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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova master: add hw:mlock extra spec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778347 | 00:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova master: add vdpa vnic to pci request mapping and filtering. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778350 | 02:24 |
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| songwenping__ | melwitt: hi, your process is right, the guest xml is live update but it doesnot work unless we reboot the guest. this is really a problem. | 07:06 |
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| brinzhang | gibi, bauzas: replied in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/761452/9/nova/compute/manager.py#2101 | 08:08 |
| brinzhang | gibi, bauzas: do I need to register a bug, then submit the fix? | 08:09 |
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| bauzas | brinzhang: good afternoon for you | 08:26 |
| brinzhang | bauzas: good morning^ | 08:27 |
| bauzas | brinzhang: yes, please file a bug and work on a patch if you want to fix it | 08:27 |
| brinzhang | bauzas: ack, I will file a bug, then fix it with a seperate patch | 08:28 |
| bauzas | thanks | 08:28 |
| bauzas | brinzhang: then, ping me | 08:28 |
| brinzhang | bp, thanks point this bug, this is my ignore | 08:28 |
| bauzas | and I'll see whether I can rebase my RPC API change above your change | 08:29 |
| brinzhang | bauzas: ack, cool | 08:29 |
| bauzas | because if not, you couldn't backport it to stable | 08:29 |
| brinzhang | yeah | 08:29 |
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| gokhani | Hi folks, ı have a development environment which is installed by OSA Ussuri. ı have problems on nova-api side. I can observe rabbitmq timeout errors > http://paste.openstack.org/show/803175/ and rarely I am getting connection failed errors to rabbitmq on api side > http://paste.openstack.org/show/803176/. And ıt is strange behaviour now we don't | 08:43 |
| gokhani | have any uwsgi processes on nova api side. I doubt about uwsgi + nova. this is expected behaviour or there is a problem on nova, I am not sure. do you have any ideas about this ? nova = 21.1.1 and oslo.messaging version is 12.1.4 | 08:43 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: gibi: Morning; I was away earlier yesterday. Reading the scroll; I see your question is answered on the +/- thing | 08:57 |
| kashyap | gibi: Indeed; thanks for the ACK; the separate options would've made sense if we were doing it from scratch. | 08:58 |
| kashyap | Thanks for bearing with me. | 08:59 |
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| songwenping__ | stephenfin: morning; there are two problems for the noVNC patch. 1. the password works after you reboot the guest 2. if you donnot pass the password when get-vnc-console, you need config `[vnc]auth_schemes = none, vnc` in /etc/nova/nova-cell1.conf for noVNC guest. | 09:35 |
| songwenping__ | for the first issue, we can clarify in the docs that user need to reboot the server if set/reset password for vnc console. we can improve if the libvirt/qemu support live set/reset password. | 09:38 |
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| stephenfin | songwenping__: to be honest, it sounds like we shouldn't allow users to change the password if that's not supported so | 09:41 |
| stephenfin | I don't think asking users to restart their instance is a reasonable request | 09:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/nova master: [OVN] Explicitly set nova-next job to ML2/OVS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/776944 | 09:44 |
| songwenping__ | for the second issue, we plan to update the release note and the description of nova/conf/vnc.py for `auth_schemes`. | 09:44 |
| songwenping__ | stephenfin: the libvirt docs[1] said it already support live update password, but i donnot know why it failed in my local ven. [1] https://libvirt.org/html/libvirt-libvirt-domain.html#virDomainUpdateDeviceFlags | 09:46 |
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| brinzhang | stephenfin, songwenping__:IMHO, support reset VNC password is good for the user, it can be protected thire instance opening by unknown user, if it must be reboot to take effect, can we do the first mode to support [vnc]auth_schemes=vnc? | 09:55 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin / gibi ; https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778177 should be good now btw, I missed that the requirements job actually forces you to sync the in-direct LC deps to requirements that bloats the change a little | 09:59 |
| stephenfin | brinzhang: The issue is that _set_ VNC password also requires a reboot | 09:59 |
| lyarwood | as discussed with sean-k-mooney yesterday I've added a note to the PTG to discuss this mess | 09:59 |
| stephenfin | Basically to touch anything to do with VNC passwords, the instance must be restarted | 09:59 |
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| brinzhang | stephenfin: can you check this libvirt docs? https://libvirt.org/html/libvirt-libvirt-domain.html#virDomainUpdateDeviceFlags does it means it cannot be reset password if flags=LIVE(1)? | 10:05 |
| brinzhang | *E.g. the hypervisor driver will return failure if LIVE is specified but it only supports modifying the persisted device allocation.*, so the VNC password isnot blongs to the *persisted device*? | 10:06 |
