Tuesday, 2016-11-15

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dc_mattjafternoon14:02
shintarohi14:02
dc_mattjhi shintaro14:03
dc_mattjanyone else here for the ops meetup team meeting ?14:03
rovanleeuwenyes, I am attending14:03
dc_mattjhmm, bit thin on the ground today14:04
dc_mattjlets wait a few minutes and see if anyone else turns up14:04
shintarook14:04
dc_mattjif not we may have to postpone14:04
dc_mattjI know neither VW or fifieldt are here today14:06
rovanleeuwenJust my luck, my first time to join14:06
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zioprotohello14:07
zioprotosorry I am a bit late14:07
zioprotois the meeting going on ?14:07
dc_mattjhasn't started yet14:07
shintaronot yet just few people here14:08
dc_mattjwas just waiting to see who else turned up14:08
zioprotogreat14:08
dc_mattjI think we can probably start now, although we may not have enough of us to make decisions on some things14:08
dc_mattj#startmeeting Ops Meetups Team14:09
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 15 14:09:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dc_mattj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:09
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:09
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team'14:09
dc_mattjHello all, and welcome to the Ops Meetups Team meeting :)14:09
dc_mattjNB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read:14:09
dc_mattj#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team14:09
dc_mattjfor background.14:09
dc_mattjCheck out our agenda items at:14:09
dc_mattj# link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:09
dc_mattjAs always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction.14:09
dc_mattjSecondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that same etherpad.14:09
shintarohi14:09
dc_mattj#topic Review of action items from the previous meeting14:10
dc_mattjFirst up, a quick run-through of our action items from the previous meeting.14:10
dc_mattjis mrhillsman here ?14:11
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dc_mattjfrom the list of actions, I think everything got done from last weeks meeting14:12
dc_mattjI emailed Best Buy today but haven't had a response from them yet14:12
mihalis68morning, sorry I'm late, what did I miss?14:12
dc_mattjhi :)14:12
dc_mattjnothing yet ;)14:12
dc_mattjjust reviewed last meeting minutes for actions14:13
dc_mattjany other comments on actions from last meeting ?14:13
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zioprotoI sent out the email with the doodle pool14:14
mihalis68the poll is getting a lot of attention14:14
dc_mattjyup, plenty of responses14:14
dc_mattjI sent out a mail to the list this morning asking people for final input before we close14:14
dc_mattjwhich brings us on to ...14:14
dc_mattj#topic review results of Doodle poll14:15
dc_mattjare we happy to close the poll now ?14:15
shintarounfortunately, yes14:15
dc_mattjwho created the poll ?14:15
mihalis68Melvin14:15
mihalis68MrHillsman14:16
dc_mattjah, slight problem there then as he's not here14:16
dc_mattj#action mrhillsman to close Doodle poll14:16
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mihalis68@shintaro do you think there might be more votes from Japan for  the Tokyo proposal?14:16
zioprotowe can email him and ask him to close the poll ?14:16
shintaroits 11pm here so probably not14:17
zioprotoI have to say that actually the poll is like 50% and 50%14:17
mihalis68yes I was thinking it is very close this time14:17
zioproto58 and 66 is like 50%14:17
mihalis68who feels we should allow more time considering it is so close?14:18
dc_mattjMy view is that we stick to the original time table14:18
zioprotocan we reuse on of the locations for August, or it must be NA ?14:18
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dc_mattjwe gave the list the choice and the time frame14:18
mihalis68Not a lot, but we could email the list one more time and close it in a defined time14:18
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mihalis68@zioproto I don't think it would be impossible to do that however NA fits the region rotation14:19
dc_mattjlets just discuss this for a minute then. As far as things stand right now, it's close but Milano is the top choice, both on yes/ifneedbe and no14:19
