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| xavpaice | who here is in the deployment talk? | 19:25 |
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| jlk | I am. | 19:25 |
| jlk | arguing on etherpad. | 19:26 |
| xavpaice | :) | 19:29 |
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| fcantournet | As I was saying on the etherpad. We used to build our debian packages with a venv. | 19:31 |
| hughsaunders | fcantournet: so tell me more about venvs, why does it matter if the venv is built on the same machine as its deployed to? | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | well, so your debian package building looks like this : | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | install venv and pip | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | then pip install -R requirements.txt | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | and pakcage all this inside a deb. | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | Sounds great. | 19:31 |
| fcantournet | If you apt-get install this package on any machine, it (apt) obviously doesn't give a crap that you ahve the whole world vendored in your debian package as a venv. | 19:32 |
| fcantournet | We run into this in production trying to pdb : we were adding break point and logs and what not into oslo.messaging but nothing worked... no logs and pdb wouldn't break.. | 19:33 |
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| fcantournet | Then we realized someone long ago had install oslo.messaging on the machine as a system package | 19:33 |
| xavpaice | sounds like the venv was broken already | 19:34 |
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| ctracey | xavpaice: yes | 19:34 |
| fcantournet | and our virtual-env "contained" application was actually importing code from the system's package | 19:34 |
| jlk | yeah, sounds like the start up script didn't properly isolate the python path to just the virtualenv path | 19:34 |
| ctracey | fcantournet: that is a broken virtualenv / broken pathing | 19:35 |
| fcantournet | This sentence has 0 meaning to me sorry. | 19:35 |
| fcantournet | I may be mistaken | 19:35 |
| fcantournet | It is actually likely. | 19:35 |
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| fcantournet | But from everything I've tried : all evidence suggest I am right, virtual env give you fake containment @ the install step | 19:36 |
| xavpaice | I've been using Giftwrap for a while now, and just add an extra package for the init scripts which allow starting apps in the correct env | 19:36 |
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| hughsaunders | fcantournet: https://gist.github.com/hughsaunders/d7bb06480145ca5fc946be437b5ed420 | 19:39 |
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| Anticimex | never saw this with venv that you describe fcantournet | 19:41 |
| Anticimex | that site-packages override the venv's site/local packages | 19:41 |
| Anticimex | xavpaice: are you in ops? | 19:41 |
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| xavpaice | I'm now in 406 | 19:46 |
| hughsaunders | as am I | 19:47 |
| Anticimex | D | 19:47 |
| Anticimex | maybe 406 has more utility hm | 19:48 |
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| Anticimex | ype | 19:48 |
| * xavpaice plans a break for the next session if people want to discuss in the dev/ops lounge | 19:48 | |
| ctracey | xavpaice: can do...if i can find it :) | 19:49 |
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| ctracey | xavpaice: are u there now? | 19:51 |
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| Anticimex | ctracey: he's here, right side 2nd row | 19:51 |
| ctracey | where is here? 406 or DevOps lounge area? | 19:52 |
| xavpaice | jeez am I that easy to spot? Must get better at hiding | 19:52 |
| xavpaice | 406 | 19:52 |
| ctracey | ahhh | 19:52 |
| ctracey | ill go to 406 | 19:52 |
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| ctracey | I am in 406 but headed to lounge area - ping me here if people head over there. | 20:08 |
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| xavpaice | I'm heading there in a mo | 20:28 |
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| ctracey | xavpaice: left side 3rd row of round tables | 20:29 |
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| xavpaice | tables are square :) /me in red pants | 20:40 |
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| mgagne | is there anywhere where I can read a production installation guide for barbican? | 22:01 |
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| jlk | scrawled in blood on the walls of an asylum. | 22:05 |
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| xavpaice | it looks so easy from the documentation | 22:30 |
| * xavpaice didn't try yet though | 22:30 | |
| xavpaice | that's when they'll catch me and put me back in the asylum | 22:30 |
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