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| gfa | mfisch: when you do neutron l3-agent-router-add ${DST_AGENT_UUID} ${ROUTER_UUID} can $DST_AGENT_UUID be a disabled agent? | 02:18 |
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| gfa | i don't use L3 but i'm curious about this case | 02:19 |
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| mfisch | gfa: I dont think it will let you move ONTO the box but I think you can take off | 02:59 |
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| VW_ | evening folks | 03:00 |
| VW_ | or morning as the case may be | 03:00 |
| VW_ | we ready to start this thing? | 03:00 |
| mdorman | o/ | 03:01 |
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| VW_ | #startmeeting Large Deployments Team | 03:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 24 03:02:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team' | 03:02 |
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| sorrison_ | LDT meeting on now? | 03:02 |
| VW_ | yep sorrison_ | 03:02 |
| VW_ | just started it while you were off briefly | 03:02 |
| sorrison_ | howdy, yeah was trying to change my nick | 03:03 |
| VW_ | sorry folks. I've been traveling some and had a couple of larger issues at work, so I didn't get an agenda up on the wiki or anything | 03:04 |
| VW_ | but I thought we'd cover a few things | 03:04 |
| VW_ | 1. Feedback from the Neutron mid-cycle ( mdorman and klindgren made it there) | 03:04 |
| VW_ | 2. See if anyone has been with the Nova folks this week | 03:04 |
| VW_ | 3. Discuss the upcomiing Ops-midcycle and anything we want to get out of an LDT session there | 03:05 |
| VW_ | Anyone have anything else? | 03:05 |
| mdorman | sounds good to me. | 03:05 |
| sorrison | sounds good | 03:05 |
| VW_ | cool then | 03:07 |
| VW_ | #topic Neutron mid-cycle | 03:07 |
| mdorman | i can give an update on that. i don’t think klindgren is here (not sure) | 03:07 |
| VW_ | cool - that would be great | 03:08 |
| VW_ | for refference some good conversation was had with devs in our last LDT Meeting | 03:08 |
| VW_ | as we were discussing the feedback we'd given at the summit | 03:08 |
| VW_ | or following it | 03:08 |
| mdorman | so after our discussions in vancouver, kris, belmiro, and i and some others wrote up this RFE bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1458890 | 03:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458890 in neutron "Add segment support to Neutron" [Undecided,Triaged] | 03:08 |
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| mdorman | carl baldwin had kinda picked that up and thought it was somewhat a good fit for his routed networks spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196812/ | 03:09 |
| mdorman | so kris and i went to the neutron mid-cycle and spent an afternoon with those folks discussing the use case, and what our needs/requirements are | 03:09 |
| mdorman | so i think we were pretty successful in getting on the same page as far as what the ‘ask’ was | 03:09 |
| mdorman | generally it seemed like they were pretty open with moving in that directlion, and i think carl’s spec is a pretty good first step. | 03:10 |
| sorrison_ | It seems that it also requires some changes in what nova does too? | 03:10 |
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| klindgren | o/ - just got in | 03:10 |
| mdorman | i am not sure if any neutron folks will be at the ops mid cycle, but hopefully we can do something there to try to keep some momentum on this. the spec is pretty high level and doesn’t necessarily prescribe exactly what the changes would be to neutron. so i think there’s a lot of follow on work necessary to make something happen. | 03:11 |
| mdorman | sorrison: yeah, the scheulding problem. we had talked about that as well. | 03:11 |
| mdorman | somewhat rlated to that is the ip usages spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180803/ which we raised also | 03:11 |
| mdorman | and i think got agreement that people were good with going forward with that, but since then there hasn’t really been any activity on the spec. | 03:11 |