zioprotobecause we dont really have yet a proposal for NA in August right ?14:19
dc_mattjthey've been close before14:19
mihalis68true, not a word for August14:20
zioprotoshintaro: your location would be available in August ?14:20
shintaronot sure yet. we need to reallocate the budget and need approval14:20
zioprotoMariano said last time that august in Italy is impossible14:21
zioprotobecause nobody works in August in Milano14:21
dc_mattjlets work through these things in order if we can14:21
dc_mattjwe'll come back to August14:21
rovanleeuwenfor me personally ( I have been to summit operator meetups in US & Europe only), the ones I attended in the US seemed more active and of a higher "quality" due to higher attendance of (vocal) operators14:22
rovanleeuwen( I am located in AMS and will probably only keep attending Summit meetups)14:22
dc_mattjpersonally I don't think we should be extending the time frame to see if we get a different result, but if we feel like we need a vote on that then we can do so14:22
zioprotorovanleeuwen: I was both in Machester and in NYC and they were about the same14:22
dc_mattjwhat's the consensus ?14:23
zioprotodc_mattj: I agree14:23
zioproto+1 for closing with Milano14:23
shintaroI agree too, extending would create confusion14:23
mihalis68Agreed14:24
dc_mattjok, so we agree Milano has it this time14:24
shintaroWe can go for the next round!14:24
dc_mattjhowever, I think there's clearly a lot of interest for an APAC meetup14:24
dc_mattjand this adds weight to our discussion about potentially having multiple events14:25
shintaroYes, I saw non-Japanese Asian names in the poll, which was great for me14:25
dc_mattj#action dc_mattj to add an agenda item for next meeting to discuss regional events again14:25
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dc_mattjcompared to the Manchester poll, there was a much wider geo spread in participants14:26
dc_mattjwhich is v.good14:26
zioprotoI would really love to come to Japan in august14:26
mihalis68I agree with what's being said : Milano has won meet up number 1 for 2017 and the level of interest in APAC makes the discussion of where for #2 quite pressing14:26
zioprotofor the next one14:26
dc_mattjagreed14:26
dc_mattjshintaro, it would be great if you could consider submitting again for August14:26
mihalis68it's hard to keep talking about NA for August with zero offers to host14:27
shintaroAugust is not the best season in Tokyo, though :(14:27
shintaroso hot here14:27
mihalis68it's beastly here in August also14:27
zioprotoeverywhere August is hot :)14:27
dc_mattjlol14:27
dc_mattjAugust is agenda item 214:27
jproulxNorth Hemisphere bias!14:27
dc_mattjlol14:28
jproulx;)14:28
serverascodeit's a dry heat in Alberta in August :)14:28
zioprotoserverascode: are you proposing Alberta ?14:28
dc_mattjand I thought we were thin on the ground in this meeting - is everyone just lurking to troll ?14:28
mihalis68"dry heat" in canada probably means "not quite so much fresh snow"14:28
mihalis68totally14:28
dc_mattjso can someone take an action to email mrhillsman and ask him to close the poll ?14:29
serverascodezioproto: it's be great to have it here, but I'd have to find some money, I work for a small company14:29
dc_mattjserverascode, not necessarily - we can raise sponsorship14:29
mihalis68jproulx to contact operators team Antarctica to see if a meet up there is a possibility14:29
serverascodeeveryone loves banff :)14:30
mihalis68I'll talk to Melvin14:30
mihalis68action me up mr chair14:30
dc_mattj#action mihalis68 to email Melvin14:30
mihalis68Done14:31
dc_mattjok, was just updating the ether pad14:32
mrhillsmanbah, forgot about the dang time change14:32
dc_mattjlol14:32
dc_mattjwe were just talking about you too14:32
mrhillsmani see14:33
mrhillsmany'all messy14:33
mrhillsman:)14:33
mrhillsmanclosing poll14:33
mrhillsmankidding14:33
zioprotoI just sent an email to Mariano telling him to read the logs of the IRC chat14:33
dc_mattjty zioproto14:33
mrhillsman123 responses14:33
mrhillsmanvery nice14:33
dc_mattjso next steps for March14:33
mrhillsmanMilano barely won out14:34
dc_mattjv.close14:34
mihalis68yes, we did discuss whether to leave more time, however there wasn't backing for that14:34
zioprotowhen the Eventbrite tickets should be available ?14:35
zioprotoJanuary ?14:35
