Tuesday, 2016-12-13

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ram_Hi. I am eagerly waiting for integrating Monasca(Monitor As A Service ) tool with an existing OpenStack cluster. But I don't know how to do that. I am new to openStack monitoring. Can anyone please provide me the way to integrate Monasca with an existing OpenStack cluster.08:50
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ram_Hi. How do I integrate Monasca with OpenStack cluster. I mean 1) I need to have Monasca setup seperately and 2)OpenStack cluster setup separately and then I have to integrate monasca with Openstack cluster.09:17
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yankcrimemgagne: jproulx fwiw i've run liberty control plane, mitaka db, and kilo compute - and it hung together ok09:53
yankcrimei've had a problem doing n+2 directly, i.e control on mitaka and compute on kilo09:54
yankcrimeso i'm playing it safe with a brief stop at liberty09:54
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mattjarvisyankcrime, what was the issue with n+2 ?10:00
yankcrimerpc-related errors, regardless of version pinning options being set mattjarvis10:00
yankcrimemattjarvis: e.g 'UnsupportedVersion: Endpoint does not support RPC version 2.0. Attempted method: service_update'10:02
yankcrimeand that's with various [upgrade_levels] set appropriately (and inappropriately as part of testing, for that matter)10:03
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zioprotohello14:01
zioprotonot sure if I missed the meeting ?14:01
zioprotoor it is in 1 hour ?14:01
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mattjarviszioproto, it's at 150014:21
zioprotook, so it is 16:00 for me14:22
zioprotogreat14:22
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mihalis68hello15:00
mihalis68who's around?15:00
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s3an2hey15:01
mattjarvisafternoon15:01
* jproulx lurks distractedly15:01
mihalis68back Catcha!15:01
mihalis68stupid autocorrect. Back atcha15:01
mihalis68I have no idea where catcha even came from in its puny brain15:02
mihalis68I see email apologies from VW and erik mccormack15:02
mattjarvismihalis68, as I wasn't here last week would you like to chair again ?15:02
mrhillsmani am here!15:02
mattjarvisI've updated the ether pad with an agenda of sorts15:03
mattjarvisdo we have anyone from Enter here ?15:03
mihalis68I can do it, but am a bit distracted today, an unusual number of machines blowing  up overnight15:03
mihalis68#startmeeting Ops Meetups Team15:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Dec 13 15:03:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team'15:03
zioprotohello all15:03
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team15:04
med_\o15:04
mihalis68attendees please add your names15:04
* med_ is semi-around15:04
mihalis68#topic arrangements for Milan15:05
mihalis68oh actually15:05
mihalis68#topic actions from last weeks minutes15:05
mihalis68sorry15:05
mattjarvisdid we decide which rooms we are using ? it will depend somewhat on sessions proposed15:06
mattjarvissorry, rewind :)15:06
mihalis68I see no actions from last week. The meeting was  a struggle, almost nobody there for the first few minutes15:06
mihalis68which is why we are trying 15:00 UTC this week15:06
mihalis68ok. So that's done15:07
mihalis68#topic arrangement for Milan15:07
mihalis68we do not seem to have representatives from Enter15:07
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zioprotois anyone from Enter.it here ?15:07
mihalis68We were hoping to get information on the cost gap, to work out if we need to attract additional sponsors15:07
mattjarvisI've been lurking in here all day and haven't seen anyone if they came at 140015:08
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mihalis68We also asked Enter to provide a link to maps of the venue. I maybe failed to record that as an action15:08
mihalis68ether pad for Milan :15:09
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup15:09
mattjarvisis that marked up with the spaces we can use ?15:09
mattjarvisI did have the capacities of each of them somewhere15:10
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mihalis68I see a link to the Enter.it website15:10
mihalis68but it's in italian (perhaps there's a language choice widget?)15:10
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mattjarvisthe link to the space map is in the other etherpad15:10
mattjarvishttps://swift.it-mil1.entercloudsuite.com/v1/KEY_e9fb6e203c1341ebb08d3db12698a5ea/OpsMeetup/CoworkingLogin.pdf15:11
med_google translate works pretty well on it15:11
med_via chrome15:11
mihalis68aha, thanks Matt15:11
