Friday, 2015-11-13

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mfischklindgren: not sure if this is related to your conductor issues but do you guys have this set?00:37
mfisch'DEFAULT/scheduler_tracks_instance_changes': value => 'False'00:37
mfischthat ate us alive in Kilo00:37
mfischits for scheduler but I wasnt around when they set it, maybe it affects conductor too?00:38
mfischprobably not related00:38
klindgrenI can check -but since we dont do migrations - we did not notice it killing us00:39
klindgrenassuming that actual work needs to be done if a vm was migrated between hosts00:39
mfischIIRC we had issues even launching with tha00:39
mfischits a polling feature00:39
mfischevery scheduler polls every hypervisor every 2 minutes for all vms00:40
mfischby default00:40
mfischdoes not scale well00:40
mfischnova-conductor is not our #1 cpu user, neutron-server is00:40
klindgrenwe can disable - but I see nova-scheduler getting vm instance stuff, and its not hammering things00:40
klindgrenneutron-server doesn't even run on these guys00:40
klindgrenbut generally neutron server is pretty low on the list for us00:41
mfischI'll follow the wiki and see what you guys find out00:41
klindgrendisabled it on one host - seeing if it made a difference00:45
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PietAre there any folks in this channel that do bare metal provisioning?  We're working on a project to create a UI for a standalone Ironic client and would like to conduct some interviews to get our use cases in order.01:04
PietWe will also need a few folks to review wireframes of the proposed UI01:06
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klindgrenPiet, I know the Yahoo! people are01:39
klindgrenwe aren't (yet)01:39
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harlowja_klindgren who what01:54
harlowja_lol01:54
harlowja_UI for standalone though :-/01:54
harlowja_not exactly how we (yahoo) i think want this whole cloud thing to work out (people shouldn't really care if they get baremetal/vms....)01:55
harlowja_Piet why not horizon integration and go that path?01:55
harlowja_or is UI --> horizon?01:55
balajinyeah, i think we are looking at horizon integration01:56
balajinironic client is not exposed to our users01:56
balajinusers use nova irrespective of vm or bm01:56
balajinour == yahoo01:56
balajinPiet: ^^01:57
lhchengharlowja_: standalone UI - not horizon, I think there is another work to do it horizon too01:58
* lhcheng shrugs01:58
harlowja_ya, meh, if someone wants it, i guess have fun01:58
harlowja_to me its not the right long-term path01:59
balajinmfisch: curios to know why you abdandoned the keystone role swapper review01:59
balajinwas it the too many -1 for nitpicks?01:59
balajinlhcheng: :)01:59
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harlowja_balajin have u been nitpicking again02:01
harlowja_the doctor told u not to nitpick anymore, lol02:01
lhchengbalajin: what's the role swapper?02:03
lhchengbalajin: I think the ironic UI would be dealing with node mgmt, that's probably something end-user should be responsible for?02:04
lhcheng*shouldn't02:04
harlowja_lhcheng agreed, if users have to pick between [bm, vm] and really in all honesty care that they are different, i think we have lost the bigger cloud effort02:05
lhcheng++02:06
harlowja_[bm, vm, containers] imho, its really not about the underlying stuff in the end02:06
harlowja_i've been building some of the maybe this is how we could all go into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/5/specs/super-scheduler.rst ...02:09
harlowja_nothing in that says bm, vm, containers...02:09
harlowja_(which feels like the right way to go)02:10
harlowja_search for 'resource plan (displayed below as YAML)' in that02:10
PietSorry...02:12
PietThey're doing both02:12
* harlowja_ just learned about http://www.btrplace.org/ (intersting)02:12
Pietharlowja_ They are creating a plugin for Horizon and a standalone client02:12
harlowja_Piet intersting02:13
harlowja_wonder how that furthers the goal of not caring about vm, bm, containers...02:13
harlowja_anyways, bbl02:13
lhchengharlowja_: interesting02:13
lhchengharlowja_: later02:14
PietWe need folks with deep experience with hardware deployment to help drive direction02:14
Pietlhcheng any interest in participating?02:15
PietYou can also be using cobbler and provide good feedback02:16
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balajinlhcheng: harlowja_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242205/02:26
lhchengbalajin: the patch is submitted to the common ops tools repo02:31
* lhcheng ducks keystone being picky02:31
lhchengPiet: I don't have the experience, maybe balaji..02:33
lhchengwhat's cobbler?02:33
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balajinlhcheng: i never mentioned keystone02:38
balajinin terms of the proect02:38
balajin*project02:38
Pietlhcheng linux installation server http://cobbler.github.io/02:38
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balajinlhcheng:  imight have the experience but usually not the time :(02:38
Pietbalajin Any interest in helping the ironic team by providing your experiences w deployments?02:39
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lhchengbalajin: hah fair enough. its not clear why it got abandoned, perhaps a better version coming up.02:41
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balajinPiet: i am usually pretty busy and not much time02:45
balajinunless it is pointed questions, i dont have time02:45
PietIt's a one hour interview02:46
PietBut we'll take less02:46
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balajinPiet: let us catch up next week03:57
balajinwe can setup some time03:57
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mriedemdoes anyone here rely on the nova-manage service commands to hit the db directly in case n-api is down? there is a patch to deprecate those commands in favor of novaclient (which relies on the api):15:46
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/240858/15:46
andyhkyyes :)15:48
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mriedemi also posted to the ops ML15:50
andyhkythanks mriedem  :)15:50
mriedemplease comment in the ML or in the review15:50
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j^2if you haven’t seen the tools-contrib directory is live17:02
j^2I’ll be writing a readme and wiki page (probably the something) today17:03
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jlkFor your reading enjoyment today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244782/18:51
dmsimardThat's a lot of -118:51
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klindgren_So the only issue that I have is that to get branded an openstack cloud you need to have the defcore tests pass19:31
klindgren_if this guy wants to be build as the only solaris only openstack cloud - that should be his right to do so?19:32
klindgren_Solaris Only Openstack Powered Platform*19:32
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mdormani didn’t take the time to read that whole thing.19:44
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klindgren_to be billed*19:56
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openstackgerritJJ Asghar proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Adding the README  https://review.openstack.org/24531620:06
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PietQuick question for the group.  What is the average number of listeners that are added to a single load balancer?20:16
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klindgren_Hardware? or software?20:17
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PietBoth20:19
klindgren_On our HW lb's we run hundreds of VIP's with thousands of real servers.  Really total amount depends upon how close we are to the max conncurrent requests/s the LB can handle20:19
PietIn your opinion, does it make sense to limit operators to a single listener when creating a load balancer?  In this case, the user would need to go to the Load Balancers list view to add more listeners as an in-row Action.20:22
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mfischmdorman: have you looked at an erlang crash before?22:18
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mdormanmfisch:   sorry.  i have not22:58
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