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| songwenping__ | stephenfin: we just need reboot first time to set password, if we reset the password again, we donnot need reboot the server any more. | 10:09 |
| gibi | brinzhang: I agree to have a bug reported and fixing it in a separate patch | 10:10 |
| songwenping__ | from none -> vnc need to reboot, from vnc -> vnc donnot need to reboot | 10:10 |
| brinzhang | gibi: I have filed the bug, and will be submited the fix later ^, pls see bug 1917592 | 10:11 |
| openstack | bug 1917592 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Missed 'accel_uuids' when we the 'shelved_offload_time' time out in shelving instance periodic task" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1917592 - Assigned to Brin Zhang (zhangbailin) | 10:11 |
| gibi | brinzhang: thanks | 10:11 |
| brinzhang | gibi: np, thanks for your mind too | 10:11 |
| gibi | lyarwood: thanks I] | 10:13 |
| gibi | lyarwood: thanks I'm +2 | 10:13 |
| lyarwood | cheers | 10:19 |
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| lyarwood | random question, does anyone know why we don't use the instance UUID as the domain name within libvirt? | 10:22 |
| lyarwood | trying to debug a live migration failure on stable/ussuri and hate having to lookup the domain name in the logs | 10:22 |
| gibi | lyarwood: good question, we probably need a historian to answer itr | 10:26 |
| kashyap | Yeah, I don't remember that answer either; and wondered the same in the past | 10:28 |
| kashyap | But the guest XML records both instance-YYYYYYY and the UUID | 10:28 |
| stephenfin | brinzhang: Yeah, looking now | 10:28 |
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| stephenfin | brinzhang: songwenping__: IMO we need to fix this and figure out how to get VNC password working with TLS. At the moment, enabling this means (a) no TLS, (b) you have to restart the instance to use the feature, and (c) you have to do some funky nova.conf changes for things to work | 10:30 |
| stephenfin | Also (d) you're stuck with 8 characters (not our fault, but unfortunate all the same) | 10:30 |
| stephenfin | Not a good UX /o\ | 10:30 |
| stephenfin | brinzhang: I know it's a lot of work that you said you don't want to do it, but I would still seriously suggest switching the order of the VNC password and tenant_id -> project_id series | 10:31 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: yeah thats fine in live envs, just a PITA when you only have logs to debug things | 10:32 |
| lyarwood | kashyap: I think it might be that libvirt couldn't fit the entire UUID in the name or something? | 10:32 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: Yeah, no denying; I just let the steam out by cussing | 10:32 |
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| kashyap | lyarwood: Hmm, that I don't remember. But lemme quickly test by creating a domain name with the UUID :) | 10:32 |
| stephenfin | The VNC series is at huge risk due to all those concerns. I can't in good faith merge what I consider to be a broken feature :-( Hopefully we can address them before feature freeze but it will prevent the other series landing until we do | 10:33 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: Ah, so: libvirt seems to be smart here: | 10:34 |
| lyarwood | aaaaaaaaaah it's instance.name | 10:34 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: When I tried to live-modify a guest's name from s/cvm1/64ba587c-57a7-44c0-94ec-5444e5268c4e/ --> libvirt tells me: "well, the guest already has a UUID" | 10:35 |
| kashyap | I tried removing dashes and plug the dash-less UUID into <name/>, it still detects. | 10:35 |
| lyarwood | okay, we can't really change this anyway, it's just annoying | 10:36 |
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| kashyap | Yeah, libvirt explicitly rejects a UUID for a domain "name" | 10:37 |
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| kashyap | s/Yeah,/Yeah, and/ | 10:37 |
| * lyarwood wonders if it would be worth adding some log collection that lists instance uuids and instance names somewhere | 10:38 | |
| lyarwood | not sure how we'd do that after the test run | 10:38 |
| kashyap | lyarwood: You mean, you want a file logged a mapping of UUIDs with instance names? | 10:38 |
| lyarwood | yeah but I don't think that's going to be possible *after* tempest has already deleted everything | 10:40 |
| kashyap | Hmm, true | 10:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: console: Improve logging https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778407 | 10:43 |
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| lyarwood | gibi: https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:spec/libvirt-default-machine-type+status:open should be ready for review this week btw, not sure if you want to move it into a runway slot or not. | 10:55 |
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| gibi | lyarwood: I added to my queue, I see stephenfin is already +2 so I prioritize this | 11:06 |
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| lyarwood | gibi: yup thanks, I'm around all day for respins etc so let me know if you have any questions | 11:07 |
| gibi | OK | 11:07 |