med_Coworking Login Milan provides 2 meeting rooms of different sizes (one of 35sqm and 15sqm) for events such as conferences, meetings and workshops. The rooms accommodate from 2 to 20 people.15:11
zioprotoI can translate Italian but enter.it is offline for me :(15:12
mattjarvisIIRC the work area marked on the diagram holds 120+15:12
mattjarvisthe meetup area holds 5015:12
mattjarvislarge meeting room holds 20+15:12
mattjarvissmaller meeting room holds 1015:13
mattjarvisalthough don't quote me on any of that15:13
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mihalis68I think the room arrangements were requested by someone to help understand the planning process15:13
mihalis68Can we do all-hands session in the work area?15:14
mattjarvisyes, I believe so15:14
mattjarviswe were talking about 100-120 tickets max15:14
mihalis68Mariano is trying to find this chat, one sec15:14
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mihalis68hello Mariano!15:16
mcuniettifinally made it through! sorry for the delay15:16
mrhillsmanwelcome :)15:16
mcunietti(I have an attitude with IRC, you are informed)15:16
mattjarvishi mcunietti15:16
mihalis68Mariano we can use the "work area" for sessions for all attendees?15:16
mcuniettiyes Work Area 1 is plenary room15:17
mattjarvismcunietti, can you also confirm the maximum numbers for each of those spaces marked on the plan ?15:17
mattjarvisI couldn't remember15:17
mihalis68so then I think attendee limit might be best at around 120?15:17
mattjarvis+115:17
mcuniettiWork area 1 is up to 150 and more15:17
mcuniettiMeeting room 1 is up to 25, 30 max15:17
mcuniettithere's a large table in the middle, one single piece and can't be moved15:18
mattjarvismeetup area ?15:18
mcuniettimeeting room 2 is up to 10-15, table as well15:18
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mcuniettimeetup area up to 5015:18
mattjarvisok, I've added all of those to the event ether pad now15:18
mcuniettibistrot it's 25 seats, plus more standing15:18
mattjarvisok so bistrot if we need it, but we might not anyway15:19
mcuniettihttp://www.coworkinglogin.it/milano/ for more pictures15:19
mattjarvisdo you have enough chairs for all those rooms ?15:19
mihalis68I have added the link to the floorpan pdf to the ether pad too15:19
mcuniettiif the weather is fine, also the courtyard can be suitable to host food and beverages15:20
mihalis68oh very nice!15:20
mcuniettiit's ahlf under a cover15:20
mcuniettihalf15:20
mihalis68that wasn't an option in midtown manhattan in August!15:20
med_heh15:20
mihalis68I think we picked the capacity of the largest room as the hard limit on tickets15:21
mattjarvisfor the rooms, the other things we need to consider are projector capabilities, wifi access, power points and chairs15:21
mihalis68so in this case that would be 15015:21
mcunietti;-) Italian weather is one of the benefits of this bankrupt country15:21
mcuniettiI think 130 is the best fit15:21
mattjarviswe agreed previously that 120 should be our aim, because of session sizes, and split across the other rooms15:21
mihalis68shall we say 120 then? We can then allow 10 unticketed people and still be comfortable15:22
med_+115:22
mcuniettimattjarvis: each room is equipped with enough chairs and a projector15:22
mihalis68you know, like openstack luminaries15:22
mihalis68the tickets are only a dodge to prevent casual mooching15:22
s3an2mihalis68, sounds sensible15:22
mcuniettii would shoot 130, and go for 12015:22
mattjarviswe should probably do 100 through eventbrite, there will be some for sponsors, foundation etc.15:22
mcuniettigood consideration matt15:23
mihalis68100 is approx. how many actually showed in NYC if memory serves15:23
mihalis68any more comments on 100 tickets in eventbrite and up to 30 unplanned/unticketed guests, making a maximum number of 130 people in the space?15:24
mattjarviswe had around 115 in MAN15:24
mattjarvisall in15:24
mihalis68#agreed current goal is 100 tickets in evenbrite for operator attendees. We allow additional from openstack community, hosts etc15:25
mihalis68We are nearly half-way. I think the venue arrangements look very good now15:26
mcuniettithanks :-)15:26
mihalis68Matt how about  you tell us how you see the process from here on out around agreeing the itinerary i.e. the sessions, moderators and room choices for those?15:26
mattjarvisok15:27
mihalis68Last week people posted the google docs link and then we had questions like "what do the colors mean" and "what's next" so clearly some are confused. I certainly am15:27
mattjarvislol15:27
mattjarvisok, so that was just an assessment of which sessions had come up before15:27
mattjarvissorry about the confusion15:27
mattjarvisbasically we can seed the session schedule with those suggestions15:28