| mdorman | partially b/c we haven’t had time to give it attention, and partially because the only remaining decision points are specific to what the api looks like, and to some extent somebody just needs to make a decsion and go with it. | 03:12 |
| mdorman | and for that i feel like we need a neutron core to kinda endorse it so it can get merged. | 03:12 |
| mdorman | klindgren: do you have anything to add? | 03:12 |
| klindgren | They wanted to see/approve code - but we haven't gotten a review up that on master | 03:12 |
| klindgren | pretty much the cores there were good with it - with decisions being made once the code was there - re: naming of the actual api's | 03:13 |
| mdorman | yeah there was some sense that we may be able to just put a review up of the implementation and get it merged w/o a spec. | 03:13 |
| VW_ | I don't know of any Neutron folks at the mid-cycle, but I'll try and get updates from our two Neutron devs focused on upstream before then | 03:13 |
| VW_ | on both specs | 03:13 |
| mdorman | so again i think that is somewhat on us to just get that out there. | 03:13 |
| mdorman | cool | 03:13 |
| * VW_ is drafting a note to them now | 03:13 | |
| mdorman | klindgren: do you remember the guys name from rax that was at the neutron meeting? | 03:14 |
| klindgren | so we - as in Godaddy - just need to get code on gerrit | 03:14 |
| klindgren | I do not - VW does :-) | 03:14 |
| VW_ | I believe it was Miguel | 03:14 |
| klindgren | that sounds right | 03:14 |
| VW_ | he's also the Neutron Liason for cells v2 | 03:14 |
| VW_ | which is fortuitous with your other comments? | 03:15 |
| VW_ | :) | 03:15 |
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| klindgren | yes - not sure if thats a segway | 03:15 |
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| klindgren | but I get the sense that most of LDT is running cells and most of us has patches for cells | 03:15 |
| klindgren | I know mgange doesn, I know we are running most of the ones from NecTAR | 03:16 |
| klindgren | I assume that rackspace has some as well | 03:16 |
| sorrison | godaddy are you running Juno? | 03:16 |
| klindgren | Thinking we should generate a list of what patches we are running to fix things, and try to get the common ones merged | 03:16 |
| klindgren | Juno -> kilo in a week | 03:16 |
| mdorman | anyway re #1 and neutron stuff, i think next steps are for GD to get a review out there for the ip usages api extension, and then all of us circle up at mid-cycle to talk about the routed networks spec and focus on getting more ops feedback on the spec itself, with hopes of it getting attention. | 03:16 |
| VW_ | Sounds good mdorman | 03:17 |
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| mdorman | #action go daddy staff to post neutron review with ip usages api extension | 03:17 |
| sorrison | so sounds like only real thing we are missing is code? | 03:18 |
| mdorman | for ip usages extension? yeah i think so. | 03:18 |
| sorrison | and segment support? | 03:18 |
| klindgren | Segment support is the spec that is being lead by Carl Baldwin - but yes - bascially all we are missing upstream is everything :-) | 03:19 |
| VW_ | ha | 03:19 |
| mdorman | i think teh segment support isgoing to involve some larger architectural changes/additions to neutron before it’s possible | 03:19 |
| sorrison | yeah I think it is more than just code, it's architectural decisions etc. too which makes me think it's no short term thing here | 03:20 |
| mdorman | agreed. i do not get the sense it would be coming anytime soon. | 03:20 |
| klindgren | yea - I got the sense that Liberty even M time frame is not happening | 03:20 |
| sorrison | So none of the neutron cores have really started to think how we can achieve this? | 03:21 |
| mdorman | i think carl baldwin is really the only one who is seriously thinking about it | 03:21 |
| sorrison | it's a start :-) | 03:21 |
| mdorman | yeah. | 03:21 |
| mdorman | there may be others. but he’s the only one i’ve seen championing it | 03:22 |
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| * VW_ will attempt to help increase that number | 03:22 | |