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| slaweq | hi nova team :) | 11:23 |
| gibi | slaweq: hi! | 11:23 |
| slaweq | I need Your help with some ci issue | 11:23 |
| slaweq | we saw, mostly in stable/train errors like in https://a574f9c0fd4ca92b7603-2045be852d43868eb95da6cc3429b40d.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/777334/2/check/neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full/44d0207/testr_results.html recently | 11:23 |
| slaweq | do You have any idea why there is no host for cold-migration or resize in that job? | 11:23 |
| slaweq | hi gibi :) | 11:25 |
| * gibi clicks | 11:25 | |
| bauzas | stephenfin: saw my weak -1 on your apidb change for Ocata ? https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759402/4 | 11:25 |
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| bauzas | I don't really to vote -1 on a commit msg miss, but I feel this is important to comment the fact that we don't care about a specific DB migration | 11:25 |
| bauzas | really like* | 11:26 |
| bauzas | and a commit msg can't be patched by a FUP... | 11:26 |
| gibi | slaweq: is it happens all the time or just sometimes? | 11:28 |
| slaweq | gibi: on train I think that all the time | 11:29 |
| slaweq | or at least very often | 11:29 |
| slaweq | gibi: in scheduler log I see something like: | 11:30 |
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| slaweq | Mar 03 10:32:31.142569 ubuntu-bionic-rax-ord-0023272867 nova-scheduler[24545]: INFO nova.scheduler.host_manager [None req-657ecf60-4fba-4168-9613-3c57d01bdcb7 tempest-MinBwAllocationPlacementTest-1587030703 tempest-MinBwAllocationPlacementTest-1587030703-project-admin] Host filter ignoring hosts: ubuntu-bionic-rax-ord-0023272867 | 11:30 |
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| gibi | slaweq: ack, give me some time to dive into the logs | 11:30 |
| slaweq | and then next message that " There are 0 hosts available but 1 instances requested to build." | 11:30 |
| slaweq | gibi: sure, I will open LP for that to track it | 11:30 |
| slaweq | thx for help | 11:30 |
| gibi | slaweq: thanks for reporting it | 11:31 |
| slaweq | it's not very urgent for us as this is non-voting job :) | 11:31 |
| slaweq | so take Your time | 11:31 |
| brinzhang | stephenfin: *(songwenping_)from none -> vnc need to reboot, from vnc -> vnc donnot need to reboot* I still think from docs or a bug trace this is a good choice | 11:31 |
| slaweq | gibi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1917610 | 11:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1917610 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Migration and resize tests from tempest.scenario.test_minbw_allocation_placement.MinBwAllocationPlacementTest failing in neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full" [Undecided,New] | 11:40 |
| slaweq | reported | 11:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brin Zhang proposed openstack/nova master: Add missed accel_uuids for _poll_shelved_instances https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778440 | 11:54 |
| stephenfin | brinzhang: I don't :( | 11:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Ocata database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759402 | 11:57 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: Is that okay? ^ | 11:58 |
| stephenfin | I'll rebase the rest of the series on top if so | 11:58 |
| brinzhang | bauzas: fixed that bug, pls see https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778440 | 11:58 |
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| brinzhang | stephenfin: we will re-search, and make sure whether can reset passwrod and without restart the server | 12:22 |
| brinzhang | s/and// | 12:22 |
| gibi | slaweq: responded in https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1917610 with alternatives to either fix the job definition in neutron or fix the test precoditions in tempest | 12:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1917610 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Migration and resize tests from tempest.scenario.test_minbw_allocation_placement.MinBwAllocationPlacementTest failing in neutron-tempest-dvr-ha-multinode-full" [Undecided,New] | 12:28 |
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| slaweq | gibi: thx | 12:37 |
| slaweq | gibi: proposed fix https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/tempest/+/778451 and dnm test patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/neutron/+/778452 | 12:37 |
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| slaweq | let's check if that will help | 12:37 |
| gibi | tht was fast :) | 12:38 |
| gibi | wondering why this is only hit on stable/train. It should fail on any newer than train too | 12:38 |
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| gibi | lyarwood: I see an issue in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/769548/12/nova/cmd/manage.py#2631 | 12:47 |
| lyarwood | ah sorry, I thought I had sorted that out | 12:53 |
| gibi | the update command looks good, you only missed the get | 12:54 |
| lyarwood | yeah my bad | 12:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Fix ImageBackendFixture not to support direct_snapshot https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778462 | 13:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Simplify device_path check in _detach_encryptor https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778463 | 13:49 |