mihalis68I think it was a natural situation where you made a start and then schedule conflicts interfered15:28
mattjarvisbefore we put it out to the list for voting and additional suggestions15:28
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mattjarvisand to get volunteer moderators, although we can push on that after Xmas as well15:28
mattjarvisI think we should aim to populate the ether pad and get it out to the lists at the start of next week15:28
mrhillsman+115:29
mihalis68one thing emphasized after NYC: we can't just transfer short soundbites from the candidate list onto the agenda and declare victory, each session needs a good description so that people know what it is, particularly for spotting duplictes15:29
mattjarviswith the sessions to be locked before Xmas15:29
mattjarvis+115:29
mrhillsmando we want to lean on mods for those descriptions?15:29
mihalis68good goal, however timing is already tight15:29
mrhillsmanor free for all15:29
mattjarviswe need to emphasise in the mail to the list15:29
mattjarvishow we need it to be done15:30
mattjarvisonce we have the final session set, we ask for moderators15:30
mrhillsmani think we relied on mods last two times and unfortunately did not get descriptions up in timely manner to allow ML feedback15:30
mattjarvisand put into the timetable15:30
mattjarvisso I would say actions for today are :15:30
mihalis68One concern I saw possibly when you were not here matt, there's a risk of overload - bazillions of session ideas, "tracks" etc15:30
mattjarviskeep things simple for this one I say15:31
mattjarvisjust pre-populate with the popular sessions from previous ones15:31
mattjarvisdiscuss the idea of tracks at a meetup face 2 face in Milan15:31
mihalis68works for me15:31
mihalis68+115:32
mattjarvisI will take an action to pre-populate the etherpad15:32
mrhillsmani think the bazillion of ideas is good and would hate to discourage as it is on us i would say to decide/filter15:32
mihalis68for a while before NYC I asked people to collaborate via email since once per week wasn't moving fast15:32
mattjarvis+115:32
mihalis68lots of ideas is good but we must be good at winnowing15:32
mrhillsmanagreed15:32
mihalis68I will help via email15:32
mihalis68who else?15:32
mrhillsmansame15:32
mattjarvisaction for everyone to add ideas before we send it to the list15:33
mrhillsmani think what we have is a good starting point/place15:33
mrhillsmanbut possibly something may come in that should bump an item without as many +1s15:33
mihalis68so add to the google doc?15:33
mihalis68#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-WEsEmwms2SLyjt2jtCMvpepmiHwoiDkMWMWk37rkRA/edit#gid=015:33
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mattjarvisno, to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup15:33
mihalis68ok #action team to add ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup for next weekly meeting15:34
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mihalis68I don't know if  hash action works like that15:34
mrhillsmanprobably not lol15:34
mrhillsmanthought it very well may15:35
mrhillsmanit takes stuff after it right?15:35
mrhillsmanwon't hurt to do it the other way :)15:35
mihalis68should we update the ether pad and then email the crew?15:35
mrhillsman+115:35
mihalis68who would like to help on this bit via email?15:35
mattjarvisyes, that's the next action15:35
mihalis68myself, melvin, matt presumably15:35
mattjarvisonce we've seeded it15:35
mrhillsmanok15:35
med_#action team to add ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup for next weekly meeting15:35
med_fyi, I won't be attending in Milan so here for moral support primarily15:36
mrhillsmanappreciated :)15:36
med_but can help with fleshing out/15:36
mrhillsmani still need approval myself but optimistic15:36
mihalis68I hope I'll attend, more family stuff going on15:37
mihalis68we have almost 25 minutes left. Could we perhaps agree a minimal set of perennial topics now?15:37
mattjarviswe need to discuss logistics - costs and sponsors15:38
mattjarvisneed the chair to change topics now ;)15:38
mihalis68I haven't seen any info about a cost gap or whether more sponsors are needed15:38
mihalis68#topic logistic - costs and sponsors15:38
mattjarvismcunietti, have you got anywhere with costings ?15:39
zioprotoI would say it is easier to make the ticket a bit more expensive15:39
zioprotoif there is a sponsorship problem15:39
mattjarvisfor reference, mcunietti and I discussed costs for catering and signage/badges/programmes being the main ones15:40
mcuniettiunfortunately there's a delay on the offerings for catering etc15:40
mcuniettiit's been bank holiday in Milano last week15:40
