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| openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Support auto-negotiated microversion https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/osc-placement/+/696028 | 01:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | likui proposed openstack/nova master: Replace getargspec with getfullargspec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790405 | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Support auto-negotiated microversion https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/osc-placement/+/696028 | 01:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osc-placement master: Support auto-negotiated microversion https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/osc-placement/+/696028 | 09:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osc-placement master: Switch default to use latest microversion https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/osc-placement/+/696040 | 09:03 |
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| gibi | \o/ that is a real usability improvement ^^ | 09:12 |
| kashyap | gibi: or anyone: Do you know if any other non-OpenStack project using 'reno' for release notes management? | 09:15 |
| stephenfin | I use it for my own stuff | 09:15 |
| gibi | kashyap: I'm not aware of any but I never searched for it | 09:15 |
| kashyap | Or is it closely tied to how OpenStack produces docs? | 09:15 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I see, good to know. It's not tied to OpenStack's docs tooling, right? | 09:15 |
| stephenfin | It's not closely tied to how we produce docs, but it is closely tied to our branching model | 09:16 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: The reason I ask is, QEMU upstream uses MediaWiki for changelog. E.g. https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/6.0 | 09:16 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I'm wondering if I can bring them to start using 'reno' | 09:16 |
| kashyap | Or any other generic Git-based rel note management. | 09:16 |
| stephenfin | For example, I tried to integrate it into Sphinx, but they have a merge-back model whereby you propose things to stable branches and then periodically merge those back into master. That breaks reno, which expects branches stable branches to diverge | 09:17 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: towncrier | 09:17 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Oh, I see. So, if a project has non-converging stable -> master approach, then 'reno' is good? | 09:18 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: it's not as clever, but that's possibly a good thing. No git parsing logic. You simply create news fragment files and then once, before a release, you run a manual step to combine those into once NEWS/CHANGELOG/<whatever> file | 09:18 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Didn't know of 'towncrier'; /me looks up. | 09:18 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: Yes, I think that's a fair summary | 09:19 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Okay; thanks for the suggestion. I'll check w/ the QEMU upstream folks to guage the appetite | 09:19 |
| kashyap | Since I got used to 'reno', I abhor MediaWiki :D | 09:19 |
| stephenfin | though you also occasionally need to go in and create a static summary changelog (or whatever you want to call them), whereby you instruct reno not to scan past commit N and simply generate a static listing | 09:20 |
| stephenfin | if you don't do this, the build time will continue to grow with your commit history | 09:20 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Ah, that's a very useful thing to know; thanks. | 09:21 |
| stephenfin | compare e.g. releasenotes/source/newton.rst with releasenotes/source/ocata.rst | 09:21 |
| stephenfin | the git log for the former should explain some of the rationale | 09:21 |
| * kashyap goes to compare | 09:21 | |
| stephenfin | I should probably get this written down in the reno docs... | 09:21 |
| stephenfin | hope that helps | 09:21 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Yes, very much. Please document the above useful bits you just said. It helps non-OpenStack projects to evaluate it clearly | 09:22 |
| kashyap | Especially the non-converging branches expectation is a good one | 09:23 |
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| kashyap | I worry about the "occasionally don't forget to generate static summary" from dead branches -- it's easy to forget. /me thinks if there's a way to automate it (even if it's just an email reminder) | 09:29 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Is Sphinx's merge-back model documented somewhere? | 09:33 |
| stephenfin | I don't think so | 09:33 |
| stephenfin | https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/internals/contributing.html#bug-reports-and-feature-requests | 09:34 |
| stephenfin | It's described in a round-about manner in the Getting started guide here | 09:35 |
| kashyap | Ah; thanks :) | 09:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Allow provider re-parenting in placement https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/788243 | 10:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | wait what | 10:06 |
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| sean-k-mooney | why makeing osc using max is a huge breaking change | 10:07 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: it is the CLI | 10:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | i hope that is going to be a major version bump | 10:07 |
| gibi | use by humand | 10:07 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: yes but it was intended to be stable for scripting | 10:07 |
| gibi | if somebody scripts against the CLI instead of against the SDK then I'm a sad panda | 10:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | it predatae the sdk and not eveytone used python so saying use the sdk is not valid either | 10:08 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: it was one of osc design goal to not do this | 10:08 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: i would be fine with osc defaulting to the miniums micorverion required for the parmateres you passed | 10:09 |