| VW_ | these minutes and the specs will all be in what I pass on to some of our Neutron folks | 03:22 |
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| mdorman | cool | 03:23 |
| mdorman | anyways i think that probably wraps up topic #1 | 03:23 |
| VW_ | I know their plates are full , but if they can help push | 03:23 |
| VW_ | yep | 03:23 |
| VW_ | and since you segway'ed nicely earlier, I'll modify my agenda | 03:23 |
| VW_ | #topic Cells v1 patches | 03:23 |
| VW_ | :) | 03:23 |
| klindgren | sorry :-/ | 03:23 |
| VW_ | not a problem at all | 03:24 |
| VW_ | I think it's useful stuff to chat about | 03:24 |
| sorrison | We have a few patches I want to try get upstream somehow... | 03:24 |
| sorrison | https://github.com/NeCTAR-RC/nova/commits/nectar/kilo | 03:24 |
| sorrison | just rebased ours onto kilo | 03:24 |
| sorrison | some don't make sense upstream, some won't be needed once neutron comes around but some are useful | 03:25 |
| klindgren | So - repeat of the above - I think everyone who runs cells has patchs that they have been carrying. Think it would be good to get a list going - between everyone and either get them upstream - or get them into a repo that other people can pull in | 03:25 |
| sorrison | sounds great | 03:25 |
| sorrison | anyone from CERN here? | 03:25 |
| sorrison | they maybe sleeping | 03:25 |
| VW_ | yeah, I suspect they are | 03:26 |
| VW_ | and I'm not sure if any are coming to Palo Alto either | 03:26 |
| VW_ | sorrison are you? | 03:26 |
| sorrison | no bit far for me and $$$ | 03:27 |
| VW_ | yeah - figured so | 03:27 |
| sorrison | One thing that we do which is a bit different is run our vncproxy and consoleauth at a per cell level as opposed at the API cell, what do others do here? | 03:27 |
| mdorman | we do api cell | 03:28 |
| sorrison | so does that mean your vnc can talk to all your hypervisors? | 03:28 |
| klindgren | anyone have a feeling of how accepting upstream would be of a combined patchset from LDT, for cells v1? I know in the past it seemed like anything re: cells was not well recieved | 03:28 |
| mdorman | it’s spice for us, but yes it can. | 03:28 |
| VW_ | I like the patch set idea | 03:29 |
| VW_ | 1. to solve some of our problems and make them upstream | 03:29 |
| sorrison | The AZ stuff I think multiple sites are using right? | 03:29 |
| mdorman | yup | 03:29 |
| sorrison | So that would be a good one to get upstreamed | 03:30 |
| VW_ | 2. to push the concept of Ops inserting tangible work into the development cycle | 03:30 |
| sorrison | Which dev do we send beers to? | 03:30 |
| VW_ | the challenge I see is most of folks on the Nova team that would pretty favorable to this are the RAX devs | 03:30 |
| VW_ | and most of them are very V2 focused | 03:30 |
| sorrison | Do we just wait for V2? | 03:31 |
| VW_ | I don't know that that is the best answer eitehr | 03:31 |
| VW_ | either even | 03:31 |
| klindgren | sounds like V2 is 1+ year out for multi cell deployment? | 03:31 |
| VW_ | yeah, that's what I'm hearing too | 03:31 |
| VW_ | it's not going to be M | 03:31 |
| klindgren | M is one and only one cell for everyone afaik | 03:32 |
| mdorman | i would assume the v1 is going to remain mostly static, since v2 is a rewrite | 03:32 |
| mdorman | so it seems like we could probably make a decent case for merging in this stuff for v1 | 03:32 |
| VW_ | yeah, klindgren, but that was origionally going to be L | 03:32 |
| VW_ | at least some of it | 03:33 |
| klindgren | yea - thats why we moved to cells earlier :-) | 03:33 |
| klindgren | ha! | 03:33 |
| klindgren | its coming in 6 months! | 03:33 |
| klindgren | and sigh | 03:33 |
| mdorman | although since v2 is so far off, we will probably end up being large enough to need more than one cell by then anyway. so maybe not as bad of a decision as it seems | 03:33 |
| klindgren | indeed | 03:34 |
| VW_ | how about this. Assuming we get and LDT slot at the mid-cycle, let's put a common cells v1 patch set on the agenda. | 03:34 |
| mdorman | anyway, +1 to the patchset idea. get review(s) out there as a starting point | 03:34 |
| mdorman | agreed. | 03:34 |