dc_mattjgetting a bit ahead of ourselves there ;)14:35
dc_mattjyes, we should aim for sometime then14:35
mihalis68Next steps are to establish the google docs itinerary planning document and to work on that and then getting moderators14:35
dc_mattjthe Foundation will handle that bit14:35
dc_mattjabsolutely mihalis6814:35
mihalis68and to get that into shape is a big task and the tools are rough14:35
dc_mattjand also to inform the hosts and the list of the results14:36
mihalis68I also think we decided that all topics need a better writeup so we can spot duplicates and overlap14:36
mihalis68Ah yes, you're right, the very first thing is to (graciously?) accept the winning offer!14:36
mrhillsmani'd like to suggest we also have some idea of expected outcome from the topics14:36
dc_mattjI think for this meeting we can just have action to tell host and the list, and we'll come to start planning next meeting with the host present14:37
dc_mattjwho wants to announce the result ?14:37
mrhillsmani can do that14:37
mihalis68Seems appropriate for the poll author14:37
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dc_mattjsorry, connection dropped14:38
mihalis68@zioproto you know the hosts somewhat I believe?14:38
dc_mattjdid I miss anything ?14:38
dc_mattjI also know the hosts well14:38
mihalis68Is there someone in that org who could act as benevolent dictator for this event?14:38
dc_mattjyes14:39
zioprotomihalis68: we just speak the same mother tongue, we met with Mariano in Manchester once14:39
mrhillsmanyou can action me to send the email dc_mattj14:39
dc_mattj#action mrhillsman to email the result to the list14:39
dc_mattj#action dc_mattj to contact Mariano at Enter14:39
mrhillsmanzioproto can reach out to host14:39
mrhillsmancool14:39
zioprotoI already wrote to Mariano and to Stefano (stefano is the event organizator at enter.it)14:40
mihalis68ok, for NYC I ended up pulling the itinerary and moderators together fairly late, because I didn't initially grasp that the host has to manage the event planning or it may just never happen14:40
dc_mattjexcellent zioproto14:40
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dc_mattjanything else to add on this topic for the minute14:41
dc_mattj#action dc_mattj to add agenda item to start planning process next meeting14:41
mihalis68I'd like to know if mariano or stefano can act as lead on the planning14:41
mrhillsmanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup14:42
mihalis68I assume Mariano is an openstack operator but stefano not?14:42
zioprotoI think Stefano14:42
dc_mattjthey have an idea what's involved, so I'll say yes on their behalf14:42
zioprotoStefano is more a marketing person as far as I understood14:42
zioprotohe will organize the logistics14:42
mihalis68yeah, I had a bloomberg event planner do that stuff14:42
mihalis68but the stuff on "my side" was perilously late as you guys probably noticed14:43
dc_mattjanyway to really continue that conversation we need them here14:43
mihalis68it was the first non-Tom event if you get my drift14:43
dc_mattjso I propose we park that discussion until next week ?14:43
dc_mattjmihalis68, Manchester was also like that14:43
mrhillsmani'm cleaning that etherpad up14:43
zioprotodc_mattj: makes sense !14:43
dc_mattjwe'll get better :)14:43
mrhillsmanany objections?14:43
mihalis68fine by me14:43
dc_mattjmrhillsman, go ahead14:43
dc_mattj#topic August location discussion14:44
dc_mattjso still no takers for August, even after emailing the list14:44
dc_mattjstill waiting to hear from Best Buy14:44
dc_mattjand it's also clear that there is interest in APAC14:45
dc_mattjany thoughts on this topic ?14:45
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dc_mattjAugust may just be too far out for people to think about right now of course14:45
mihalis68I only sent the latest call for hosts last night. Perhaps we should time-box when we need to hear an expression of interest14:45
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mihalis68but I'd say no response by this morning is not surprising14:46
dc_mattjah ok, didn't realise it had only just gone out14:46
dc_mattjis there anything else we could be doing to encourage this along ?14:46
shintaroI can try Tokyo again if no one from NA raise hand, but need some time14:46
