| gmann | melwitt: dansmith can any of you approve the policy reno backport (is passing now) - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/725146/ | 00:27 |
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| melwitt | gmann: yeah I'll get | 00:34 |
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| gmann | melwitt: thanks | 00:34 |
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| melwitt | done | 00:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/ussuri: use more distinct link references in release notes https://review.opendev.org/725301 | 02:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/ussuri: Add nova-status upgrade check and reno for policy new defaults https://review.opendev.org/725146 | 03:35 |
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| ygk_12345 | hi all | 06:02 |
| ygk_12345 | I have OSA rocky 18.1.2 setup and I raised a bug regarding the placement https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1876772 | 06:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1876772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failed to create resource provider" [Undecided,New] | 06:03 |
| ygk_12345 | how do I install osc-placement utility in OSA now ? | 06:03 |
| ygk_12345 | cn someone help me ? | 06:03 |
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| gibi | bauzas: hi! do we want to include this into RC2 as well? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723884/ | 08:10 |
| gibi | ygk_12345: replied in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1876772 | 08:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1876772 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failed to create resource provider" [Undecided,New] | 08:23 |
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| bauzas | gibi: sorry was on 'teacher' mode for my daughters | 08:27 |
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| gibi | bauzas: no problemo :) | 08:48 |
| bauzas | gibi: well, it could be nice to have it | 08:48 |
| bauzas | gibi: also I found why you can't +2 on stable/ussuri | 08:48 |
| bauzas | not because you aren't nova-stable-corte | 08:48 |
| bauzas | core* | 08:48 |
| bauzas | but rather b/c the release mgmt team stopped changing ACLs | 08:49 |
| bauzas | eg. https://github.com/openstack/project-config/commit/72b4071c8206586afa6a1ec2ec40f63a104c1550 | 08:49 |
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| gibi | I see. I did not know we had such rule changes in the past | 08:50 |
| gibi | I'm fine not having a stable hat now. And so far we managed without it | 08:50 |
| bauzas | gibi: fwiw, stephenfin proposed to just have nova-stable-core == nova-core | 08:51 |
| bauzas | in the PTG etherpad | 08:51 |
| bauzas | so we will discuss this in June anyway | 08:51 |
| bauzas | (honestly, I'm +1 with this) | 08:52 |
| gibi | bauzas: yepp, we can discuss that and I'm not having anything right now against a simpler structure | 08:52 |
| bauzas | actually | 08:52 |
| bauzas | nova-stable-core = nova-core + other people | 08:52 |
| bauzas | (ie. just adding nova-core as a subteam for nova-stable-core) | 08:53 |
| gibi | yepp | 08:54 |
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| bauzas | gibi: sent https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723884/ to the gate | 09:09 |
| gibi | bauzas: ack, thanks. I will propose a backport to stable/ussuri after it merges | 09:10 |
| bauzas | gibi: since this one was tagged for ussuri, yeah we could do a RC2 | 09:10 |
| bauzas | gibi: that said, it's not a regression | 09:10 |
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| bauzas | gibi: so we could just merge it *after* RC1 | 09:10 |
| gibi | yepp, I just want to have clean do in the release if possible | 09:10 |
| bauzas | it's docs | 09:10 |
| gibi | s/do/doc/ | 09:10 |
| bauzas | so having it either for 20.0.0 or 20.0.1 doesn't change | 09:11 |
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| gibi | it changes when we release that. | 09:11 |
| bauzas | not really, this is docs | 09:11 |
| gibi | if we can add the doc in RC2 then it will be part of the next week release | 09:11 |
| gibi | if not then the doc will be part of a later point release | 09:11 |
| bauzas | gibi: say we merge it 1 second after GA | 09:11 |
| bauzas | we won't need to tag a .z version | 09:12 |
| bauzas | as it's a doc | 09:12 |
| gibi | bauzas: do you mean it does not matter as the doc is alwas generated to the web from the tip of the stable branch? | 09:12 |
| bauzas | gibi: what I mean is that the docs website will be changed by a zuul post pipeline once the change is merged | 09:16 |
| bauzas | (AFAIK) | 09:16 |
| bauzas | (I'm an infra specialist) | 09:16 |
| gibi | OK, I think I see your point. Then I propose the RC2 release now | 09:16 |
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| * bauzas verifies this | 09:18 | |