| VW_ | we don't have to decide it all then, but we can chat about it more and between now and then, I can try to fish out some idea of how successful something like that might be from Garbutt and Laski | 03:35 |
| VW_ | report back at the meet-up | 03:35 |
| mdorman | cool | 03:35 |
| sorrison | Do we need to start with specs? Or one big spec? | 03:35 |
| VW_ | that's a good question | 03:36 |
| VW_ | probably a few specs - some may move faster than others | 03:36 |
| VW_ | but I'd like to get a feel for how much room there is try and push | 03:36 |
| sorrison | Eg. as an example the "instance-name" attribute isn't correct when using cells so it could be classified as a bug | 03:37 |
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| VW_ | Good point, sorrison | 03:37 |
| VW_ | perhaps we start an etherpad for cells v1 patches folks are running | 03:37 |
| klindgren | AZ's doesn't work with cells, flavor create doesn't work wither - without patches | 03:37 |
| VW_ | then we can get LDT folks to add to it | 03:37 |
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| klindgren | vif plug stuff doesn't work - without patches | 03:38 |
| sorrison | yeah that sounds good | 03:38 |
| VW_ | since we know sorrison (super helpful cells Ops dude) won't be there | 03:38 |
| VW_ | and I don't know about the CERN folks either | 03:38 |
| sorrison | yeah I have that under review but needs a small change | 03:38 |
| sorrison | lets action that | 03:38 |
| klindgren | yea - I think we run all of sorrison's patches :-) | 03:38 |
| VW_ | #action VW create cells v1 patches etherpad | 03:39 |
| sorrison | there will be a time when I will ask something of you :-) | 03:39 |
| VW_ | sounds ominous :P | 03:40 |
| klindgren | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-LDT-cells-patches | 03:40 |
| VW_ | sweet | 03:40 |
| VW_ | I'll get a note out on the mailing list about that | 03:41 |
| VW_ | thanks, klindgren | 03:41 |
| VW_ | alright that seems done for now | 03:43 |
| VW_ | #topic Nova mid-cylce | 03:43 |
| klindgren | sorrison, thats fine :-) if we can ever return the favor | 03:43 |
| klindgren | s/cylce/cycle | 03:43 |
| VW_ | blargh | 03:43 |
| * VW_ blames the lateness of the evening | 03:43 | |
| klindgren | I can't type normally anyway | 03:44 |
| klindgren | So - Mike and I are going to mid-cycle | 03:44 |
| klindgren | I think we are going to do a lightning talk - not sure what yet | 03:45 |
| VW_ | very cool | 03:45 |
| VW_ | anyone have close contacts at the Nova mid-cycle this week? | 03:45 |
| VW_ | We have several devs there | 03:45 |
| klindgren | but not really sure whats going to happen in the general session | 03:45 |
| klindgren | I do not | 03:45 |
| VW_ | but I haven't been able to catch up with them | 03:45 |
| sorrison | I can always harass michael still | 03:46 |
| VW_ | I think most of us chimed in on the thread with Dave (who was there) about the v1/v2 DB behavior | 03:46 |
| mdorman | med_ was at nova mid cycle, not sure if he’s here now though | 03:47 |
| mdorman | ah, yup, what you jsut said. | 03:47 |
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| VW_ | I'll see what I can find out from Garbutt and Laski | 03:48 |
| VW_ | at least John and I are in the same staff meeting on a weekly basis | 03:48 |
| VW_ | assuming there be some debrief from Nova mid-cycle there | 03:48 |
| VW_ | so, moving along | 03:49 |
| VW_ | #topic Ops - mid-cycle | 03:49 |
| VW_ | anything related to the OPs meetup besides what we've already discussed? | 03:50 |
| VW_ | I'm fairly interested in the CMDB chat | 03:50 |
| mdorman | i feel like we have a pretty good LDT-specific agenda to work with there. | 03:50 |
| * klindgren hangs head in shame - I thought we were talking about the OPS midcycle | 03:50 | |
| VW_ | I agree mdorman | 03:51 |
| klindgren | I haven't been paying attention to the CMDB stuff - is that coming from RAX? | 03:51 |
| VW_ | it's not | 03:51 |
| VW_ | but based on email threads, I'm thinking that we've solved a lot of what people want | 03:52 |
| VW_ | so, my plan is to have most of my folks there listening intently | 03:52 |
| klindgren | I do have a general ops question - does anyone find glance's option around images sharing missing features? | 03:52 |
