Thursday, 2016-12-15

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VWhey folks16:03
VWsorry got stuck in a meeting16:03
VWanyone her for LDT?16:03
mdormanyup!16:03
mdormangot my time zone conversion right this time16:03
VWwoo hoo!16:03
VWok - let me get this started16:05
VWmay just be the two of us, though16:05
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VW#startmeeting Large Deployments Team16:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 15 16:05:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:05
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team'16:05
VW#topic roll call16:05
VWo/16:05
mdormano16:06
klindgren__o/16:06
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VWhey both you guys are here16:08
VWgood16:08
VWbecause klindgren has to help me remember things from BCN ;)16:08
klindgrenThats a pretty tall ask :-D16:09
VWwith that...16:09
VW#topic follow up from BCN16:09
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VWhere was our etherpad from BCN:16:11
VW#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-Large-Deployments-Team16:11
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VWI feel like we touched on some things that would be worth getting with Devs and working on forum session submissions16:11
VWThere were some more Neutron bits that came up as potential ones to chase changes on16:13
VWthe client itself16:13
VWor "partitioning" of neutron - ie, cells16:14
mdormanyeah that one in particular stands out to me.  although it’s also probably the most vague at this point16:14
VWthere was also some discussion in the Nova meeting about some search/detailed calls in the APIs under cells v2 that left us all scratching our heads a bit16:15
VWklindgren: you have any thoughts there16:15
klindgrenSearchlight seems to just re-duplicate cellsv116:16
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mdormani think LDT can be pretty helpful around testing teh cells v1 -> v2 upgrade path, and cells v2 in general.  although that’s also a bit of a niche thing.16:16
klindgrenwith a slight change.  The fact that they were going to redirect to search light was the most disturbing to me.16:16
VWI agree mdorman - we should be very helpful in those areas.  Sounds like it might be P before we get the upgrade path for v1 users16:17
VWand yes klindgren - that worries me a lot16:17
VWI guess, the part I'm trying to figure out is how do we effectively engage in that one?16:18
VWdo we need to have a special meeting and try to get some key nova folks in there?16:19
klindgrenI think that was wait an see, because they wanted to do what we expected the first time.  But the preffered path is searchlight.16:19
VWthat's right16:19
VWbecause this is a short cycle16:20
VWwith the shift in dev time lines16:20
klindgrenbut I htink it would be worth raising the concerns about the searchlight path.  As it basically duplicates the arch of cellsv1.16:20
VWbut, let me see if I can get john G. or some other folks to come in Feb (since he's UK, it will have to wait two meetings)16:20
mdormanso the idea is using searchlight instead of nova calls to do searching of stuff?   Or also for listing?  I guess i don’t have th e full context on this16:20
mdormanyeah that might be best, just some time when we can sync up and make sure we’re all onteh same page16:21
VWfor refference16:21
VW#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16934/nova-cells-v2-scheduler-searchlight-multi-cell-support16:21
mdormankk16:22
VWsorry, mdorman - that's the actual session link but the etherpad is in there16:23
mdormanyup i made the connection, np :)16:23
VWare either of you (or anyone else lurking) aware at all of this:16:23
VW#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-cellsv2-quotas16:23
klindgrenI was not16:25
mdormani sort of remember skimming over some ML thread about this, but i don’t recall the details16:25
VWthis was another that they wanted our opinion on at the summit16:27
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VWI didn't know if we wanted to craft any "official" feedback16:27
klindgrenThe only official feedback I have is, that quotas in nova is a travesty.  So anything that can actually make them not fall out of sync.  Would be welcomed16:28
mdormanyeah i don’t have any particular thoughts on it either.  other than doing quotas in just one place seems like a good way to go.16:31
klindgrenbut it seems like this might get rid of parts of that code path that can and do go wrong.  But I dont like the idea of a race causing over allocation.  But we are less dependent on that now than we use to be.16:32
VWis this something we should partner with folks to get forum sessions for in Boston?16:32
mdormanlooks like the spec already merged, so may or may not be too late for significant feedback.  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388262/16:33
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mdormanyeah, although it kind of seems like a subtopic of “cells v2” to me, so maybe it’s most appropriate to aim for a more general cells v2 “cross project” session between LDT and Nova, where we can cover a few related topics.16:34
VWsounds good16:34
VWI'll bring this up again next month on the late meeting16:35
VWand if we can get some Nova folks in in Feb, we should have enough to write a proposal16:35
mdormanyup16:35