| bauzas | (the fact that the docs website is changed by a post pipeline without needing to tag a stable version) | 09:18 |
| gibi | bauzas: https://review.opendev.org/725517 RC2 patch | 09:18 |
| bauzas | ack thanks | 09:18 |
| bauzas | we can do a RC3 anyway if needed | 09:18 |
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| gibi | OK | 09:19 |
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| bauzas | zigo: fwiw, zuul said +1 :p | 09:22 |
| bauzas | zigo: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/724684/8 | 09:22 |
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| zigo | bauzas: Yeah, great, I'll fix the app thingy ! :) | 09:32 |
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| bauzas | zigo: I think that oslo.middleware now has the default backend to be disable_by_file | 09:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nalini Varshney proposed openstack/nova master: Add migration to make key field type VARBINARY in aggregate_metadata table, https://review.opendev.org/725522 | 09:35 |
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| stephenfin | bauzas: gibi: Care to push this dead-simple patch through? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/714675/ | 09:51 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: still doing a bit of laundry ? | 09:51 |
| stephenfin | it's a constant battle :( | 09:51 |
| bauzas | just program the washing machine for 60 degrees | 09:53 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: I also found https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tools/db/schema_diff.py#L45 | 09:56 |
| bauzas | should we also change it ? I think so | 09:56 |
| stephenfin | Yeah, we should. Don't know how I missed that. Lemme respin | 09:56 |
| gibi | I missed the same thing as I grepped only in the nova/ subdir | 09:57 |
| bauzas | unfortunately, we also support those tools :( | 09:58 |
| bauzas | without saying, I also tested 'import __future__." | 09:59 |
| bauzas | but nothing is using this way | 09:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Remove future imports https://review.opendev.org/714675 | 10:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Add nested resource providers limit for multi create https://review.opendev.org/723884 | 13:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jiri Suchomel proposed openstack/nova master: Remove deprecated nova.image.download hook https://review.opendev.org/725338 | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiri Suchomel proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Add ability to download Glance images into the libvirt image cache via RBD https://review.opendev.org/574301 | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Don't show upgr note for policy validation in V https://review.opendev.org/725226 | 13:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi Natsume proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: [WIP] Switch legacy Zuul jobs to native Zuul v3 jobs https://review.opendev.org/725163 | 14:57 |
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| bauzas | zigo: do you want me to propose a new revision for using a healthcheck app instead of a wsgi middleware ? | 15:25 |
| zigo | bauzas: I know how to do it, but if you have time, that'd be great. I'm a bit swamped testing the fix for [censored-because-embargoed]. | 15:26 |
| bauzas | kk | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sylvain Bauza proposed openstack/nova master: Add a /healthcheck URL https://review.opendev.org/724684 | 16:34 |
| bauzas | zigo: been there, done that ^ | 16:34 |
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| artom | dansmith, o/ Could you look over the NUMA LM fup patch: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/724903/ ? | 17:49 |
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| dansmith | yup in a bit | 17:50 |
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| gmann | bauzas: zigo +1 on idea of healthcheck but there are few things we should discuss. like adding nova specific backends like DB checks, compute service checks etc. how about adding a spec for that so that we do not miss the things. | 17:56 |
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| gmann | added in PTG etherpad also. | 18:00 |
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| gmann | cores- this is ready. making py38 functional job on gate - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/725372/ | 18:32 |
| dansmith | artom: I really hate the assertTrue($not_a_bool) and I thought we even had hacking rules to prevent tat | 18:52 |
| dansmith | artom: wouldn't assert_is_instance be better? | 18:52 |
| artom | dansmith, it would | 18:53 |
| dansmith | artom: wanna change it real quick and I'll fast approve assuming stephenfin would be fine with it given it still fits the pattern he wanted? | 18:53 |
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| artom | dansmith, on it | 18:53 |