jproulxMy space isn't quite big enough to host, but it would be about time for me to start thinking about booking august even though it's not our busy season (school year)14:46
dc_mattjty shintaro - would be great to have something in Tokyo as well14:46
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mrhillsmanWell we will need it to be in NA shintaro14:47
mihalis68hold on...14:47
shintarook14:47
mihalis68NA is a "goal" but I wouldn't say it's a rule, right?14:47
mrhillsmanas i understood that was the rule, swapping14:47
mrhillsmanhowever14:47
jproulxif we have no NA offers I don't see why we wouldn't accept one outside14:47
mihalis68I mean milan to tokyo is quite a region swing too14:47
dc_mattjjproulx, +114:47
mrhillsmantrue14:48
mrhillsmani personally think we should try to minimize travel for all14:48
shintaroso let's wait for NA proposal?14:48
mihalis68yes14:48
jproulxyes, I think that preference is strong and worth some effort to generate proposals if need be, but we shoudl have a deadline in mind14:48
mrhillsmanhow long are we going to wait ^14:48
dc_mattjmy personal view is that if there is clear interest from APAC, and we have no NA proposals, then there's no harm in putting Tokyo on the table14:48
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mihalis68agreed14:49
dc_mattjhow about we wait until December before considering opening up ?14:49
mrhillsmanstill question remains, how long to wait?14:49
dc_mattjor January 2017 ?14:50
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mrhillsmanNA companies should be considering their 2017 agendas by now14:50
mrhillsmandc_mattj +114:50
mihalis68we locked in milan today, so it would seem very aggressive to rule out NA this week, for example14:50
mrhillsmani think that is prudent14:50
dc_mattjso January ?14:50
shintaro+114:50
mihalis68end of year seems to be sane to me14:50
jproulx1-1-201714:50
mrhillsmanwhat is our first meeting in Jan14:51
dc_mattjok January is in the minutes14:51
mihalis68is there a hashtag for consensus?14:51
dc_mattjnot sure14:52
dc_mattjmaybe #agreed ?14:52
jproulx"agreed"14:52
mrhillsmanare we on a weekly cadence or bi-weekly?14:52
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jproulxyeh14:52
dc_mattjweekly at the minute14:52
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mrhillsmanok, so say 1st tuesday in Jan which is the 3rd?14:52
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dc_mattj+114:52
mrhillsmanalmost 2 months to show interest is pretty legit14:53
mihalis68so by that date if no NA hosting proposal we drop that idea and take what we can get for August?14:53
shintaroStill holiday in Japan14:53
mrhillsmanagreed14:53
zioproto5 minutes to go14:54
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dc_mattjyes, coming up to time14:54
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dc_mattjany thing more to add on the August topic ?14:55
mihalis68I'll volunteer to do another message asking for hosts again but now saying we need to hear by end of year14:55
dc_mattj#action mihalis68 to update call to action including time box14:55
dc_mattjany more on this topic ?14:56
mrhillsmanoh14:56
mrhillsmanwho did eventbrite?14:56
mihalis68@shintaro I don't think you need worry about the Jan 3rd meeting14:56
dc_mattjmrhillsman, the Foundation14:56
mihalis68when you get back to your desk we'll have clarity on the NA event14:56
mrhillsmanso reach out to tom?14:56
shintarothanks mihalis68 :)14:56
dc_mattjI think we can leave that to next weeks meeting14:56
mrhillsmanor someone else?14:56
dc_mattjsomeone else14:57
mihalis68that can be next meeting14:57
dc_mattjone of the event team can do it14:57
dc_mattjdoesn't take long14:57
mihalis68I think Erin Disney did it14:57
mrhillsmanok14:57
dc_mattjbut there are other decisions we have to make before then, like total amount of tickets14:57
dc_mattjwhich we need Mariano in the discussion14:57
mrhillsmanok14:57
mihalis68don't forget we "charge" for the event so it's best that the foundation does that14:57
dc_mattjyup14:58
dc_mattjnext weeks agenda items14:58
mrhillsmanyeah, i am cleaning up the etherpad14:58
dc_mattjso given we only have 1 minute left, I don't think we are going to get to the final agenda item today14:58
mrhillsmanno worries, it can wait14:58
dc_mattjwill be appropriate once we get into session planning anyway14:59
mihalis68pretty good meeting this time14:59