mcuniettiso I think I can provide the complete budget for the event on the next meeting15:40
mattjarvisexcellent :)15:40
mihalis68speaking for bloomberg, I believe I could get us to become an additional sponsor, my bosses boss considered the NYC meet up "good value" for us15:41
mcuniettialng with some sponsorhip proposal15:41
mattjarvisso we can move that topic for next weeks discussion15:41
mihalis68contrast with PTG which neither I nor anyone from my team will attend nor sponsor15:41
mrhillsmanpossibly could get rackspace as well, just need the numbers asap15:41
mattjarvismihalis68, sounds like a good lead :)15:41
mcuniettiMatt obviously Canonical is in my top three candidate list :-)15:41
mattjarvisthere's also some EU based vendors who might be plausible - SUSE, Cloudbase and a few others I can think of15:41
mrhillsmanor others as well ^15:41
mcuniettiCloudbase I'm in direct contact15:41
mihalis68#agreed costs to be discussed next week15:42
mattjarvisme too15:42
mihalis68to be frank I don't want to see the ticket get expensive because I am conscious that some attendees have minimal expense budgets15:42
mattjarvismihalis68, +115:42
mattjarviswe can cover this with sponsors15:42
med_fwiw, Canonical sponsorship is tricky.15:43
mattjarviscosts for MAN were ~£5K IIRC15:43
mattjarvisso not a massive amount to find15:43
mattjarvismed_, Canonical sponsored the MAN event15:44
med_xlnt.15:44
med_I sit corrected then.15:44
jproulxreminder charging for tickets  original intent was to cut down no-shows not so much cover costs15:44
mattjarvisjproulx, +115:44
mrhillsmani think if we get the info in front of whoever quickly it will not be an issue15:44
mihalis68next week hopefully we can see if there's a funding gap and then perhaps work out a plan, such as 5 sponsors, $X each15:44
mihalis68yes that's right about ticket prices - kept low because they're really a minimal speed bump against free lunch moochers15:45
mcuniettilet's discuss this with accurate costs15:45
mihalis68+115:45
mcuniettinext week15:45
mihalis68so I think we have covered the most urgent topics15:45
mihalis68#topic time of regular weekly meeting15:46
mihalis68how is 15:00 UTC for everyone?15:46
mrhillsman14/15 is ok with me15:46
med_question: when US goes back to DST are we going to switch again?15:46
mcuniettione last question: accomodation15:46
mrhillsmani would say no med_15:46
med_that's my only concern, jernking people around.15:46
mcuniettiis 100 rooms enough to cover all the participants?15:46
med_then I'm fine with either time, as long as we pick ONE and stick with it.15:46
mattjarvis+115:47
med_100 person rooms15:47
mattjarvisactually I can only do 1500UTC now15:47
mihalis6815:00 UTC works for me all year 'round in principle15:47
mrhillsman^15:47
mihalis68there could always be a clash on a particular week15:47
mcuniettimed_: what do you mean by "100 person rooms"?15:47
mcunietti3PM UTC is fine for me15:47
med_mcunietti, you said 100 rooms15:47
mcuniettiunderstood15:48
mcuniettithanks15:48
med_that sounds like a lot of rooms so I thought you meman a 100 person room15:48
med_meant15:48
mattjarvismcunietti, you had a question about accommodation ?15:48
mcuniettiI asked already, thanks matt15:48
mihalis68we've got two topics going, I am going to stick my neck out and do this:15:48
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mihalis68#agreed regular meeting time now 15:00 UTC15:48
mihalis68#topic accommodation for Milan15:49
mihalis68I encourage anyone not happy with 15:00 to speak up15:49
mattjarvisbenevolent dictator :)15:49
mihalis68100 person rooms is number of hotel rooms with discount, I15:49
mihalis68I'm guessing15:49
med_ah15:49
mattjarvisah15:49
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med_thanks for the enlightenment15:49
mattjarvislightbulbs go off everywhere :)15:49
mattjarvisso in MAN I had 100 rooms with discount reserved15:50
mattjarviswhich we then cancelled off 1 month before the event15:50
mcuniettithis is the most fitting hotel: http://www.ramadaplazamilano.it/en/15:50
mattjarvisand I think we had around 70 of them taken15:50
mcuniettibut I need to understan the budget per room/person15:50
mihalis68We agreed to specify 100 Evenbrite tickets15:50
mihalis68so I think 100 discounted rooms is right15:50
mattjarvislooks nice :)15:50
mattjarviswhat's their discount rate ?15:51
mihalis68the extra attendees might be from the hosting org, or openstack leaders15:51
mihalis68they can fend for themselves :)15:51
med_and likely others will use their corporate hotels (if any) so 100 is probably more than enough15:51
mcuniettiif you book now a double room is 104€/night15:51
mattjarvisgood price too15:52
mihalis68I don't see any objection to 100 hotel rooms with discount being enough15:52