| VW_ | hrm | 03:53 |
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| VW_ | not necessarily, but I don't think we've gone too far down that road | 03:53 |
| klindgren | Specifically - anyone can make an image public | 03:53 |
| klindgren | that then shows up to everyone. | 03:53 |
| sorrison | that's controlled by policy | 03:53 |
| sorrison | it came in juno | 03:53 |
| klindgren | policy as in restricting who can set image = public? | 03:54 |
| sorrison | yes | 03:54 |
| klindgren | like what I am getting is that typical enterprise setup here... | 03:54 |
| klindgren | I want to have cloud blessed iamges - IE these come from some corprate things and everyone should have these | 03:55 |
| klindgren | and hten have per department scoped images | 03:55 |
| sorrison | "publicize_image": "role:admin", | 03:55 |
| mdorman | ^^ nice | 03:55 |
| klindgren | like a department may have 30-40 tenants | 03:55 |
| * VW_ afk for 2 minutes | 03:55 | |
| klindgren | and sharing between those tenants in cumberson as you have to share each time a tenant for that department is added | 03:56 |
| klindgren | I guess I want heirarchical projects - implemented in glance | 03:56 |
| mdorman | yeah i would be nice ot see glance (and other projects) embrace that | 03:56 |
| klindgren | SO I can keep x departments specific image from being used by y department | 03:56 |
| * VW_ back | 03:57 | |
| klindgren | Specifically on our internal cloud where we have our hosting teams dev/test and they create the images to be used in the public cloud internally | 03:58 |
| klindgren | I want to keep our internal guys from firing up CoreOS images in our corporate zones :-) | 03:58 |
| VW_ | so, in the larger picture, I think that as soon as we get traction on a comon LDT push with Nova, that Glance should be next in line | 03:58 |
| mdorman | +1 | 03:59 |
| klindgren | kk - I am a huge +1 on that | 03:59 |
| VW_ | Let's keep it on the radar then and maybe as early as Tokyo we can make that a big agenda item | 03:59 |
| VW_ | when we have a bit more time and folks | 03:59 |
| sorrison | sounds good | 04:00 |
| VW_ | cool - well we are out of meeting time | 04:00 |
| VW_ | but if you guys can stick around for as second after I end meeting I'd appreciate it | 04:01 |
| mdorman | sure | 04:01 |
| VW_ | cool - anything else "official" | 04:01 |
| mdorman | newp | 04:01 |
| mdorman | thanks as always for organizing VW_ | 04:01 |
| VW_ | my pleasure | 04:01 |
| klindgren | nothing from me either | 04:01 |
| sorrison | sure | 04:01 |
| VW_ | these last two have been really good meetings | 04:01 |
| sorrison | yeah thanks VW_ | 04:02 |
| VW_ | cool then | 04:02 |
| VW_ | #endmeeting | 04:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 24 04:02:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2015/large_deployments_team.2015-07-24-03.02.html | 04:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2015/large_deployments_team.2015-07-24-03.02.txt | 04:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2015/large_deployments_team.2015-07-24-03.02.log.html | 04:02 |
| sorrison | thanks for having it in a sane timezome for me too! | 04:02 |
| VW_ | well, now that we have a time, we'll make this a recurring deal every other month, sorrison | 04:02 |
| * gfa i'm RO here, but timezone is great for me | 04:02 | |
| VW_ | target 3rd Friday (for you) in most cases | 04:03 |
| VW_ | glad you could listen in gfa | 04:03 |
| mdorman | so what’s up? | 04:03 |
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| klindgren | yea - I was looking at the OPS-meetup seems a little lite? | 04:03 |
| VW_ | so, the momentum is starting to build to push our Fleet Management suite upstream | 04:04 |
| klindgren | maybe - I just dont have a ton of things burning up my world this time :-) | 04:04 |
| klindgren | *cough* rabbitmq *cough* | 04:04 |
| VW_ | lol | 04:04 |
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| klindgren | VW_, I would love to use :-) | 04:05 |
| sorrison | sweet! | 04:05 |
| klindgren | for what I saw atleast | 04:05 |
