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| xavpaice | mgagne: I had that issue moving to Juno, haven't yet tried Kilo | 03:53 |
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| xavpaice | mgagne: I added a ./debian/rules refresh-xstatic to make the deb's if that helps at all | 03:53 |
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| sorrison | mgagne: yeah we hacked around it a bit. See https://github.com/NeCTAR-RC/horizon/commits/debian/2014.2 | 07:09 |
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| verdurin | We're looking at how to configure inbound and outbound external access on our Icehouse system. | 14:50 |
| verdurin | One proposal is to have a single VLAN per project, with two subnets. | 14:50 |
| verdurin | The first subnet would allow outbound access, via PAT rules on the Cisco appliance. | 14:50 |
| verdurin | The second subnet would allow inbound access, with our limited pool of internet IPs, using NAT rules on the Cisco hardware. | 14:51 |
| verdurin | Does that sound feasible/sensible/crazy? | 14:51 |
| verdurin | The alternative mooted approach is to have separate VLANs for each purpose within each project, but the appliances do have constraints on the number of VLANs they support. | 14:52 |
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| mgagne | sorrison: thanks for the follow up. it's unfortunate that we can't reproduce the upstream build without such "hack" :-/ | 15:27 |
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| klindgren | verdurin, that sounds like a mess. | 18:31 |
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| klindgren | Whats the actual requirement you are trying to work around? | 18:34 |
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| klindgren | clayton, you there? | 21:42 |
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| verdurin | klindgren: we're certainly open to suggestions | 21:53 |
| klindgren | verdurin, I dont get the requirement to have inbound traffic on one subnet and outbound traffic on another? | 21:55 |
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| verdurin | klindgren: It's not a requirement, really. | 21:55 |
| verdurin | It's one mechanism that's been suggested in order to allow for people who want no external access at all. | 21:56 |
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| klindgren | We do something similar - but its also kind of a mess. We have the vm's get rfc1918 ip's as their ip address | 21:58 |
| klindgren | the networks are frontend by a firewall that does a hide-nat so that those instances can talk to the internet if they need too | 21:58 |
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| klindgren | then we use floating ip'ss or loadbalancers to allow inbound traffic to the vm's that need it | 21:59 |
| klindgren | one could also configure 1-1 nat's on the firewall device to permit that traffic as well 100% outside of openstack | 22:00 |
| verdurin | Yes, that sounds like what we're after. | 22:00 |
| klindgren | if you do that - you may want to use floating ip's that are also rfc1918 ip address spacing so that you dont kill your people doing firewall configs with changes | 22:01 |
| verdurin | (yes to both approaches, really - the first one is similar to what we're talking about, the latter has been suggested, too) | 22:01 |
| klindgren | so you associate a floating ip to the vm and add the nat rule to the floating ip - so that you can swap out vm's without causing a change | 22:02 |
| klindgren | on our end - we dont have the upstream firewall changes managed by openstack | 22:02 |
| klindgren | so eitherway is still painfull - but falls in line with status quo with the rest of the company | 22:03 |
| klindgren | I am talking in generics here - because we have a pretty unique neutron setup with lots of custom patches to work with out network arch. | 22:03 |
| verdurin | In your current scheme then, if traffic from an instance has an internet destination, it will _just work_, owing to firewall rules | 22:03 |
| verdurin | without anything special at the OpenStack end? | 22:04 |
| klindgren | correct - the firewall device will use the configured hide nat pool for the subnets | 22:04 |
| klindgren | and will handle doing tht nat so that internet stuff will jsut work | 22:05 |
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| verdurin | That certainly sounds simpler. | 22:06 |
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| klindgren | I should state that our configuration we dont use any of the neutron L3/networkign stuff | 22:07 |
| klindgren | we are doing flat networks | 22:07 |
| verdurin | Ah. We're "stuck" with Neutron. | 22:07 |
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| klindgren | provider (shared) flat networks | 22:07 |
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| klindgren | we are using neutron as well - we just use "real networks" with "real" gateway's vs's having neutron createa router for everything | 22:08 |
| klindgren | and tunneling everything everywhere | 22:08 |
| verdurin | Ah, I see. | 22:08 |
| klindgren | btw - if you dont use neutron routers - floating ip's wont work without some changes | 22:10 |
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| verdurin | Yes. We are using routers at the moment, which works fine, without any external access. | 22:11 |
| verdurin | Basically, for political reasons, the provision of the external network to the system was handled separately to the main configuration. | 22:11 |
| klindgren | Ah - we did a cloud in the past using software routers. Spent to much time trying to figure out how to make the router scale to support the network. | 22:12 |
| verdurin | It's now plumbed into the appliances and we're pondering how best to make it available. | 22:12 |
| klindgren | so is that to say that an external team manages the external network - or that was the case and now you want to make the external network available to users who want it? | 22:14 |
| verdurin | Equipment was bought from a contractor and they've set it up, but we'll be managing it from now on. | 22:15 |
| verdurin | We've been given about 32 public IPs, with the ability to request more later. | 22:16 |
| verdurin | The contractor isn't very familiar with OpenStack. | 22:17 |
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| klindgren | how many routers do you have/plan to have? | 22:18 |
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| verdurin | There are 6 controller nodes, though I'm hoping to upgrade to Juno or Kilo and benefit from DVR. | 22:20 |
| verdurin | The concern is functionality at the moment. | 22:21 |
| klindgren | so the issue that you are prolly going to run into is the inefficient use of IP's | 22:21 |
| verdurin | Yes, that's been a concern. | 22:21 |
| verdurin | Am I right in thinking that the per-project quotas for floating IPs are global? | 22:22 |
| verdurin | In other words, they don't differentiate between floating IPs used for different purposes? | 22:23 |
| klindgren | quota's per project are not global - they come with defaults - but you should be able to change them | 22:24 |
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| clayton | klindgren: am now | 22:41 |
| klindgren | clayton, I have some venv questiosn for you if you dont mind | 22:41 |
| clayton | sure | 22:42 |
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| klindgren | sorry - finishing up another convo - so few questiosn - are you guys using giftwrap for your stuff - or are you building venv's by hand? | 22:49 |
| klindgren | mike was pointing out: https://github.com/twc-openstack/puppet-designate_ext/tree/master/files/config | 22:49 |
| klindgren | as my question was specific to with venv's how are you handling thefact that pip in a venv only installs python, but for msot services their are config filesthat are needed to make them actually usable | 22:50 |
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| klindgren | clayton, ^^ - when you get a chance | 22:57 |
| clayton | for designate it comes with example config files | 22:58 |
| clayton | so that puppet module copies them into place if they don't already exist, but won't replace them if they do | 22:58 |
| klindgren | kk - and do you use giftwrap? | 23:03 |
| clayton | no, I've looked at it and I like the approach. | 23:06 |
| clayton | I have a few PRs againt it accepted and a few still pending | 23:06 |
| clayton | but I think we're going to try to move to containers anyway | 23:06 |
| klindgren | kk | 23:07 |
| klindgren | thinking of moving to OSAD then? | 23:07 |
| clayton | no, my understanding is that it's LXC specific | 23:08 |
| clayton | well, and we need a migration path, so we'll probably do most of it ourself, with borrowing from OSAD and kolla | 23:08 |
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