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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: ansible: support full offline use for lampstack https://review.openstack.org/388006 | 14:51 |
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| pjm6 | Hi there | 15:04 |
| pjm6 | anyone here had experience with OpenStack Nova shared storage via iSCSI through an storage (for instance DELL EqualLogic) | 15:05 |
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| klindgren | pjm6, I haven't however are you attempting to map an iscsi volume per vm? or trying to do a single large FS shared between a bunch of compute nodes? | 15:25 |
| klindgren | (ala vmfs) | 15:26 |
| pjm6 | yes | 15:29 |
| pjm6 | now i'm doing tests, using an iSCSI connection to my equallogic Storage | 15:29 |
| pjm6 | and using OCFS2 | 15:29 |
| pjm6 | in this case is the second one, large FS shared between several compute nodes (for testing porpuses i'm using 2) | 15:30 |
| pjm6 | in this case, the compute node has direct access to the storage | 15:33 |
| pjm6 | i was thinking instead of using OCFS2 a GlusterFS but that will cause more delay, as i must pass to a storage node instead of being directly connected to the storage | 15:36 |
| klindgren | so someone else recently asked about this. IIRC their are bugs surrounding storing multiple compute nodes worth of vm's on the same storage. around golden image removal, assuming using raw backed qcow2 images. | 15:39 |
| klindgren | Also, my personal experience with clustered filesystems have proven to be less than durable. | 15:39 |
| pjm6 | yes at least it seems to don't be must used | 15:40 |
| pjm6 | but in order to use live migration | 15:40 |
| pjm6 | and in case of a compute node dies, how could we deal with recovery? | 15:40 |
| klindgren | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620341 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1620341 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Removing unused base images removes backing files of active instances" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:40 |
| klindgren | most people are using ceph, which is integrated with KVM so that all the KVM nodes have direct access to storage | 15:41 |
| klindgren | but is not a clustered filesustem | 15:41 |
| klindgren | but is not a clustered filesystem | 15:41 |
| dmsimard | technically cephfs is :( | 15:42 |
| klindgren | people dont use cephfs. | 15:42 |
| dmsimard | but they removed the "not production ready" label :( | 15:43 |
| klindgren | also people get away with shared nothing live migrations. You can also look at doing cinder + boot from volume | 15:43 |
| klindgren | so each vm is an iscsi volume | 15:44 |
| pjm6 | so klindgren using this kind of arch is a bad choice, right? | 15:44 |
| dmsimard | I'm by no means saying /var/lib/nova should be residing on cephfs btw, was reacting to the "clustered filesystem" note :) | 15:44 |
| pjm6 | Yes I had read that | 15:44 |
| klindgren | my expereince is this is the type of arch people use for vmware. | 15:45 |
| pjm6 | klindgren, in that way i'm able to do live migrate , right? | 15:45 |
| pjm6 | XenServer have something similar | 15:45 |
| pjm6 | with pool of servers they all have iSCSI sync | 15:45 |
| klindgren | that is true, but they have deep intergration with the filesystem or pooling | 15:46 |
| pjm6 | yup you're right | 15:46 |
| klindgren | that I haven't seen with libvirt/KVM | 15:46 |
| pjm6 | so klindgren what best approach do you think I could take advantage with having an EqualLogic Storage ? (that only supports iSCSI connection) | 15:47 |
| klindgren | if using xenserver + openstack thats fine. Was assuming that you are using kvm. | 15:47 |
| pjm6 | klindgren, yes i'm using KVM | 15:48 |
| pjm6 | because xenserver integration don't seems to be all with openstack | 15:48 |
| pjm6 | (at least when I test it) | 15:48 |
| klindgren | I dont actually know the status of that. I know the largest public runs on xenserver (rackspace) | 15:49 |
| klindgren | but unsure if they are running of stock drivers or custom | 15:49 |
| klindgren | I dont really have a great recommendation for you. We specifically made choices to run our cloud in a totally opposite direction. Of: vm's on local storage. If a compute nodes dies, your vm is gone (this has only happened twice in 3 years). Deal with failure in the application. | 15:51 |
