Tuesday, 2016-09-06

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: oscheck-pacemaker Improvements  https://review.openstack.org/35994311:45
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mrhillsmang'morning14:00
VWhowd14:00
VWhowdy even14:00
mihalis68hello14:00
dc_mattjafternoon14:00
mrhillsman^ that too :)14:01
dc_mattjsorry been awol for a bit - holidays and real world stuff ...14:01
dc_mattjhow was NY ?14:01
mihalis68yes me too, got back to my desk 5 minutes ago, first time in a week14:02
mihalis68feedback I've had was very positive14:02
dc_mattjgood stuff14:02
mihalis68I think Tom must be AWOL14:02
dc_mattjI noticed a bunch of my session suggestions happened :)14:02
mihalis68but we have some attendance, so...14:02
mihalis68#startmeeting14:02
openstackmihalis68: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'14:02
mrhillsman:)14:02
mihalis68#startmeeting openstack-operators14:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep  6 14:02:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_operators'14:02
mihalis68I haven't caught up enough to find action items, agenda etc etc14:03
mihalis68sorry14:03
dc_mattjdoes anyone have the link handy for the NY feedback ether pad ?14:03
mihalis68I can get it, one minute14:03
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-feedback14:04
dc_mattjgot it by guesswork14:04
dc_mattj;)14:04
dc_mattjgood no-shows for a start14:04
mihalis68I was hoping someone other than me would chime in on feedback about the meet up, however...14:05
VWit seemed pretty positive overall14:05
mihalis68generally it went well, venue was good, actual attendance around 96 I believe (vs. 104 registered)14:05
mihalis68sessions mostly went well14:05
VWthere was some good discussion about tweaks14:05
mihalis68some good feedback was that the agenda suggestions should have been more fleshed out14:06
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mihalis68and that that would have allowed us to spot more duplicates14:06
mihalis68e.g. large deployments team session and scaling session are pretty much the same exact thing14:06
dc_mattj"Good: feedback session run by VW."14:06
dc_mattjlol14:06
VWI think that guy had them all fooled14:07
mihalis68I think a lot of the things to do better boil down to : there is a lot to do with the topics, agenda layout and moderator selection, so get to that bit sooner14:07
dc_mattjwas that self feedback ? ;)14:07
mihalis68which means nail down sponsor, venue and dates much sooner14:07
dc_mattjyup, that's the impression I'm getting14:07
VWyeah, the biggest improvement we can make is keep working on head starts14:07
mihalis68In my (our?) defense when we didn't have the venue and sponsor locked, it was unclear who was "in charge" so to speak14:08
mihalis68other than fifieldt14:08
dc_mattjno-one's fault14:08
dc_mattjjust new format working itself out14:08
mihalis68I have it on my personal todo list to write down a little guide to the next person doing this14:08
dc_mattjtopic selection was definitely too late14:09
dc_mattjtbh it feels a lot like there could be a standard set of topics which get modified as new things come in14:09
dc_mattjwhich would mean not starting from a blank page each time14:10
mrhillsmani am in favor of that14:10
mihalis68yes, i do feel that some are standard - large deployment/scaling and containerization come to mind14:10
mrhillsmaneven a template for the sessions?14:10
dc_mattjwe talked a bit about this before, so definitely one for further discussion14:10
mihalis68some factors change the room choice and running order, for example when we got Sean Dague for Nova we made it a double session in main room14:11
mihalis68and that session happily ran with good momentum until like 10 minutes before end of second slot14:11
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mihalis68Ok, seems like that's it for "how did the meet up go"14:13
mihalis68There has been some debate about this meeting's cadence14:14
mihalis68#topic meeting cadence14:14
dc_mattjwhat was the debate ?14:14
mihalis68Who thinks we need to go weekly given that barcelona is fast approaching?14:14
dc_mattj+114:14
dc_mattjalthough I'm unfortunately not going to be in Barcelona either - looks like my wife will be giving birth around then :(14:15
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mrhillsmancongrats14:15
mihalis68I haven't booked but am likely to be there14:15
mihalis68yes, congratulations!14:15
dc_mattjor commiserations - it's number 314:15
dc_mattjoutnumbered14:15
mihalis68doomed14:16
mrhillsmanhehe14:16
mihalis68We are a bit thin on the ground to decree weekly meetings, but I am up for it14:16
mihalis68shall we pencil one in next week anyway?14:16
dc_mattj+114:16
mihalis68ok14:16
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VWI can do weekly14:16
mrhillsman+114:16
dc_mattjdo we also need to try and pull in a few more volunteers to this team ?14:16
mrhillsmandefinitely14:17
mrhillsmanwant to send email to mailing list dc_mattj?14:17
mihalis68It seemed like enough when we had most of the listed people14:17
VWit's always best to be outnumbered, dc_mattj - it's a whole new level of chaos ;)14:17
dc_mattjaction accepted14:17
mihalis68but not enough without those missing today - fifieldt, saverio,14:17
mihalis68but more would be better14:17