mcuniettiyes but we can get a better one15:52
mattjarvisthat's about what we got in MAN too15:52
mihalis68#agreed 100 hotel rooms with discount is enough15:52
mcuniettiI need to understand what budget to target15:52
mcunietti100€/room/night is fine?15:52
mattjarvisit was about that15:52
mcuniettior lower, obviously?15:52
med_I can't see anyone having an issue with that rate.15:53
mihalis68+115:53
mattjarvisif 104 is their standard rate, they should be able to get down to 90 as a discount15:53
mattjarvisI would have thought15:53
mcuniettiI guess so15:53
med_but yes, lower is always better.15:53
mihalis68in context of flying from USA, it's VERY affordable15:53
mattjarvisI would just ask them what is the best you can do15:53
mcuniettidon't worry, bargaining is an art here15:53
mattjarvislol15:53
mihalis687 minutes left15:53
mcuniettiso just to be sure since I see some confusion15:53
mcunietti100 person rooms or 100 rooms?15:53
mihalis68#action mihalis68 to update team wiki with regular meeting time15:54
mcuniettimihalis just wrote 100 rooms15:54
mihalis68sorry, I didn't spot a distinction15:54
med_100 rooms as most folsk in the US don't double up15:54
med_unless they work for Canonical15:54
mihalis68five minutes left15:56
mcuniettiok I'll go for 100 rooms then, hope they have enough15:56
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mihalis68In case anyone didn't notice, we have a north american proposal to host in August15:57
mihalis68Intel offered to host, details on the other etherpad15:57
med_who/where?15:57
med_xlnt15:57
mattjarvisawesome15:57
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-201715:58
mihalis68can everyone please take a moment to review it before next week?15:58
mihalis68I would like to discuss that next week15:58
mrhillsman+115:58
mihalis68#action everyone review intel proposal for August 2017 so we can at least agree on suitability15:59
mihalis681 minute15:59
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mrhillsmannothing from me15:59
mihalis68any last minute comments?15:59
mihalis68ok thanks everyone15:59
mihalis68going once...15:59
mihalis68good progress compared to last week.15:59
mattjarvistx all15:59
mihalis68See you all next week16:00
mattjarvisthat will be the awesome chairing ;)16:00
med_tx16:00
mihalis68LOL16:00
mihalis68you're too kind (or insane)16:00
mihalis68#endmeeting16:00
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zioprotothanks16:00
mrhillsmanthanks everyone!16:01
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mgagneyankcrime: re N+2, your issue were related to "partial" upgrade where controller==mitaka and compute==kilo, right? So I suspect a full upgrade on both controller and compute won't be an issue?16:06
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zioprotohello all16:12
zioprotowhen you do a Live migration16:12
zioprotoand it fails16:12
zioprotofor openstack16:12
zioprotobut the machine is actually live migrated16:12
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zioprotoand it is running fine on the new hypervisor16:12
zioprotohow you tell openstack that the actual hypervisor changed for that instance ?16:12
zioprotoI did a reset of the state16:12
zioprototo remove the error state16:13
zioprotobut OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:hypervisor_hostname still points to the wrong server16:13
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mrhillsmanzioproto i believe you can/have to update the db for it16:13
mrhillsmanlet me check with someone else to confirm16:14
zioprotookay16:14
zioprotoI am in liberty16:14
mgagnewe do update the database. we just have to make sure it's not running on both hypervisors.16:15
zioprotook16:16
mrhillsmanconfirmed zioproto16:16
mrhillsmanin cases where live migration "fails" but actually does complete, just do your sanity checks16:17
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zioprotook16:21
zioprotoany hint which one is the right table ?16:21
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zioprotowow16:22
zioprotoI had to use16:22
zioprotoa table called instance_id_mappings16:22
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zioprotook16:29
zioprotoI have to update the fields node and host in the instances table16:30
zioprotoso far so good16:30
zioprotothanks 116:30
zioproto!16:30
yankcrimemgagne: correct - partial upgrade.  if you can do both at the same time then you're fine16:30
mgagne+116:30
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yankcrimezioproto: you might have to clean up the 'migrations' table as well16:47
zioprotothanks, I will have a look16:54
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