| gibi | lyarwood: also could you check my question in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/774898/7/nova/tests/functional/libvirt/test_machine_type.py#388 and the follow up I pushed? | 13:49 |
| lyarwood | gibi: I was about to ask if that was related | 13:50 |
| lyarwood | looking now | 13:50 |
| lyarwood | just had to push the above fix before switching back to this | 13:50 |
| gibi | yepp it is a fixture fix | 13:51 |
| gibi | to enable the unshelve test | 13:51 |
| lyarwood | wonderful | 13:53 |
| lyarwood | gibi: would you mind if I just pulled in that fix ahead of the new func test | 13:54 |
| gibi | lyarwood: sure | 13:54 |
| lyarwood | thanks | 13:54 |
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| gibi | lyarwood: overall I'm +2 on the machine type series I will quickly re-review it once you respin it | 13:59 |
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| lyarwood | gibi: thanks, just waiting on a local func run now and I'll push | 14:00 |
| gibi | ack | 14:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: nova-manage: Add libvirt get_machine_type command https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/769548 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: nova-manage: Add libvirt update_machine_type command https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/774896 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: nova-manage: Add libvirt list_unset_machine_type command https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/774897 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: nova-status: Add hw_machine_type check for libvirt instances https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/770643 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: Fix ImageBackendFixture not to support direct_snapshot https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778462 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Add a config update workflow test for [libvirt]hw_machine_type https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/774898 | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Add admin docs for configuring and updating machine types https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/774899 | 14:04 |
| gibi | on it ^^ | 14:05 |
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| gibi | stephenfin: you blessing is needed on some of the patches in the machine_type series as lyarwood respined it | 14:13 |
| stephenfin | ack, will take a look shortly | 14:13 |
| stephenfin | (in a meeting atm :() | 14:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: Simplify device_path check in _detach_encryptor https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778463 | 14:16 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: Need your +2 again on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759402/ too. I just changed the commit message per bauzas' request | 14:20 |
| stephenfin | Please and thanks :) | 14:20 |
| gibi | on it | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | gibi: stephenfin: fast approved as this is only a commit msg update | 14:20 |
| stephenfin | sweet | 14:20 |
| stephenfin | I'll rebase the rest of that series on top of that shortly so | 14:21 |
| gibi | stading down... | 14:21 |
| gibi | anyhow it failed in zuul with a valid reason. unused import /o\ | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | oh, weird | 14:27 |
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| stephenfin | I think I broke Gerrit | 14:30 |
| stephenfin | Stuck on publishing edit for at least 2 minutes /o\ | 14:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Ocata database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759402 | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | phew | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | gibi: bauzas: Removed that import. Conflict was due to I532c7918a8e2c887f29d2f0e1e33b80f2b3a7507 | 14:31 |
| bauzas | +Wd | 14:32 |
| gibi | yepp | 14:33 |
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| gibi | stephenfin: this needs a +A (there is 2 +2) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757615/8 | 14:35 |
| gibi | also if somebody could +2 the https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778177/2 that would be nice to unblock the hyperv rbd series | 14:39 |
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| gmann | gibi: done on 778177 | 14:42 |
| gibi | thanks! | 14:42 |
| gmann | removing indirect deps will help in these kind of constraints issue | 14:42 |
| gibi | gmann: we have a PTG topic around that https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-xena-ptg L39 | 14:44 |
| gmann | gibi: +1 and I think by this or next week I will be able to get consensus in TC also and have some reference document too. | 14:45 |
| gibi | cool | 14:45 |
| gmann | stephenfin: do you need help on this? you might have forget this policy change - https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/765798 | 14:46 |
| gmann | last one for that BP as client one is also +A now | 14:46 |
| stephenfin | gmann: Yes, please. I've gotten dragged into UEFI secure boot reviews and haven't been able to round back on that | 14:46 |
| gmann | stephenfin: sure. | 14:47 |