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| sean-k-mooney | since that is still stable but follow the project client and going to latest is a regression in my view | 10:09 |
| gibi | OK, I will push a revert of the last patch that switch the default behaviopr | 10:11 |
| gibi | stephenfin: ^^ | 10:11 |
| gibi | and we can discuss | 10:11 |
| gibi | in the review | 10:11 |
| gibi | as we might need tetsuro | 10:11 |
| gibi | I can imagine a solution where a flag or env variable can be used to enable auto negotiation instead | 10:13 |
| gibi | I presonally would like to use auto negotiation | 10:13 |
| gibi | as I always forget that openstack resource provider trait list needs 1.6 at least | 10:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: i would be fine with auto negociation but negociating the latest i think is not correct. also yes a flag for enabling it i think would be fine | 10:14 |
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| gibi | I understand your point | 10:14 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: osc is slowly switching to using the latest as part of the migration to sdk | 10:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we want to do it by default we coudl but that in my view would need a major version bump | 10:14 |
| gibi | I migth disagree that we need to support people scripting against the CLI | 10:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | it was one of the desigin reason why it had its current behavior | 10:15 |
| stephenfin | scripting users should use the sdk now. They can keep using older versions of osc also | 10:15 |
| * gibi wonders why the IRC log is not updated in the web :/ | 10:15 | |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: that assume they are using python | 10:15 |
| stephenfin | yes | 10:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: it lags there is a chorn script i think that runs evey few minutes | 10:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: that is not a valid assumtion | 10:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | osc was create to be a stabel cli that is scriptable | 10:16 |
| stephenfin | maybe not, but we've got limited maintainers and the ones that are there want auto-negotiation | 10:16 |
| stephenfin | osc was also created when we had many more maintainers | 10:16 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is why we can channge that if we want to but it need to be a major version bump to singnale we are breakign backward compatiabiltiy | 10:16 |
| stephenfin | yes, the last release was a major version bump iirc | 10:17 |
| sean-k-mooney | the release contiang the default change patch would have to be a major version bump | 10:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | having the ablity to auto negociate is not a breaking change turning it on by default is | 10:18 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: stephenfin if ye want to not revert and you make sure the next version of osc is a major version then i could proably live with that but i still think min required would be better that said i would like thinks like flavor validation to be on by default | 10:21 |
| stephenfin | this only affects osc-placement, not osc btw | 10:22 |
| * gibi lunches | 10:22 | |
| sean-k-mooney | oh it does? | 10:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | i tought it was all of osc | 10:22 |
| stephenfin | no. That's happening but separately. The change above was just for osc-placement | 10:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | i still woudl prefer auto negociating the min reqruied not latest but maybe i have to just live with it being unstable | 10:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | i rarely have need to script against osc so maybe it not worth avocating for those that do | 10:24 |
| stephenfin | tbf, those users could simply request an explicit base version manually | 10:24 |
| stephenfin | '--os-compute-api-version 2.1' or whatever | 10:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | i just dont want verizon complaining that they cant create flavor when the insitent on setting hw:numa_mem_policy that does not exist | 10:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: ya i know but many dont know what microverions are or care they just want the command they always used to work | 10:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: gibi if the desisin to move all of osc to latest has aleready been made then dont revert the placment patch | 10:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Enable 'vmcoreinfo' feature by default https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/752912 | 10:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Make vmcoreinfo dependent on feature flag https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/779342 | 10:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Remove 'create_fake_libvirt_mock' https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790945 | 10:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: libvirt: Make vmcoreinfo checks guest arch specific https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790946 | 10:29 |
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| gibi | sean-k-mooney: OK, then I won't revert. | 10:33 |
| gibi | I honestly don't know what will be the overall osc policy | 10:34 |
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| sean-k-mooney | gibi: right now i really dont like that its different per command | 10:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | as it make it much harder to use | 10:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | that said i know ironic broke the consitency years ago so its not a new thing | 10:36 |
| gibi | I think it is the same for each call . max(server,client) | 10:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | gibi: not i mean nova and cinder command wont auto negociate | 10:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | but ironic and plamcent will | 10:36 |
| gibi | I see | 10:36 |