| klindgren | We expose failure domains to end users, and scope work to happen within those failure domains. IE we will be patching all of AZ1. We ask our end users to spread their application across multiple az's. | 15:52 |
| klindgren | I was just aware of my past experience with cluster filesystems (and all the external locking/quorum/stonith) stuff and the extra level of complexity that caused with very little actual gain. | 15:54 |
| klindgren | The only people that I know that are doing VM's on "shared storage" without issue are using ceph + kvm. | 15:55 |
| klindgren | using the ceph block storage stuff (not cephfs as dmsimard pointed out) | 15:55 |
| klindgren | I would hang around - though as other people might chime in. I had a thought about possibly using lvm based storage on iscsi. That would remove the need to do a clustered filesystem. | 16:00 |
| klindgren | But I odnt have any XP with that | 16:00 |
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| pjm6 | hmm I see | 16:19 |
| pjm6 | but LVM can deal good with concurrent access? | 16:20 |
| pjm6 | so if a node die, the app are running in other AZ right? | 16:20 |
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| klindgren | I *think* lvm can - thought I might be htinking about clvm. | 16:28 |
| pjm6 | thanks klindgren, i will investigate further more | 16:30 |
| pjm6 | but there is no much info about this topic | 16:30 |
| klindgren | Right - with the exposed fault domains insterad of spending $$ on making the infra vm's run on all 5 9's. We are asking the apps which typically deploy in a 3 web servers ,3 app servers ,3 db server config. To just deploy the 3 web/app servers across different AZ's. We had been asking people to still use baremetal for stateful data. | 16:30 |
| klindgren | different az's in our case also guarantee people different server chassis, different cab's, different top of rack switches. Possibly different critical power busses. | 16:32 |
| pjm6 | in that way the app always run | 16:32 |
| klindgren | also makes it easy when we need to do maintenace/patching. As people always wanted to know if their vm was on a server being taken down for maintenance, then the next question would be if they could choose when the maintenace was going to happen (before az's) | 16:33 |
| pjm6 | yes | 16:34 |
| pjm6 | that case scenario is good | 16:34 |
| pjm6 | but unfortunately mine not work in that way :S | 16:34 |
| pjm6 | thanks klindgren for all the help :) | 16:34 |
| jlk | I agree with klindgren. AZs are for expressing failure domains to consumers | 16:35 |
| jlk | generally with an agreement to never impact multiple AZs at the same time | 16:35 |
| klindgren | yep. But like I said - stick around, someone else might chime in. Who is running a similar to yours setup. | 16:35 |
| pjm6 | yes, will do that :D thanks | 16:37 |
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| Jack_ | I am trying to understand how public,overlay and tenant network maps to neutron node in both L3 HA and DVR scenarios for mid scale deployment or large scale deployment. | 18:12 |
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| serverascode | anyone rate limit glance with haproxy? | 20:17 |
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| ant1her0 | Hi OpenStack operators, I'm doing user research for the OpenStack UX Team. We're specifically interested in hearing about needs, breakdowns, and issues you have while operating OS clouds. Please PM me if you're willing to provide some info about your experience. | 22:55 |
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| jlk | ant1her0: I've forwarded that on to my operations teams. Hopefully one of them will reach out. | 23:04 |
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| ant1her0 | jlk: Thanks so much! | 23:08 |
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| jlk | ant1her0: do you have an email address I can forward along? | 23:27 |
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| ant1her0 | jlk: travjones0@gmail.com | 23:30 |
| ant1her0 | jlk: Thanks so much for helping out! | 23:30 |
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| mnaser | just throwing a warning towards this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1609766 | 23:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609766 in oslo.messaging "oslo.messaging does not redeclare exchange if it is missing" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Kirill Bespalov (k-besplv) | 23:59 |
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