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| stephenfin | gibi: +W on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757615/ In general I have no issues with you +W your own patches after a rebase and I do it myself all the time. I doubt anyone would disagree :) | 14:57 |
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| gibi | ack, thanks | 14:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Pike database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759403 | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | hi stephenfin, I have one quick question. When you migrated to privsep, did you have any long lived process to be executed as root? | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | in other words, do you spawn any daemon/server/etc that requires root permissions? | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Queens database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759404 | 15:17 |
| stephenfin | ralonsoh: I don't think so. We just escalate when we need to | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | stephenfin, without rootwrap, of course | 15:18 |
| stephenfin | iirc privsep is run under a rootwrap daemon | 15:18 |
| stephenfin | so rootwrap is still there | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | yes, but only privsep | 15:19 |
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| ralonsoh | I mean, the privsep daemon. In anycase, you still use rootwrap | 15:19 |
| stephenfin | Mostly. I recall there being some rootwrap filters left for some os-brick stuff | 15:20 |
| atmark | hello, is there to another option in the config to move the cold migration target to different interface? I know for live you can set live_migration_inbound_addr but how about for cold migration? | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | stephenfin, thanks!! | 15:21 |
| stephenfin | atmark: I'm not aware of such a mechanism, no | 15:21 |
| atmark | The cold migration still uses the management interface even if I have live_migration_inbound_addr | 15:23 |
| atmark | in a different interface | 15:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | atmark: yes it will | 15:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | live_migration_inbound_addr is only for live migration | 15:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | you can adres this via kernel routes | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Rocky database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759405 | 16:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Stein database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/759406 | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: apidb: Compact Train database migrations https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/771420 | 16:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova master: Bump the Compute RPC API to version 6.0 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/761452 | 16:18 |
| bauzas | dansmith: gibi: stephenfin: artom: updated based on your feedbacks ^ | 16:19 |
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| gibi | bauzas: looking | 16:19 |
| bauzas | tl;dr: removed the unused args from the RPC methods stephenfin told + changed the numa tests to pin to 5.max instead | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-novaclient master: Add support for microversion v2.88 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-novaclient/+/770573 | 16:23 |
| belmoreira | recently found this behaviour in Nova: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1917645 and I'm not sleeping well since :) not sure if this should be Nova or Oslo. I would appreciate some guidance. | 16:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1917645 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova can't create instances if RabbitMQ notification cluster is down" [Undecided,New] | 16:25 |
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| bauzas | belmoreira: if the rabbit is down, how the conductor and scheduler could help the nova-api service to tell which host ? | 16:29 |
| bauzas | that actually reminds me preemptible instances | 16:29 |
| belmoreira | we have an independent rabbit for everything | 16:29 |
| bauzas | some kind of instance that would be pre-created | 16:29 |
| belmoreira | bauzas each cell has it's own rabbit, including one for the support conductor/scheduler. Then we have a rabbit for the notifications | 16:30 |
| belmoreira | support/super | 16:31 |
| bauzas | oh sorry, I missed the fact you were mentioning the notifications rabbit | 16:31 |
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| bauzas | and not the API MQ or the cell MQs | 16:31 |
| bauzas | I guess we hold on emitting notifications | 16:32 |
| belmoreira | I was expecting that behaviour (maybe with an error msg), but in reality instances can't be created | 16:33 |
| belmoreira | was looking into the config options that I think this is not handled at all | 16:33 |
| gibi | belmoreira: I think we need to warp the notification sending with some exception handler and log a WARNING if the notification sending failed but not block the actual work | 16:33 |
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| belmoreira | gibi +1 | 16:35 |
| gibi | belmoreira: I think we simply did not have those error handled properly in the current code | 16:35 |