dc_mattjanything else anyone wants to add before we close the meeting today ?14:59
mihalis68progress14:59
mrhillsmanwell, thanks for managing the meeting dc_mattj14:59
mihalis68+114:59
zioprotothanks for the meeting. I will be here next week.14:59
dc_mattj:)14:59
shintaro+114:59
jproulxI think it's great the life this team has taken on, thanks all!14:59
dc_mattjthanks for all your input and effort14:59
dc_mattj#endmeeting14:59
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dc_mattjsee you next week15:00
shintarothank you15:00
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mriedemfeedback on this would be appreciated http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-November/012085.html18:48
mriedembefore nova goes and removes an extension point18:48
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mgagnemriedem: thanks for the email, already replied =)19:41
mgagnegreatly appreciate the heads up and the cleanup work going on in Nova.19:41
mriedemmgagne: np thanks for replying19:51
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openstackgerritSlawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add script to balance load of Neutron DHCP agents  https://review.openstack.org/39796021:36
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slaweq_mdorman: hello21:42
slaweq_I just proposed patch (script) to openstack/osops-tools-contrib repo21:43
slaweq_I don't know who from reviewers should I add to review it, can You maybe take a look on it (I think You are core reviewer in this project) :)21:44
slaweq_thx in advance21:44
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mdormanslaweq_:  sure thing.  that repo is fairly informal, there are a few of us that typically review.  will take a look later today or early tomorrow.  thanks!22:01
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slaweq_mdorman: yes, I read about it :) thx for help22:03
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mnasermdorman late but better than ever22:14
mnasersnapshots shutting servers down are typically a result of the workflow being weird22:14
mnaserare you using rbd snapshots?22:14
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mnasermdorman i can't find the exact code, but basically if a specific step fails in the snapshot, nova reverts to snapshotting with the server shut down22:19
mnaserthe nova-compute logs would show the failure and then the fallback to cold snapshot22:19
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mdormanmnaser:   we had figured it out late yesterday, due to a bug in latest centos 7 qemu-img, this update fixes it:  https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2016-2585.html23:25
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mnasermdorman are you running rhel internally or with the rhev packages?23:31
mnaseror rather centos storage sig packages23:31
mnaserman, i need sleep, i meant virt sig23:32
mdormannot running with the sig packages.  although we nee to look at that23:32
mnaserif you use centos packages i think it pulls it automatically though mdorman23:32
mnasercentos openstack packages that is23:32
mdormanwe do our own packaging of openstack, so we only pull the libvirt/qemu stuff from upstream centos23:33
mnaserah23:33
mnaseri was gonna point to this: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2016-November/015315.html23:33
mnaserheads up for other operators using virt sig... you might be running insecure qemu :<23:34
mdormanyeah, we have avoided that particular issue :)23:34
klindgren_packages are hard.23:37
mnaserthe number of things factored in rpm to determine if release x+1 > release x is too much23:38
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ckonstanskiTrying to understand this:23:41
ckonstanskiemerge -av dev-ruby/net-sftp23:41
ckonstanski[ebuild  N     ] dev-ruby/net-sftp-2.1.2-r2:2::gentoo  USE="-doc {-test}" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby20 ruby21 (-ruby22) (-ruby23)" 66 KiB23:41
ckonstanskiWhy are ruby22 and ruby23 disabled for this package? The ebuild lists them and I have them installed.23:41
ckonstanskiThere must be something blocking them on my system. Not sure how to find it.23:42
ckonstanskiSorry, wrong channel.23:43
ckonstanskidisregard23:43
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