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| mgagne | that thread about galera on openstack-dev: "well, that escalated quickly, really that got out of hand fast!" | 01:31 |
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| harlowja | lol | 01:32 |
| jlk | I missed that, I'm not on that list | 01:32 |
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| -sendak.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 01:33 | |
| harlowja | mgagne whats wrong with zookeeper, etcd being involved? ;) | 01:38 |
| * harlowja is curious | 01:39 | |
| mgagne | harlowja: it's a trap, isn't it? | 01:39 |
| harlowja | how so? | 01:39 |
| harlowja | lol | 01:39 |
| harlowja | anything could be a trap, never know | 01:39 |
| mgagne | guys, has anyone tackle the challenge of having multiple brands (or resellers) within the same OpenStack installation with all that comes with it? (public flavors, images, networks, etc.) | 01:43 |
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| jlk | multiple brands? | 01:57 |
| jlk | so multiple horizons? | 01:57 |
| jlk | not sure how reselling works, with multiple tenants | 01:57 |
| mgagne | jlk: horizon is trivial, it isn't the core of the problem. Mainly related to public resources such as flavor. | 02:04 |
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| mgagne | jlk: brand A sells foo.small and brand B sells bar.small. You don't want users/customers of brand A to see/spawn flavor bar.small and vise-versa. | 02:05 |
| jlk | can't flavors be tenant specific? | 02:05 |
| mgagne | jlk: and each brand wishes to have its own users/tenants, maybe segregated in domains | 02:05 |
| mgagne | jlk: you have to scale the idea to 10k tenants/users | 02:06 |
| jlk | that many resellers on a single cloud sounds like madness | 02:06 |
| mgagne | =) | 02:06 |
| jlk | so you have flavor-access-list at your disposal | 02:07 |
| mgagne | I often see topics at the summit about what could be this multi-brand support and it's never quite what I expect. | 02:07 |
| jlk | which should get you per-project (or sets of projects) flavor constraints | 02:07 |
| mgagne | jlk: and you have 10k ACL multiplied by your number of flavors to maintain =) | 02:08 |
| jlk | yes, madness | 02:08 |
| mgagne | I'm more or less wishing for a way to say: public BUT within the scope of a domain | 02:08 |
| mgagne | so each resellers could have their domains and do whatever they wish within it. | 02:08 |
| mgagne | creating tenants, users, flavors, public images, etc. | 02:09 |
| * mgagne dreams | 02:10 | |
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| jlk | you want sub-projects | 02:18 |
| jlk | actually | 02:18 |
| jlk | have you looked into federated keystone? | 02:18 |
| jlk | and breaking our cloud into federated parts? | 02:18 |
| mgagne | If I can federate clouds, in my specific use case, I would just create multiple openstack installations instead. | 02:19 |
| jlk | fair enough | 02:20 |
| mgagne | The idea is to reuse the same management infra to lower infra and operation costs | 02:20 |
| jlk | would you be somehow applying quotas at a reseller level? | 02:20 |
| mgagne | I would say yes | 02:20 |
| jlk | to prevent one resller from consuming all the resources out from under others? | 02:20 |
| jlk | yeah, you need a lot of inception level stuff | 02:21 |
| jlk | quotas to a project which gets divvied into quotas for sub-projects which get divvied into quotas for users | 02:21 |
| mgagne | quota aren't that much of a problem tbh | 02:21 |
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| mgagne | more the "public" resources around those brands | 02:21 |
| jlk | so, images, flavors, networks | 02:22 |
| mgagne | there is no scope, it's full public or it isn't | 02:22 |
| mgagne | yep | 02:22 |
| jlk | images there is scope, but it's just a difficult scope | 02:22 |
| mgagne | members, same as flavor access to me | 02:22 |
| jlk | er not images | 02:22 |
| jlk | flavors | 02:22 |
| klindgren | while not public - I think we have some similar uses cases | 02:23 |
| mgagne | I could invoke the power of wafflehaus and more metadata madness though | 02:23 |
| klindgren | we are hoping for hierarchical projects | 02:24 |
| klindgren | to try to solve some of this | 02:24 |
| mgagne | I think it can be part of the solution | 02:24 |
| jlk | cloud overlord -> top level tenants (resllers) -> customer tenants | 02:25 |
| mgagne | looks like we are running out of words to describe those new entities :D | 02:26 |
| jlk | overload controls truly fully public things, top level tenants creates things only their section can see, etc... | 02:26 |
| mgagne | jlk: yep | 02:26 |
| jlk | should only need a small amount of code.... :p | 02:26 |
| mgagne | jlk: and then you could isolate a reseller to a specific cell (or more) | 02:27 |
| mgagne | or aggregate | 02:27 |
| jlk | I seem to recall we did something like that already at Rackspace | 02:27 |
| mgagne | so the guy can buy whole dedicated compute nodes too | 02:27 |
| jlk | tenant isolation to cells | 02:27 |
| mgagne | jlk: super easy part tbh | 02:27 |
| jlk | yeah | 02:27 |