dc_mattjVW, speaking from personal experience ?14:18
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mihalis68#action dc_mattj to email mailing list for more operators meet up team volunteers14:18
VWyep - dc_mattj :D14:18
dc_mattjI'll also reach out in my team and see if I can persuade/order some other folks to help ;)14:18
mihalis68#topic benevolent dictator for barcelona14:18
dc_mattjso is this about the who's in charge bit ?14:19
mihalis68I propose we need one person who "owns" pulling together each meetup14:19
mihalis68for NYC it was me14:19
mihalis68yeah14:19
dc_mattjk14:19
mihalis68for barcelona we know where and when already :)14:19
dc_mattj+114:19
mihalis68Tom shouldn't be primary14:19
dc_mattjfifieldt can be spread pretty thin14:19
mihalis68yes14:19
VWwho of us is definitely going?14:20
mihalis68also there's a meta issue that the operators are sort of the anti-corporate voice14:20
mihalis68I think Tom wants it to be more prominent but by self-organising14:20
mihalis68(Im not anti corporation, but I do very much like the not-for-vendors policy for meet ups)14:21
mrhillsmani am not sure i am definitely going yet14:21
dc_mattjI'd also say a bit more formal planning process where people take ownership of specific pieces14:21
dc_mattjI'm definitely not14:21
VWI will be there14:21
mihalis68only vw and tom definite so far? :|14:22
mrhillsmani believe so14:22
VWwell then...14:22
dc_mattjthat's a small pool of candidates at least ;)14:23
mrhillsmantag you're it14:23
mihalis68yeah vw do you want to do it?14:23
VWdo I have a choice :P14:23
mihalis68sure14:23
VWno, seriously, I don't mind14:23
mihalis68#startvote vw to be lead organizer (benevolent dictator) of operators meet up barcelona14:24
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.14:24
mihalis68+114:24
mihalis68derp14:24
mihalis68I don't know how to work this14:24
mihalis68#startvote vw to be boss14:24
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.14:24
mihalis68ack14:24
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dc_mattjyou need to give options14:25
dc_mattj#startvote Should we vote now? Yes, No, Maybe14:25
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.14:25
dc_mattjlol14:26
mihalis68#startvote vw to be boss? Yes, No14:27
openstackBegin voting on: vw to be boss? Valid vote options are Yes, No.14:27
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.14:27
mrhillsman#vote yes14:27
mihalis68#vote yes14:27
mrhillsman#vote Yes14:27
mihalis68Oh I see you gave me the example. sorry I was reading something else to try and find one14:27
dc_mattj#vote Yes14:27
dc_mattjhttp://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html14:28
mihalis68Thanks! very useful14:28
VWI'll abstain, since it's me, but I'm down :)14:28
mihalis68#showvote14:28
openstackYes (3): mihalis68, dc_mattj, mrhillsman14:28
mihalis68Looks like you win by a landslide14:29
mihalis68I agree that the BD will probably get best results if he or she farms out pieces of the work14:29
mihalis68that didn't even occur to me14:29
dc_mattjyou need to endvote14:29
mihalis68#endvote14:29
openstackVoted on "vw to be boss?" Results are14:29
openstackYes (3): mihalis68, dc_mattj, mrhillsman14:29
mihalis68thanks14:29
dc_mattjI have to run in a minute, got another meeting - will definitely be involved in the planning for Barcelona anyway, and there will be some of my team on the ground there too14:31
mihalis68so... last meetup was discussed, feedback linked. Next meeting established. Action to call for more volunteers. New boss established14:31
dc_mattjI can also reach out to some of the other EU operators who'll definitely be sending folks14:31
mihalis68maybe given that we are few and some of us just back we should call this meeting today?14:31
mihalis68unless there are other topics to discuss right now?14:32
mrhillsmani do not have anything right now14:32
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dc_mattjI think we probably need to dissect some of the planning process in the next meeting14:32
dc_mattjrecord good/bad and lessons learnt14:32
VWI don't have much else either, right now14:32
VWneed to track down Tom though14:33
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dc_mattjso that would be my agenda item for next week14:33
mihalis68yes14:33
mihalis68I agree14:33
mihalis68IIRC Tom only just got back from vacation?14:34
mihalis68I expect he'll be more available next week. I'll notify the mailing list that we are doing a meeting next week same time14:34
dc_mattjthanks all, got to run14:35
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mihalis68#action mihalis68 to notify operators mailing list of meeting on Sept 1314:35
VWand I'll try to ping him tonight when it's morning his time14:35
mihalis68ok think we're done, any last minute thoughts?14:35
mihalis68#stopmeeting14:36
mihalis68#endmeeting14:37
openstackMeeting ended Tue Sep  6 14:37:08 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:37
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.html14:37
mihalis68a-ha!14:37
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.txt14:37
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_operators/2016/openstack_operators.2016-09-06-14.02.log.html14:37
mihalis68see you next week folks14:37
VWnext week it is...14:37
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