| gibi | but if the overall osc change is coming the it will be in sync again | 10:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes if but there was never a cross project agreement to do that as far as i knew | 10:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | but if its happeing then i just hope it gets done this cycle | 10:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | draging it out over multiple cycle will not be a good ux | 10:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | which is why i was expecting this type of change to be a cross project goal | 10:38 |
| gibi | OK, then please propose a revert on the osc patch and lets bring it up on cross project levels | 10:38 |
| stephenfin | I don't think this is a serious issue | 10:39 |
| stephenfin | If people don't like it, then they'll let us know | 10:39 |
| gibi | It seems it is serious for sean-k-mooney | 10:39 |
| stephenfin | Otherwise 🤷 | 10:39 |
| jrosser | if i put debug=True in [DEFAULT] of nova.conf (for example) should that be sufficient to then be able to see https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo_messaging/_drivers/impl_rabbit.py#L608-L610 in the nova-conductor log file? | 10:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | i just dont want to have to explain in our downstream doc and to customer why openstack server create and openstack resource provider list work differently | 10:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | jrosser: am im not sure i thought that was only for the nova log level | 10:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | but maybe its everything | 10:42 |
| jrosser | sean-k-mooney: yeah, i'm not seeing those and am struggling to find how to enable oslo.messaging debug in the context of a nova service | 10:43 |
| gibi | jrosser: I think you need this config https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#DEFAULT.default_log_levels | 10:44 |
| gibi | there the oslo.messaging is set to INFO by default | 10:44 |
| gibi | so you have to change that | 10:44 |
| jrosser | ah! let me try that | 10:45 |
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| ignaziocassano1 | ralonsoh looking at this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1917675 seems redhat released patches only for rhel8 ....so Think for centos8 | 11:18 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1917675 in openstack-nova "Nova evacuate fails due to timeout waiting for a network-vif-plugged event for instance" [Urgent,On_qa] - Assigned to smooney | 11:18 |
| ignaziocassano1 | I am using centos7 | 11:19 |
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| sean-k-mooney | you are using packages from RDO not form Redhat | 11:20 |
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| sean-k-mooney | ignaziocassano1: and RDO support train on 7 and 8 | 11:20 |
| ignaziocassano1 | Yes, I wonder if they will be' released on rdo for centos 7 | 11:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | the RDO packages and the OSP packages are not the same | 11:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | ignaziocassano1: yes still have an automated build for train on centos7 so it should be eventually | 11:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | if we backport it upstream | 11:21 |
| ignaziocassano1 | Patching manually seems do not work | 11:22 |
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| ignaziocassano1 | Will you backport them on rdo centos 7? | 11:23 |
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| ignaziocassano1 | I would like to migrate on train on centos7 then try to upgrade to centos 8 | 11:24 |
| ignaziocassano1 | I think it is a solution for not reinstall all | 11:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not currently plannign to work on backporting it. i may in the future but i have some other things i need to work on | 11:26 |
| ignaziocassano1 | So, what can I do to solve it? Next year we 'll invest money for acquire red hat support, but now we cannot | 11:28 |
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| sean-k-mooney | one option is to try propose the backport yourself or see if rodolfo or others have time to backport it. i generally try to help people regardless of if they are a customer or not but this partical set of bugs has made me consider quiting opentack developemnt and doing something else with my life so not that its finally merged i dont really want to spend more time on it | 11:31 |
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| ignaziocassano1 | Yes, I understand your position | 11:34 |
| jrosser | gibi: thanks for the default_log_levels tip, it's working for me now | 11:35 |
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| gibi | jrosser: cool. happy to help | 11:36 |
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| kashyap | lyarwood: Can you double-confirm: I don't see any use of QEMU's internal snapshots in the code (`qemu-img snapshot ...`) | 12:56 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: The only known use was removed way back in 2013 in this commit: 8c985874c7885f31871204d3f83ce547fefc5fb6) | 12:56 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: you mean qcow2 snapshots right? | 12:56 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: I ask because ... a certain enterprise distro might deprecate internal snapshots (for good reasons) | 12:57 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: Yes, exactly. I recall we used to use it; and I don't see any trace of it (good thing) | 12:57 |
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| lyarwood | kashyap: yeah I can't think of any examples where we do | 13:01 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: Cool; I just checked the code, I don't see any other traces. That's great | 13:01 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: even the NFS based cinder backends that use qcow2 use backing files | 13:01 |