| mgagne | jlk: on a side note, I just don't understand people coding "isolation" filters to Nova. The filters often just do half of the job | 02:28 |
| mgagne | jlk: aggregate is dedicated for a tenant but it's blatantly false that the tenant is isolated, it can spawn everywhere else too /rant | 02:29 |
| jlk | tickles some part of cell capabilities in my brain | 02:30 |
| jlk | but that could be some of the non-upstream goo that RAX had | 02:30 |
| jlk | we had some way to keep a particular customer only spawning within a given cell | 02:30 |
| jlk | maybe it had to do with flavors though | 02:30 |
| klindgren | is cells v2 going to allow cells + az's? | 02:30 |
| mgagne | I wouldn't mind contributing what I have here but cells v1 are deprecated and no new feature are accepted :-/ | 02:31 |
| mgagne | jlk: I'm sure it has to do with flavors too | 02:31 |
| mgagne | jlk: compute1 flavor class -> those go in this cell | 02:31 |
| jlk | yeah, but then the hard part is keeping said tenant from seeing any other flavors | 02:32 |
| mgagne | jlk: oh, that's a whole different subject then | 02:32 |
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| jlk | Any of y'all familiar with supernova? | 18:07 |
| jlk | if you are, or aren't but have to deal with multiple openstacks with different auths, this may be useful to you: https://github.com/j2sol/superstack | 18:08 |
| mgagne | jlk: is only nova supported? | 18:09 |
| jlk | no, this uses the new python-openstackclient tool so it supports all the things | 18:09 |
| jlk | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/command-list.html and more | 18:09 |
| jlk | that list doesn't show ip and network and some others which are available. | 18:10 |
| mgagne | oh, haven't tried openstackclient yet =( | 18:10 |
| mgagne | jlk: I have a .openrc folder with ~100 openrc files :-/ | 18:10 |
| jlk | supernova was nova only, which was okay for Rackspace which only exposed nova. But superstack makes it better | 18:10 |
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| jlk | mgagne: yeah, now you could have them all in a single file and just select from them. | 18:16 |
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| Ctina_ | jlk: thanks for sharing! | 18:26 |
| dvorak | I'll be glad when the openstack client is a little further along, I think it's a great project | 18:29 |
| dvorak | I love that the output of basically any command can be made easily parsable | 18:29 |
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| jlk | I love that the arguments are unified | 18:31 |
| dvorak | yeah, it really should have happened a while ago | 18:32 |
| jlk | hated how nova client had network-list, neutron had net-list, nova had volume-list, cinder had list | 18:32 |
| jlk | now if we could just make all the <project>-manage CLIs unified I'd be even happier. | 18:32 |
| dvorak | yeah, and you have nova list --all-tenants vs glance image-list --all | 18:32 |
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| Ctina_ | jlk i'd settle for a consistent <project>-manage structure | 18:33 |
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| Ctina_ | sometimes it's db_sync vs db sync | 18:33 |
| dvorak | heh, and I noticed the other day if you do nova list --all, it complains that you specified an ambiguous argument, and you need to specify either --all-tenants or --all_tenants | 18:33 |
| jlk | Ctina_: yeah, we used to have a fun block of code to deal with all that | 18:33 |
| dvorak | Ctina_: well, and neutron is completely different | 18:33 |
| jlk | then we gave up and put the specific sync command into each project's ansible role | 18:33 |
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| dvorak | yeah, that's how the puppet modules do it also | 18:33 |
| Ctina_ | jlk do you deploy using ansible then? | 18:34 |
| jlk | yes | 18:34 |
| jlk | https://github.com/blueboxgroup/ursula | 18:34 |
| Ctina_ | we're currently using pupmods but we're going to move to packstack/ansible way of things | 18:34 |
| Ctina_ | jlk: thanks that looks handy! | 18:34 |
| Ctina_ | packstack or ansible* | 18:35 |
| Ctina_ | ah we're using centos not ubuntu | 18:38 |
| jlk | yeah it's pretty opinionated on Ubuntu right now :( | 18:38 |
| jlk | however, you could use it as a reference | 18:38 |
| Ctina_ | definitely | 18:38 |
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| mgagne | (fortunately?) I missed that discussion around clients consistency in OpenStack... | 20:57 |
| mgagne | I'm really losing sleep because of that | 20:58 |
| jlk | hah :( | 20:58 |
| mgagne | we need the CLI WG | 20:58 |
| jlk | going to be at the operators meetup? might be a good time to gather gripes about it then | 20:58 |
| mgagne | I'll be there for sure | 20:58 |
| jlk | sweet. | 20:59 |
| mgagne | mfisch greatly summarized the state of OpenStack as a product in this tweet: https://twitter.com/tadowguy/status/556137902829080576 | 21:00 |
| jlk | heh, yup | 21:02 |
| mgagne | until the inconsistency plague is contained and cured, I can't consider it a serious *product* | 21:02 |
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