | the third - I can go either way, personally | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | the original cadence was twice a month and we've put in a lot more than that, so yes +1 | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | #agreed no meeting 2016-12-27 | 15:41 |
| mrhillsman | 3rd works for me as well | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | #agreed next meeting Jan 3rd | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | Any other topics people would like to bring up? We have a lot of progress and actions | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | It might be good to "give back" 18 minutes here and ask people to get onto the ether pad and get to work | 15:42 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | that and using the mailing list to drum up suggestions and moderators | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | ok I will end the meeting shortly unless there are late-breaking topics | 15:43 |
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| mihalis68 | I feel good about this one | 15:43 |
| med_ | thanks mihalis68 and mj and VW and tom. | 15:43 |
| med_ | and mrhillsman | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | Helle emagana we were just about to finish the meet ups team meeting | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | *Hello | 15:43 |
| emagana | mihalis68: Hi All! | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | any last minute urgent items? | 15:44 |
| emagana | How is all going? | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | they are amazing emagana | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | we are finishing off here, so people can work on their actions | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | milan planning is good, intel hosting august looks like will be approved | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | we need sponsors for milan | 15:44 |
| fifieldt | I took 4 weeks off meetings, and the group has organised so much! | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | will be on mailing loist | 15:44 |
| emagana | Time for sending emails all around | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | yes | 15:44 |
| mattjarvis | I hear workday have got loads of money | 15:45 |
| emagana | I won't be able to travel to Milan unfortunately! | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | final call before I close this meeting. Next meeting january | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | oh shame | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | I think I shall | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | ok thanks everyone! Good work | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| mcunietti | thank you! | 15:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 15:45:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-12-20-15.01.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-12-20-15.01.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-12-20-15.01.log.html | 15:45 |
| emagana | Happy Holidays! | 15:45 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:45 |
| VW | thanks, folks | 15:45 |
| mattjarvis | happy holidays emagana ! | 15:45 |
| mattjarvis | merry xmas all :) | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | wait, what, over already!? | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | happy holidays emagana! | 15:46 |
| emagana | mattjarvis mrhillsman see you soon! | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | and everyone else! enjoy your family/friends/loved ones during this season! | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | indeed :) | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | Mrhillsman you get 15 minutes to work on ehterpad, actions, mailing list! :) | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | seasonally appropriate greetings to all | 15:47 |
| mattjarvis | definitely emagana, see you in Boston probably | 15:47 |
| izaakk | Thank you all | 15:47 |
| emagana | Boston is a yes! | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | I hope for me too | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | my team will definitely represent at least | 15:47 |
| mattjarvis | I'm definitely coming to Milan anyway, just had my travel approved | 15:48 |
| mattjarvis | so I expect to also be in Boston, Canonical usually send tons of people | 15:48 |
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| emccormick | Happy holidays everyone :). I'll definitely be in Milan. Already got my plane tickets :) | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 15:49 |
| mihalis68 | :) | 15:49 |
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| emccormick | and Boston of course since it's a 90 minute flight from me and I used to live there ;) | 15:49 |
| mrhillsman | so you are our tour for those who have not been is what you saying emccormick? | 15:50 |
| mrhillsman | guess not hehe | 15:50 |
| emccormick | I am glad to lead the staggering drunken hordes through the city ;) | 15:50 |
| mrhillsman | ha | 15:51 |
| mihalis68 | drinking? Tssk tssk! <cough> | 15:51 |
| mrhillsman | boston "tea" party? | 15:51 |
| emccormick | Yeah, Long Island tea. | 15:51 |
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| kukacz | hi, I'd like to ask about some purge procedure for cleaning out instances which can't be deleted "normal way" | 16:10 |
| med_ | kukacz, are they already NOT running on hte hypervisor? | 16:11 |
| kukacz | I mean `nova delete`, `nova force-delete` neither reset-state helps. the instances are removed from hypervisors | 16:11 |
| med_ | nod. | 16:11 |
| med_ | which version of Nova | 16:11 |
| kukacz | med_: correct. there are no more present on hypervisors | 16:11 |
| kukacz | Kilo | 16:11 |
| med_ | and in this case, it generally means you need to massage the db | 16:11 |
| med_ | yep, we had this in Kilo timeframe | 16:12 |
| med_ | required manual db massage | 16:12 |
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| med_ | concerns would be around attached volumes | 16:12 |
| med_ | if no attached volumes, pretty straightforward | 16:12 |
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| med_ | if attached volumes, you will also have to clean cinder. | 16:12 |