| gibi | one can argue that not delivering a notification could mean some external system become desynced | 16:36 |
| belmoreira | gibi I agree, but in that case should be configurable | 16:36 |
| gibi | belmoreira: hm, that could work. Something like notification_failure_is_fatal config option | 16:37 |
| gibi | so if somebody use the notification interface for charging customers based on usage then that deployer would likely make this config True | 16:38 |
| belmoreira | makes sense to me | 16:38 |
| gibi | me to | 16:41 |
| gibi | o | 16:41 |
| belmoreira | I'm not familiar with the notifications code. Is this something that someone can have a look? | 16:44 |
| gibi | I can take a look but my backlog is pretty long so it will take time to reach that bug | 16:44 |
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| belmoreira | thanks gibi, meanwhile I can have a look but definitely I will need some guidance | 16:46 |
| gibi | belmoreira: sure, let me know if you have questions | 16:47 |
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| belmoreira | thanks a lot | 16:48 |
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| bauzas | gibi: belmoreira: sorry wrapped into a meeting, but the approach looks good to me | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Remove non-libguestfs file injection for libvirt https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/324720 | 16:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Remove VFSLocalFS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778506 | 16:58 |
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| kashyap | gibi: Interesting that you revived it (I agree). Anything in particular that made you revive? | 16:59 |
| gibi | kashyap: the security bug behind it become public a week ago | 17:00 |
| gibi | kashyap: and also we removed Xen support so one less complication | 17:00 |
| kashyap | Argh, rotting security bugs :-( | 17:00 |
| gibi | yepp | 17:00 |
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| kashyap | gibi: Right; fair enough. That problem is real ... | 17:01 |
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| bauzas | gibi: urgent review needs on them, I guess ? | 17:03 |
| gibi | bauzas: no, it is a really old security bug | 17:04 |
| gibi | so no need to rush | 17:04 |
| gibi | it just become stuck in private state until the secu team did a spring cleaning recently | 17:04 |
| bauzas | gibi: okay, focusing on blueprints reviews, but I can take a look at them later | 17:04 |
| gibi | and made the bug public | 17:04 |
| gibi | bauzas: sure, thanks | 17:05 |
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| sean-k-mooney | thats the one we talked about 2 weeks ago in teh meeting right | 17:10 |
| sean-k-mooney | i assume you revied the old patches | 17:10 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: yes, I revived, rebased, and realized the we deleted Xen since so I put a cleanup top of it | 17:11 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: but the basic idea is the same | 17:11 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: fail to boot if file injection is requested but libguestfs is not available on the compute | 17:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | cool ill try and review this this week | 17:11 |
| gibi | sean-k-mooney: thanks | 17:11 |
| sean-k-mooney | by the way i saw your question on the port numa patches. ill hopefully get time to rebase that tomorrow to address it i just need to fix that env i was using it for something else but ill do that in the morning | 17:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | thanks for taking a look | 17:12 |
| gibi | ack | 17:13 |
| bauzas | sean-k-mooney: just a quick q, why do we need to pass the list of ARQs when shelving an instance ? I guess this is for the cyborg-agent to free up the resources ? | 17:19 |
| bauzas | context : https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778440/1/nova/compute/manager.py | 17:19 |
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| sean-k-mooney | bauzas: we need to free them yes | 17:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | so its for unbinding them | 17:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | technially its only needed for the shelve_offload part | 17:25 |
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| bauzas | yup, that's what I guessed | 17:26 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i commented in line but i dont think this is a ddos vector really | 17:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | the new api query only happens if the instance has cyborg resoucs. and it will happen only once per shleved instance | 17:36 |
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| sean-k-mooney | bauzas: we also prefilter the list by the timeout and only do this for instance that have exceed the time out so we wont check this on every iteration of the perodic | 17:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | pulling the client out of the loop is not a bad idea | 17:39 |
| bauzas | sure, but I wonder whether some malicious user could create 10000 small instances by one and wait for 3600secs | 17:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | i mean they would hit there instance quota right | 17:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | shelved instances still count to that | 17:40 |