| kashyap | Sweet | 13:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Create 'nova.tests.fixtures' module https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790965 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Move ConfFixture https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790966 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Move remaining non-libvirt fixtures https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790967 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Split external service fixtures out https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790968 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Move libvirt-specific fixtures https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790969 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: tests: Add os-brick fixture https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790970 | 13:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Use jinja2 to generate fake libvirt data https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/790971 | 13:02 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: melwitt, dansmith: If you folks have time this week, could you queue up the first few patches in the remove-sqlalchemy-migrate series? They're all precusor patches that I'd like to get out of the way before we get into the nitty-gritty of alembic integration https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22bp%252Fremove-sqlalchemy-migrate%22+(status:open%20OR%20status:merged) | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | (I have patches locally but won't push them yet since they're not _quite_ ready) | 14:27 |
| gibi | stephenfin: ack. No promise for this week but I will try | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: you used to have a header you added to RST files to forward declare the header level symbols | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | i tought that was in one of the spec templates but i cant find it do you rememebr what it was | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | it was a comment you put at the top of the file then just a buch of header lines that would not render | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: precede the block with .. | 14:32 |
| stephenfin | that's a comment | 14:32 |
| stephenfin | I think the neutron docs use it for license headers | 14:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok we use it for the lisence yes | 14:32 |
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| melwitt | stephenfin: ack, will put them on my list | 15:27 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Any builds with POST_FAILURE result and no available logs between 11:41 and 14:41 UTC today were related to an authentication endpoint problem in one of our providers and can be safely rechecked now | 15:32 | |
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| stephenfin | thanks | 15:40 |
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| NobodyCam | Good morning Nova folks, anyone have a pointer as to why the nova-python-client would not honor timeout values when the network drops? | 16:06 |
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| sean-k-mooney | maybe the socket hangs at the kernel level or soemthign like that but no i dont know why that would happen | 16:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | NobodyCam: i assume the behavior is if the network drops the nova client just sits there waiting for a respocne that wont come | 16:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | or are you seeign a different behavior | 16:14 |
| NobodyCam | nope that's what I'm seeing | 16:14 |
| NobodyCam | and Good Morning sean-k-mooney | 16:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | NobodyCam: so ya my only guess is the socket is staling on the kernel side. i would have expected any timeout you set to be passed to the request libary and for it to be handeled there | 16:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | we dont start any timers ectra in the nova client to interupt the request ourselves | 16:19 |
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| NobodyCam | ++ makes sense to me | 16:19 |
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| sean-k-mooney | melwitt: you know the nova client better then i do you have any other ideas why NobodyCam issue would happen? | 16:24 |
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| melwitt | sean-k-mooney: if I understand the question correctly, my answer would be the same as what you said earlier. is it that the "timeout" kwarg is being passed to the novaclient bindings and it's not waiting as long as the specified timeout when there's no response? | 16:27 |
| melwitt | my experience with the requests library is that in the case of a non-response, it will stop waiting after about 30 seconds, even if you've no timeout (None) or a longer timeout | 16:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | right so we pass the timeout to keystone auth here https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/d4399d3d36c456c1001b96178ce9b3e7ec082460/novaclient/client.py#L137-L141 which form its docstring it passes to requests https://github.com/openstack/keystoneauth/blob/master/keystoneauth1/session.py#L292-L295 | 16:29 |
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| melwitt | yeah. I think if you tried a bare requests call for the same thing, you'd see the same behavior with the timeout | 16:30 |
| sean-k-mooney | thanks i have skimmed the nova clint code in the past but never really dug into it so just wanted to ensure im not missing anything obvious | 16:34 |
| melwitt | no, I don't think you're missing anything | 16:36 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you both! | 16:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: [WIP] pci device tracking in placment https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/791047 | 19:34 |
| sean-k-mooney | that still pretty incomplete but im finsihing up for the day so said i woudl push what i had | 19:35 |
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| andrewbogott | Hello all! I have a question about address records. I'm looking at a unit test in trove which mocks an instance address record like this: | 21:04 |
| andrewbogott | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gWoqmguo/ | 21:04 |
| andrewbogott | My actual running cloud shows things that look more like this: | 21:04 |
| andrewbogott | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mqZwz6TN/ | 21:04 |
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| andrewbogott | My question is: did the record ever look like the former, and changed? Or is it possible for it to look either way depending on neutron setup? | 21:05 |
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