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| mgagne | mfisch effect of memcached for keystonemiddleware on API operations: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool-internap (select 7 days, effect starts at ~2/5) | 01:46 |
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| stevemar | mgagne: good results for create/list/delete servers | 01:52 |
| mgagne | yea, will see for effect of fernet token later this week | 01:52 |
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| mriedem | open question: how frequently do operators pick up stable/liberty point releases (since they are decentralized now), maybe there aren't that many on liberty yet, | 16:11 |
| mriedem | or do ops usually wait until the first few stable branch point releases are out before upgrading to stable+1? | 16:11 |
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| klindgren | we use to do stable.1 - but the last few times we moved overwe were at stable.0 | 16:21 |
| klindgren | we haven't moved to liberty yet | 16:22 |
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| yankcrime | historically we've waited until the first stable point release | 16:38 |
| yankcrime | but yeah, we've also yet to get to liberty | 16:38 |
| yankcrime | (we being datacentred) | 16:38 |
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| mriedem | anyone know if cern is on liberty yet? | 16:51 |
| mriedem | klindgren: yankcrime: i'm assuming picking up stable point releases for the release you're on, e.g. kilo 2015.1.3, is not terribly difficult since there shouldn't be config changes or things removed to worry about | 16:52 |
| klindgren | its somewhat difficult | 16:52 |
| klindgren | its a day or more effort | 16:52 |
| klindgren | to go through and rebase all the patches | 16:53 |
| yankcrime | yeah, we've some custom patches etc. in place that we need to be careful with | 16:53 |
| * yankcrime nods | 16:53 | |
| mriedem | oh right, didn't think about that | 16:53 |
| mriedem | i just meant the actual update of the packages and restarting services | 16:53 |
| klindgren | most of the time though point releases aren't *terrible* | 16:53 |
| klindgren | yea - installing the new package and the like for us in the same practice as doing major upgrades | 16:54 |
| klindgren | we have the packages always replace the config files then have puppet reconfigure the config files as needed and puppet restarts the services | 16:54 |
| klindgren | re: rebaseing of patches - most of the time that stuff is pretty trivial as well - rarely do we have to fix anything most of the time if we do - its moving line numbers | 16:55 |
| klindgren | but we do have to test point releases pretty well | 16:55 |
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| klindgren | more than once has a point releases (especially on the keystone side) totally fubared shit | 16:55 |
| klindgren | Like the utf8 conversion of bianary data in ldap fields - because they weren;t asking for specific enough fields | 16:56 |
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| mriedem | ok, i did see the bug you guys reported against keystone (or one of the keystone libs) in keystone a couple of weeks ago that led to a bunch of reverts | 16:56 |
| klindgren | then the domains issues inder v2 tha they reverted | 16:56 |
| mriedem | klindgren: those were in stable point releases or just moving to kilo.0? | 16:57 |
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| klindgren | I think - nova has been pretty good for us | 16:57 |
| klindgren | kilo.0 -> kilo.2 | 16:57 |
| mriedem | ah | 16:57 |
| klindgren | for the keystone domains issue | 16:58 |
| klindgren | and the other one iirc was like icehouse .2 -> icehouse.3 | 16:58 |
| mriedem | hmm, would be interesting to get a post-mortem from stevemar on that, what went wrong and why they weren't caught | 16:58 |
| mriedem | i might be mistaken but i don't think keystone has CI for ldap | 16:58 |
| klindgren | they dont - and we are AD | 16:58 |
| klindgren | so its even more fun | 16:59 |
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| klindgren | <3 | 16:59 |
| mriedem | yeah i can imagine | 16:59 |
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| mriedem | o | 17:00 |
| mriedem | *i'll be interested to know how ops people deal with / feel about liberty stable point releases when they get there since the cats release themselves now | 17:00 |
| mriedem | and some projects are releasing rapidly on stable/liberty, like neutron | 17:00 |
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| klindgren | honestly - I htink I am going to be treating them as one big stable point releae | 17:01 |
| klindgren | rev everything at the same time - most likely skip a few of the faster ones - depending on what they fix | 17:02 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i assumed that people would just update on certain schedules | 17:03 |
| mriedem | unless there was like a security fix they needed to pick up right away | 17:03 |
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| clayton | mriedem: I think for most operators upgrading every six months is plenty. I'm sure plenty of people upgrade between dot releases, btu I doubt it's the common case | 18:46 |
| clayton | especially if you run multiple services on a single node and use upstream packages, since that means you're going to have to restart ovs agent to upgrade, which is usually customer impacting | 18:47 |
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| mriedem | what did i just miss? connection dropped | 18:52 |
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| mgagne | mriedem someone upgraded and restarted ovs :D | 18:55 |
| mgagne | "mriedem: I think for most operators upgrading every six months is plenty. I'm sure plenty of people upgrade between dot releases, btu I doubt it's the common case" | 18:56 |
| mgagne | "especially if you run multiple services on a single node and use upstream packages, since that means you're going to have to restart ovs agent to upgrade, which is usually customer impacting" | 18:56 |
| clayton | fwiw, that's better in liberty, but it's still not fixed. | 18:56 |
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| xavpaice | heck, I thought that was fixed in liberty | 19:21 |
| xavpaice | (restarting the neutron agent used to drop all the flows when it started back up rather than checking them off) - thought that wasn't the case in liberty. Haven't done the upgrade yet to find out :( | 19:22 |
| clayton | xavpaice: it's better in liberty, I'm actually in the middle of doing testing to quantify the difference | 19:23 |
| clayton | it used to drop all the flows, now the br-int and br-tun flows stay up, but the br-ex flows are dropped | 19:23 |
| clayton | It looks like the issue is that the br-ex flows are dropped, then all the br-tun flows are repopulated, then all the br-ex flows are setup again. | 19:23 |
| clayton | which basically means routers can't reach out during that time... | 19:24 |
| clayton | there is also a window where the patch port between br-int and br-tun is torn down during OVS agent restart, but that's much smaller, probably not noticable in almost all cases. | 19:25 |
| xavpaice | ouch | 19:26 |
| xavpaice | so, still customer impacting, therefore preventing us doing maintenance | 19:27 |
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| xavpaice | good to know :) | 19:27 |
| clayton | there is a patch in progress for mitaka to fix it | 19:27 |
| clayton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1514056 | 19:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514056 in neutron "Set agent timestamp aka cookie to physical bridges" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Eugene Nikanorov (enikanorov) | 19:27 |
| xavpaice | meh, liberty's old hat now. | 19:27 |
| clayton | this is someting that's hard to test in the gate, so it's hard to detect regressions too | 19:28 |
| * xavpaice sets watch on that bug | 19:28 | |
| xavpaice | for sure | 19:28 |
| clayton | when I was doing my investigation, I put a sleep 10 in rootwrap, so it's pretty obvious then ;) | 19:28 |
| xavpaice | I'll bet | 19:29 |
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| mdorman | anybody have a working example of using the HTTPProxyToWSGI middleware with neutron (or anything else)? struggling with it a bit. | 20:31 |
| mdorman | 2016-02-09 13:27:53.300 22959 TRACE neutron.common.config LookupError: No loader given in section 'filter:httpproxytowsgi' | 20:32 |
| mdorman | [filter:httpproxytowsgi] | 20:32 |
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