| bauzas | the problem is that we call N times the cyborg api | 17:40 |
| bauzas | at the same time | 17:40 |
| bauzas | and you multiply by the periodic value | 17:40 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya but you cant avoid that wihout caching the info in nova which we do not do intentionally | 17:41 |
| bauzas | maybe not an attack vector but some performance impact for sure | 17:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | i dont think it will be | 17:41 |
| bauzas | on a large cloud with 10000 instances being shelved at the same time from the same tenant, cyborg will face 10000 times a connection roundtrip | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | if the nova api is beefy enought to handel the 10000 shleve api calls then the cyborg one should be able to handel 10000 arq lookups | 17:42 |
| bauzas | from different tenants* | 17:42 |
| bauzas | that's a periodic | 17:42 |
| bauzas | not an API straight call | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure i know | 17:42 |
| bauzas | during those 3600 secs, you can create and shelve as much instances as you want | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | right but we defualt to 0 | 17:43 |
| bauzas | but once the periodic runs, it will pick all the shelved instances during this window | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. offloading without a delay | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | so for it to be an issue the operator has to opt in to offloading after a period of time and increase it enouch for the shelved instance to build up enough to ddos the cyborg api | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | pragmatically i dont think we will enough user of cyborg+shelve +that non default config for this to realisticlly happen | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | it could but the instance.save() before this would propably ddos the db before the cyborg issue was hit | 17:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | im not saying it not a valid concern i just dont think it makes it substantailly worse then it would be already | 17:46 |
| bauzas | sean-k-mooney: I'm just saying "doc it" | 17:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | well we should doc the instance.save then too right | 17:46 |
| bauzas | because shelving has a very specific implication now if you use cyborg | 17:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | well shelve offload already calls out to cinder | 17:47 |
| bauzas | well, I'm pretty sure ops size the DB write performance on the nova database | 17:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | to remove the volumn attaments right? | 17:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | and it should be calling neutron to unbind the neutron ports | 17:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | so im wonderign wny cyborg is special in this case | 17:48 |
| bauzas | actually, you're making a point | 17:48 |
| bauzas | but that doesn't infirm my theory | 17:48 |
| bauzas | which is that this periodic task can harm our dependent projects | 17:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | well im not disagreeing that it could cause issue if you misconfigred things | 17:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 17:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think we just have differnet levels of concners as to the effect | 17:49 |
| bauzas | anyway, I don't wanna hold this | 17:50 |
| bauzas | but I was just taking my operator hat, being afraid of my internal APIs | 17:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | moving the client out of the loop will at least stop the load on keystone | 17:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | so that proably shoudl be done in anycase | 17:50 |
| bauzas | and while I trust cinder and neutron in terms of sizing, I'd certainly take much attention to cyborg API if I know this | 17:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya there is less op experince with cyborg for sure | 17:51 |
| bauzas | anyway, this is nearly 7pm for me and I really worked late yesterday night, so I'll bail out | 17:51 |
| sean-k-mooney | that said at least with osp donwstream we tend to use one db server for all the dbs | 17:52 |
| sean-k-mooney | enjoy your evnening o/ | 17:52 |
| * bauzas remembers when he was designing different DBs for different read/write needs :) | 17:52 | |
| bauzas | like, hello keystone | 17:52 |
| bauzas | bear with me | 17:53 |
| bauzas | and give me a token that you'll store for a long period of time | 17:53 |
| bauzas | glance ? be quiet and just give me the images | 17:53 |
| bauzas | but meh, I'm diverging | 17:54 |
| bauzas | \o | 17:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | im sure cern use different dbs and rabbitmq instance for different services but many smaller clouds wont | 17:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: requirements.txt: Bump os-brick to 4.2.0 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/778177 | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Remove unused Instance method https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/757615 | 21:01 |
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