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| balajin_ | is there a weekly or a monthly regualr operatos meeting | 04:16 |
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| balajin_ | if yes, could someone tell me the time / details or add it to the topic | 04:16 |
| balajin_ | thanks | 04:16 |
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| beddari | balajin_: I know there are several communities that meet regularly, in person, where are you? | 07:01 |
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| balajin_ | beddari: i am in bay area | 07:20 |
| balajin_ | i was specifically looking for the operators meetup that happen here on IRC | 07:20 |
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| beddari | balajin_: ok, yeah I've seen it happen but don't know the answers :) | 07:33 |
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| egon | balajin_: Where do you work? There's a few companies that have been getting together in person every 6-8 weeks or so. | 14:27 |
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| mfisch | mdorman: you still around? | 15:40 |
| mdorman | yup | 15:42 |
| mdorman | what’sup? | 15:45 |
| mdorman | mfisch | 15:45 |
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| mgagne_ | klindgren, jlk: that's the presentation you were looking for https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/session-videos/presentation/cold-start-booting-of-1000-vms-under-10-minutes | 18:00 |
| mgagne_ | klindgren, jlk: so I'm wondering if a link to this presentation is enough to answer Markus' request on the list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077635.html | 18:03 |
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| mgagne | klindgren, jlk: that's the presentation you were looking for https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/session-videos/presentation/cold-start-booting-of-1000-vms-under-10-minutes | 18:05 |
| mgagne | klindgren, jlk: so I'm wondering if a link to this presentation is enough to answer Markus' request on the list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077635.html | 18:05 |
| jlk | now in duplicate :) | 18:06 |
| egon_ | for redundancy. | 18:06 |
| mgagne | jlk: oh, I was wondering if my connection went bad or not :P | 18:06 |
| jlk | it couldnt hurt to send that presentation | 18:06 |
| jlk | also, any customer with a large image will want that pre-cached | 18:06 |
| jlk | like 20+G images | 18:06 |
| jlk | (yay windows...) | 18:07 |
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| klindgren | our windows images are smaller | 18:08 |
| klindgren | ~11 - 11.5g | 18:08 |
| mgagne | klindgren: are you installing windows update? | 18:08 |
| klindgren | depending on when the last time windows updates were slippstreamed | 18:08 |
| klindgren | mgagne, yes | 18:08 |
| klindgren | so 2k12r2 | 18:08 |
| mgagne | klindgren: tell me more about that slipstream process | 18:08 |
| klindgren | msdn release a new iso with every update roll up | 18:08 |
| klindgren | so like 1/4 | 18:09 |
| mgagne | klindgren: really? I have been lied to? :O | 18:09 |
| jlk | the RAX customer case was like windows + sql server + something else in there + more things in there so it balooned up fast | 18:09 |
| klindgren | then we have a task to cleanup the winsxs folder after updates are installed | 18:09 |
| jlk | oh yeah, if you're doing windows, gotta slipstream it | 18:10 |
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| klindgren | mgagne, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12896076/ | 18:11 |
| klindgren | we do that to remove the sxs files | 18:11 |
| klindgren | which will shirink the image if you are installing tons of updates | 18:11 |
| klindgren | by upwards of 7GB | 18:11 |
| klindgren | in the past | 18:11 |
| mgagne | klindgren: so you use windows to build your windows images? | 18:11 |
| klindgren | linux baby | 18:12 |
| mgagne | klindgren: tell me more =) | 18:12 |
| jlk | this. This is why this channel exists. | 18:12 |
| mgagne | klindgren: where is dism running? in the image itself? in a windows image you boot using qemu? | 18:13 |
| klindgren | bootup a kvm instance with the install dvd + floppy drive + virtio drivers | 18:13 |
| mgagne | klindgren: our build is taking more then 3h to complete (I went to sleep so I don't know how long it took) | 18:13 |
| klindgren | mgagne, ours was taking a while | 18:14 |
| klindgren | so I put the windows image into a ramdisk | 18:14 |
| mgagne | klindgren: I'm all ears if it takes less than 3h | 18:14 |
| klindgren | IE the qcow2 dir | 18:14 |
| klindgren | went from like 7 hours to build an image | 18:14 |
| klindgren | to like 3 | 18:14 |
| mgagne | klindgren: hmmm we were about to do the same but with SSD instead, still using old sata disks | 18:14 |
| klindgren | with an updated iso from the msdn site that prevents you from having to download a ton of updates | 18:14 |
| klindgren | its like 1 | 18:14 |
| klindgren | anyway I can put my build stuff up somewhere - I htink it already is | 18:15 |
| mgagne | klindgren: ok, I'll have to get some butt kicked, they kept telling there was no updated iso available :O | 18:15 |