| kukacz | attached volumes - Cinder with Ceph backend | 16:12 |
| med_ | yep, that's usually the issue then for being unable to delete | 16:13 |
| med_ | cinder still has those vols marked as attached | 16:13 |
| med_ | so unable to delete | 16:13 |
| med_ | just a sec.... | 16:13 |
| kukacz | yes, in cinder tables they are marked as attached to the proper instance | 16:13 |
| med_ | something like this: | 16:14 |
| med_ | update the following in cinder.volume_attachment | 16:14 |
| med_ | set deleted=1 | 16:14 |
| med_ | set attach_status=detached | 16:14 |
| med_ | update the following in cinder.volume | 16:14 |
| kukacz | med_: ... actualy, they were marked as "attached to NULL", but that's another issue we're facing independently | 16:14 |
| med_ | attach_status=detached | 16:14 |
| med_ | status=available | 16:14 |
| med_ | after the above updates are done you can use cinder to delete the volume | 16:14 |
| med_ | good luck. | 16:14 |
| kukacz | med_: ok. so I'll start with the cinder volume. and then? | 16:15 |
| kukacz | med_: will I be able to use nova delete or I need to do it via nova database anyway? | 16:15 |
| med_ | once detached, try a force-delete again | 16:15 |
| kukacz | med_: ok | 16:15 |
| med_ | or even a regular delete | 16:15 |
| kukacz | med_: I'll try that procedure | 16:16 |
| kukacz | med_: do I understand that this has changed since Kilo somehow? | 16:16 |
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| med_ | it got better in general (more maturity) | 16:16 |
| kukacz | med_: or that there was some issue? | 16:16 |
| med_ | I don't know of a specific bug, just that we had to do this a lot less in liberty | 16:17 |
| med_ | probably 1/100th as often | 16:17 |
| kukacz | med_: OK. and just by chance - how about that "attached to NULL" issue with Cinder? does that sound familiar to you? | 16:17 |
| med_ | nope | 16:18 |
| kukacz | med_: it's a situation when Nova present correct volume ID as attached, but Cinder losses the backward connection to instance UUID | 16:18 |
| med_ | nod. | 16:18 |
| kukacz | med_: ok | 16:18 |
| med_ | not familiar to me though | 16:18 |
| med_ | under the circumstances, you may need to also clean the nova db I'd guess. | 16:20 |
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| dewanee | anyone hitting "Too many open files" error on nova-compute? | 16:26 |
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| dewanee | since we upgraded to Mitaka it appears to be an issue | 16:26 |
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| klindgren_ | So we have been running into problems recently where we have a bunch of problems with neutron and large number of compute nodes being marked as down due to failed heartbeats and neutron-server chewing up a ton of cpu. When we restart neutron server we see a ton of nova-sync messages being processed | 17:21 |
| klindgren_ | if I look we have a bunch of ports in build status | 17:21 |
| klindgren_ | when I compare a few of them the ports in build status are associated with vms that are in an "active" status and are passing traffic. | 17:22 |
| klindgren_ | wondering if anyone else can check their clouds and see if they have a bunch of ports in build status. My query: neutron port-list -F id -F device_id -F binding:host_id -F status -F binding:vif_type -F device_owner -c id -c device_id -c binding:host_id -c status -c binding:vif_type -c device_owner | grep -v floatingip | grep -v ACTIVE | grep -v neutron:LOADBALANCERV2 | grep -v network:router | 17:23 |
| klindgren_ | I also have compute nodes that have ports that failed to bind that I can't backwards translate to actual ports in neutron | 17:23 |
| klindgren_ | Does anyone have a cleanup script for handling that? | 17:24 |
| klindgren_ | and no neutron-ovs-cleanup is not the thing, as that removes all ports, including those that work. | 17:24 |
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| klindgren_ | Also have ports that are marked as down in neutron but are plugged and correctly passing traffic for those vm's. | 17:28 |
| mattjarvis | definitely don't run neutron-ovs-cleanup manually, bad things happen | 17:44 |
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| klindgren_ | yea - ran tried that in a non-prod env | 17:45 |
| klindgren_ | and it jsut nuked all the ports | 17:45 |
| mattjarvis | think we did that one time in production trying to fix another issue, definitely didn't do it again | 17:46 |
| klindgren_ | also dont restart ovs-agent without a connection to rabbitmq/neutron-server | 17:46 |
| klindgren_ | thats an awesome way for security groups to get populated with nothing, and to blackhole all vm traffic | 17:46 |
| mattjarvis | lol, at one of the ops meetups we should have a session on 'stuff you definitely don't want to do under any circumstances' | 17:47 |
| mattjarvis | there's probably a book full | 17:47 |
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| mattjarvis | the thing about neutron-ovs-cleanup is that the name suggests it might help you do something you need to do | 17:48 |
| mattjarvis | lures you in | 17:48 |
| mattjarvis | to disaster | 17:48 |
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| klindgren_ | mattjarvis, can you run the above neutron port-list command as an admin and see if you have ports in a build state? | 17:56 |
| mattjarvis | klindgren_, would love to, but I'm at Canonical now and don't have admin rights anywhere yet ;) Ask yankcrime if he's lurking, I know he's done a lot of stuff around Neutron cleanup. | 17:57 |
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| mrhillsman | mattjarvis adding that to list :) | 19:29 |
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| erhudy | dewanee: do you use ceph? | 19:40 |
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| erhudy | because i just pushed out a hacky fix to the nova-compute upstart unit file to bump the nofile soft limit for some of our larger clusters | 19:40 |
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| erhudy | when a ceph-backed instance was getting terminated nova-compute would open a connection to every single OSD in the ceph cluster and would run itself out of handles, and then it would lose the connection to rabbit and the ship goes down with all hands | 19:41 |
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