| VW_ | yeah, so, I have no idea on how the timing would work | 04:05 |
| VW_ | and this whole Intel thing might influence that | 04:05 |
| VW_ | but you guys had expressed interest in them, so I wanted to make you aware | 04:06 |
| mdorman | intel thing? | 04:06 |
| sorrison | yeah cool, happy to be early beta testers or something | 04:06 |
| VW_ | one moment | 04:06 |
| mdorman | agreed, definitely interested in checking it out | 04:07 |
| VW_ | http://www.rackspace.com/blog/rackspace-and-intel-form-the-openstack-innovation-center/ | 04:07 |
| klindgren | yes - auditor/resolver | 04:07 |
| mdorman | ah ok | 04:07 |
| VW_ | well, beta testers and hopefully contributors | 04:07 |
| VW_ | :) | 04:07 |
| VW_ | anyway, I should know a lot more by Tokyo. I actually subitted a proposal to just talk fleet management | 04:08 |
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| sorrison | yip, for sure | 04:08 |
| klindgren | 2x1k nodes - nice | 04:08 |
| VW_ | yeah, klindgren - hopeuflly that will slove a lot of the "issues" we see with some patches when they hit big deployments | 04:09 |
| klindgren | Finally start pushing people on the "highly scaleable" part of the openstack promise | 04:09 |
| VW_ | yep | 04:09 |
| mdorman | cool cool | 04:09 |
| VW_ | anyway, I won't dwell on this now | 04:09 |
| VW_ | just wanted to make you all aware that I'm pushing in that direction | 04:09 |
| mdorman | good deal | 04:09 |
| mdorman | thanks | 04:09 |
| sorrison | great, we'd love to get involved | 04:09 |
| VW_ | and will come knocking as soon as things are at a point that it makes sense | 04:10 |
| mdorman | sounds good | 04:10 |
| VW_ | awesome - well it's late here, so I'm going to to a bit of post meeting tidying up and hit the sack | 04:11 |
| VW_ | thanks again, guys | 04:11 |
| klindgren | thank you | 04:11 |
| mdorman | later all. | 04:11 |
| VW_ | will see (some of) you in Palo Alto. | 04:11 |
| sorrison | cool thanks, see you all | 04:12 |
| sorrison | well I'll still be here, it's only 2:12pm | 04:12 |
| klindgren | sorrison, awesome | 04:14 |
| * VW_ will get to Austraila some day - some day... | 04:16 | |
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| VW_ | klindgren: still around? | 04:28 |
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| VW_ | nm - found what I needed, klindgren | 04:30 |
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| VW_ | sorrison: around? | 04:44 |
| VW_ | if so, will you check that I've got everything updated correctly here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/LDT | 04:44 |
| klindgren | I am still here - though | 04:48 |
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| arcimboldo | Hi stackers, do you know why neutron-plugin-openvswitch-agent is not logging to syslog even though "use_syslog=True" is present in neutron.conf? | 17:07 |
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| klindgren | I don't use syslog - but I would confirm that openvswitch agent is started with a --config to your neutron.conf in addition to your openvswitch plugin ini | 17:21 |
| arcimboldo | yes it is: /usr/bin/neutron-openvswitch-agent --config-file=/etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file=/etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini | 17:25 |
| klindgren | I have nothing then - like I said I use file | 17:36 |
| arcimboldo | do you use logstash/kibana or similar tools? | 17:46 |
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| dmsimard | oh, he's gone, but I think he needed to configure syslog_log_facility too. | 19:19 |
| klindgren | ah | 19:19 |
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| Piet | We're looking for a few folks that have either moved to Neutron from Nova Networks or planning to stay with Nova Networks for an interview. Please reach-out to me if you're interested in participating! | 20:16 |
| Piet | As always, the results of the interviews will be shared with the community. | 20:20 |
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| xavpaice | what is the difference between role 'Member' and '_member_' in keystone? | 23:26 |
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