| klindgren | thats wrong - they release a new iso every quarter or so | 18:16 |
| klindgren | whenver they do the update rollups | 18:16 |
| klindgren | as they are doing those vs's service packs | 18:16 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: our new coworker had to work on windows images and compared it to "the pain box" from Dune... | 18:17 |
| klindgren | yea | 18:17 |
| klindgren | its not fun | 18:17 |
| klindgren | but we have a process | 18:17 |
| klindgren | I borrowed heavily from cloudbases stuff they had | 18:18 |
| mgagne | klindgren: same here | 18:18 |
| klindgren | https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools | 18:18 |
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| klindgren | is what most of my stuff we based off of | 18:18 |
| klindgren | actually I htink it needs to be: https://github.com/cloudbase/windows-openstack-imaging-tools/tree/v1.0.0 | 18:19 |
| klindgren | new stuff seems ot use windows vs's linux | 18:19 |
| mgagne | klindgren: yea, we based it on those tools too | 18:19 |
| mgagne | klindgren: built on top of Oz | 18:19 |
| klindgren | ah - we didn't do that | 18:19 |
| mgagne | klindgren: although not perfect, Oz allows us to have a similar tool to build all images, linux and windows | 18:20 |
| klindgren | iirc i looked at oz but it didn't let you specify a customer autounattend.xml | 18:20 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: yes you can | 18:20 |
| mgagne | klindgren: but | 18:20 |
| klindgren | custom* | 18:21 |
| mgagne | klindgren: the customize part, I took it from a wiki at CERN | 18:21 |
| klindgren | ah | 18:21 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: https://gist.github.com/mgagne/644bf23038c439e38b91 | 18:22 |
| mgagne | klindgren: wiki is no longer available though | 18:22 |
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| klindgren | kk | 18:22 |
| klindgren | mgagne, anyway re: the dsim stuff | 18:22 |
| klindgren | we run that inside the vm image | 18:22 |
| klindgren | as we are building it | 18:22 |
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| klindgren | as one of the last few steps we do | 18:22 |
| klindgren | before we zerofill the disk drive, sysprep | 18:23 |
| mgagne | klindgren: so dsim can act on itself? you don't need to point it to a disk image ? :O | 18:23 |
| klindgren | then we shrink the qcow2 image to recliam disk space back form the qcow2 image | 18:23 |
| klindgren | yea | 18:23 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: great scott | 18:23 |
| klindgren | we lierarly run those command in a powershell console in the vm while we are building it | 18:23 |
| klindgren | and it will rmeove stuffs | 18:23 |
| klindgren | btw - it takes forever | 18:24 |
| klindgren | about the same amount of time as it takes to install the updates | 18:24 |
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| mgagne | klindgren: well, it already takes forever | 18:24 |
| klindgren | seriously - ram disk | 18:24 |
| klindgren | :-) | 18:24 |
| mgagne | klindgren: so forever will now takes forever to complete :O | 18:24 |
| mgagne | klindgren: yea, doing it now | 18:24 |
| klindgren | that alone shaved off 4-5 hours | 18:25 |
| klindgren | for us | 18:25 |
| mgagne | damn | 18:25 |
| klindgren | but what cut the most was getting an updated iso | 18:25 |
| klindgren | with all the updates to the update roll up download | 18:25 |
| mgagne | klindgren: my boss is telling me that msdn iso can't be used for prod. are you getting it from somewhere else instead? | 18:26 |
| klindgren | he's right I ment from our spla page | 18:26 |
| mgagne | right | 18:26 |
| mgagne | ok, asking him now | 18:26 |
| klindgren | ie: en_windows_server_2012_r2_vl_with_update_x64_dvd_6052766.iso | 18:27 |
| mgagne | "I don't care where you get it, that guy tells you Microsoft has updated iso, go find them" | 18:27 |
| mgagne | klindgren: yea, "with_update" is totally missing from our iso filename | 18:27 |
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| klindgren | http://usotsuki.info/windows-server-2012-r2-vl-with-update-dec15-2014-multi-t10036909.html | 18:28 |
| klindgren | just saying | 18:28 |
| klindgren | most likely newer ones as well | 18:28 |
| mgagne | haha, someone made the exact same joke a couple of minutes ago :P | 18:30 |
| klindgren | fyi | 18:31 |
| klindgren | http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2014/04/14/updated-volume-license-media-available-today-for-windows-server-2012-r2-update.aspx | 18:31 |
| klindgren | seems like you should be able to get it from: https://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/servicecenter/default.aspx?WT.mc_id=Blog_WS_Update_WS2012 | 18:32 |
| klindgren | you should fire your windows VL manager ;-) | 18:32 |
| mgagne | hehe | 18:32 |
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| mdorman | mfisch: did you still need something from earlier? | 19:25 |
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| prometheanfire | lwin 3 | 20:27 |
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| jlk | CLOSE! | 20:37 |
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| prometheanfire | but nope | 21:18 |
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