mdormanwould time out fairly well for getting stuff prepped for boston as well16:35
VWyep16:36
VWI think so16:36
VWI feel like there was also some glance related stuff we chatted with devs about, but sadly that is escaping me16:36
VWThe other thing I'd like to do is get the us and the new Public Cloud WG to partner on a submission or two16:37
VWI'll have to follow up with mattjarvis on getting that on his agenda soon for their meetings16:37
mattjarvisVW, good idea ;)16:38
mdormanspeaking of other groups, is there much overlap with the new “massively distributed” group?  from limited info i saw, it wasn’t clear to me how LDT would interact with that one.16:39
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VWyeah, I think there may be some overlap there16:41
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klindgrenI never fully understood that one as much.  Massively distributed seems like it just a large collection of smaller clouds?16:42
VWis that the same as this16:42
VW#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO16:42
mdormani’m pretty sure that’s something different16:43
mdormanhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Massively_Distributed_Clouds i think is it16:44
VWyeah, we are seeing more and more overalp16:45
VWside note, we need to clean this up16:46
VW#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Deployment_Team16:46
VWso, I think we need to find out more about the massively distributed group16:47
VWmaybe attend some meetings, etc16:47
VWLast I heard, the LCCO folks weren't really doing things in IRC, etc, but I'll check with Tom on that16:47
VWI do think that a good partnership between LDT and the public cloud WG's could produce some great results16:47
VWmattjarvis: when is the next meeting for Public Clouds?16:48
VWnext week?16:48
mattjarvisnext Wednesday16:48
zioprotohello all16:48
zioprotoI just arrived16:48
zioprotoMassively Distributed Clouds they have this vision of the Fog computing16:49
zioprotothey want to to do this system where the compute nodes are at the edge near the user16:49
zioprotoso instead of having a big DC with 1000 Servers, you have 10 servers at each network PoP16:49
VWah - thanks zioproto16:49
zioprotothat is the key idea of Massively Distributed and Fog Computing16:49
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zioprotoI dont know how much overlap there is with Large Deployments16:50
zioprotoI guess we plan more on the big DC with many machines16:50
zioprotoso now16:50
zioprotofor them16:50
zioprotopractically speaking16:50
zioprotothe problems are things like running rabbitMQ geographically16:50
klindgrenSo bascially you are more concerned with federation of a bunch of tiny clouds.  Trying to act as once large cloud?16:50
zioprotothat is the vision of the Massively Distributed16:51
klindgrenkinda like having nova-cells - with a bunch of really small clouds?16:51
zioprotoyou have small amounts of compute nodes in many many sites16:51
klindgrens/clouds/cells16:51
zioprotoI make an examples16:51
zioprotoif the VMs make NFV things like firewalls16:51
zioprotoyou want these VMs to be spread out and near the end user16:51
mattjarvisits a pretty common telco pattern16:51
zioprotomattjarvis: bingo ! :)16:52
zioprotoI was writing exactly that16:52
VWyeah, I think there is a TON of overlap between massively distributed and LCCO16:52
zioprotoso I think we dont necessarly want to follow the same goal of Massive Distributed in our WG16:52
VWsince both are very telco driven16:52
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VWcool16:53
mattjarvisnot sure who's in that Massively Distributed group16:53
zioprotoOh is the first time I read about LCCO16:53
mattjarvisLCCO ?16:53
zioprotoLCOO16:53
zioproto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO16:53
VWsorry that16:53
* VW types poorly16:53
VW;)16:53
VWanyway, we are about out of time16:54
VWthis was actually very useful16:54
zioprotobut this is the LDT meeting right ? :)16:54
VWyep16:54
zioprotookay just to make sure :)16:54
VWwe were just talking about the upcoming summit and who we might partner with on some session submissions16:54
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VWsounds like we will engage the nova team (in our Feb meeting probably) to work on some potential topics16:54
VWmattjarvis: you should probably plan on being here for that if we get some Nova cores in to talk cells V216:55
VWand I do think there will be an opportunity to partner with the Public Cloud WG on a submission or two16:55
VWNeturon client performance/bloat/behavior was another topic that came up a lot with LDT in BCN16:56
mattjarvissounds good, keep me in the loop - not quite clear yet the direction of travel for Public Cloud WG, but should be defined by then16:56
VWthat we could probably reach out to Neutron on and get some submissions going16:56
VWsorry - we were all over the place, but this was good16:56
VWany other things folks need to dicuss?16:56
VWthanks, mdorman, klindgren, zioproto and mattjarvis for the conversation16:57
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mdormansure thing16:59
zioprotothank you16:59
zioprotobye bye16:59
VWalright - see you all next month16:59
VW#endmeeting16:59
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mdormanthanks VW17:00
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