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| andrewbogott | I’m looking at upgrading from kilo to liberty and I can’t make much sense out of what I’m seeing in the ubuntu cloud archive. | 03:42 |
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| andrewbogott | for example, nova-compute/kilo was called 2015.1.2-0ubuntu2~cloud0 | 03:42 |
| andrewbogott | but nova-compute/liberty seems to be… 12.0.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0? | 03:43 |
| andrewbogott | can that be right? | 03:43 |
| andrewbogott | What’s going on with version numbers? Apt is as confused as I am | 03:43 |
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| xavpaice | you're not alone | 03:52 |
| xavpaice | as of liberty, the versioning scheme changed | 03:52 |
| andrewbogott | is there an rfc or something explaining? | 03:52 |
| xavpaice | you'll just have to set some apt prefs or pins | 03:52 |
| andrewbogott | Hm. I know how to make apt prefer a given repo for a particular package... | 03:53 |
| andrewbogott | I don’t think I know how to tell it ‘ever single dependency of this package will feel like a downgrade but it’s ok, please do that anyway' | 03:54 |
| andrewbogott | but, ok, good to know that I’m not hallucinating, thank you :) | 03:54 |
| xavpaice | when we upgraded to kilo we started to remove every dep on the cloud archive and manage our own package and deps - that made it a bit easier | 03:55 |
| xavpaice | I put a pref for package *, Pin: release a=catalyst, Pin-Priority: 950 | 03:56 |
| xavpaice | i.e. big stick | 03:56 |
| andrewbogott | that doesn’t sound like something that should be easier! | 03:56 |
| andrewbogott | I mean, it presumes that the cloud archive is basically useless now, yes? | 03:57 |
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| xavpaice | well, I had some difficulties with package deps because we have multiple things installed on a small number of servers, so upgrades became and all or nothing thing | 03:58 |
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| xavpaice | which is why I built my own packages in venvs | 03:58 |
| * andrewbogott tries a dist-upgrade just to see what will happen | 04:00 | |
| andrewbogott | huh, that just uninstalled nova-compute. Didn’t expect that! | 04:02 |
| andrewbogott | I’m going to bed, will send a properly ranty email in the morning | 04:02 |
| andrewbogott | thanks xavpaice | 04:03 |
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| xavpaice | ah, yeah, that's the sort of thing that happened before I started building venv based packages | 04:10 |
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| xavpaice | can I recommend Giftwrap? It's awesome. | 04:10 |
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| xavpaice | http://ttx.re/new-versioning.html explains the rationale behind the version number changes | 04:13 |
| andrewbogott | ok, thanks. Seems like this is probably the cloud-archive’s screwup; surely it’s possible to make the dependencies work out right. | 04:16 |
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| arcimboldo | having trouble detaching a cinder volume in kilo w/ ceph: "Exception during message handling: <type 'NoneType'> can't be decoded" any idea how to fix it? | 14:15 |
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| clayton | andrewbogott: the new packages have higher epochs on them, the upgrade works fine for us so far | 14:39 |
| clayton | the version numbers are actually like 2:12.0.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0 | 14:39 |
| andrewbogott | clayton: that’s encouraging… let me start over and see if I can reproduce last night’s issue... | 14:40 |
| andrewbogott | the first thing that greets me when I ‘apt-get install nova-compute’ is | 14:40 |
| andrewbogott | nova-compute : Depends: nova-common (= 2:12.0.1-0ubuntu1~cloud0) but it is not going to be installed | 14:40 |
| andrewbogott | wait, hang on, I may have something pinned way down in the dependency chain... | 14:42 |
| andrewbogott | yes! ok, this was my dumb mistake (which is really the best possible outcome) | 14:44 |
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| admin0 | suddenly neutron agent-list shows all XXX .. down .. restart of the agents show OK connected to rabbit | 15:24 |
| admin0 | what could be the issue ? | 15:24 |
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| clayton | with no changes? | 15:26 |
| clayton | what version of openstack? | 15:26 |
| admin0 | killed rabbit, started again, worked :( | 15:28 |
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| dmsimard | oh, a rabbitmq issue. | 15:29 |
| admin0 | phew ! | 15:30 |
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| admin0 | 2016-02-26 17:00:25.331 82324 WARNING neutron.openstack.common.rpc.amqp [req-3f2d6075-a3a5-4c9d-9574-cc76056b226d None] _call_waiters: {} === what does this mean ? | 16:20 |
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| admin0 | hey all :) | 21:22 |
| admin0 | can keystone ( only keystone) be upgraded from say icehouse => liberty, keeping the icehouse cluster/region working .. and opening up the possibility to add region2 in liberty ? | 21:22 |
| stevemar | mfisch: ^ would you happen to know =\ | 21:24 |
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| stevemar | admin0: actually, i'm not sure we even support db migrations from n-3 | 21:26 |
| stevemar | you may have to go icehouse -> kilo, then kilo -> liberty | 21:26 |
| admin0 | that i can do .. just for liberty | 21:26 |
| admin0 | just for keystone* | 21:26 |
| admin0 | but but but .i want ot know if it breaks existing icehouse running cluster | 21:27 |
| admin0 | stevemar: my use case is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/enable-installation-as-alternate-region | 21:29 |
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| clayton | stevemar: it wouldn't be surprising if it worked, unless the old migrations are removed for some reason | 21:38 |
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| admin0 | if legacy supprort is maintained, and keystone only allowed to upgrade, it would help a lot | 21:43 |
| admin0 | operators can simply add newer clusters as regionX and provides a migration path | 21:44 |
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| admin0 | no need to redo user/pass .. or rewrite billing scripts that tie in to uuids | 21:44 |
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| mfisch | admin0: it will probably work | 23:28 |
| mfisch | thats my best guess, other services could stay behind | 23:28 |
| mfisch | most we've ever done is N +/- 1 | 23:28 |
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