| dansmith | thanks | 18:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Follow-up for NUMA live migration functional tests https://review.opendev.org/724903 | 19:02 |
| artom | dansmith, ^^ there we go | 19:02 |
| artom | Hol'up, I did a stupid | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Follow-up for NUMA live migration functional tests https://review.opendev.org/724903 | 19:04 |
| artom | OK, stupid un-did | 19:05 |
| dansmith | didn't you miss a bunch? | 19:05 |
| artom | Of assertTrues? | 19:05 |
| artom | Did I? There are some left, but they're actually checking booleans | 19:06 |
| dansmith | artom: but.. assertFalse should be assertIsNone, no? | 19:06 |
| artom | That implies I'm capable of thinking for myself about the larger picture | 19:08 |
| dansmith | aren't you just a small search-and-replace lamba function in the cloud somewhere? | 19:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Follow-up for NUMA live migration functional tests https://review.opendev.org/724903 | 19:10 |
| artom | :( | 19:10 |
| artom | My inputs are beer and hugs, and my output is sadness | 19:11 |
| dansmith | lol | 19:11 |
| dansmith | artom: before I whack this, you agree that this jives with stephenfin's ask right? I don't want to be reverting his vote | 19:12 |
| artom | Yeah, I don't see stephenfin disputing this, whack away | 19:12 |
| artom | You have our collective permission to do so | 19:13 |
| dansmith | doneski | 19:13 |
| artom | \o/ | 19:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Jiri Suchomel proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability to download Glance images into the libvirt image cache via RBD https://review.opendev.org/574301 | 19:27 |
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| zigo | gmann: I very much agree that all you say "would be nice", though the situation *before* this patch is even worse. There's nowhere where Haproxy can ask the API "are you up". | 19:45 |
| zigo | Operators have the choice of either configuring nothing, and then haproxy just opens a connection to the API port, and then closes it. This is very ugly, and makes lots of very bad entries in the logs. | 19:46 |
| zigo | Or operators can query "/" which gives a json with versions in return, and is not designed for all of this. | 19:46 |
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| zigo | So yeah, I agree with you that it'd be nice to check many things in the /healthcheck and improve it, but *after* this patch is merged. | 19:47 |
| zigo | BTW, we can actually disable the /healthcheck, it's enabled by default. | 19:48 |
| zigo | It'd be just by creating a file, as per disable_by_file_path = /var/run/nova/healthcheck_disable in the patch. | 19:48 |
| zigo | Which by the way is at the wrong location, IMO... | 19:48 |
| zigo | It should be in /etc/nova. | 19:48 |
| zigo | I'll change the path ... | 19:48 |
| zigo | (right away now) | 19:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack/nova master: Add a /healthcheck URL https://review.opendev.org/724684 | 19:51 |
| artom | gmann, zigo, FWIW I'm in favor of the /healthcheck URL (and I feel zigo's bandwidth as an operator). My concern would be around 1. documentation 2. openstack-wide uniformity | 19:55 |
| artom | So for instance, keystone has it as well, but IIUC you can't disable there via a file | 19:55 |
| zigo | artom: I intend to patch other projects. Neutron has already approved my patch, and got some +1 on other projects. | 19:56 |
| zigo | I can add more /etc/<FOO>/healthcheck_disable | 19:56 |
| zigo | As for documentation, well, maybe this goes into oslo.middleware ? | 19:57 |
| zigo | Do you have any other place more OpenStack wide to suggest ? | 19:57 |
| gmann | zigo: artom yeah, and there are way to add detail in response via conf, all those we can document. | 19:57 |
| artom | zigo, well... Maybe? The admins will be reading the project guides, not oslo.middleware docs... | 19:57 |
| gmann | zigo: but how about API is there but no DB connection? i mean DB check can be generic and can be done on oslo side | 19:58 |
| zigo | I don't feel like we should document this on each and every project *IF* we have consistency across projects. | 19:58 |
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| zigo | gmann: That's a call for adding more code in oslo.middleware then, no ? | 19:59 |
| artom | zigo, fair point | 19:59 |
| bnemec | gmann: That's the sort of thing mugsie suggested a while back. | 19:59 |
| artom | Is the docs SIG/WG still a thing? The would know... | 19:59 |
| gmann | zigo: yeah on oslo.middleware side. | 19:59 |
| artom | *They | 19:59 |
| bnemec | Basically the ability to do more than just HTTP API checks, say db, messaging, maybe libvirt for Nova. | 19:59 |
| gmann | artom: doc SIG is there. | 19:59 |
| artom | gmann, so they'd be the ones coming up with where to put this doc, if we get openstack-wide uniformity | 20:00 |
| gmann | bnemec: yeah, libvirt specific can be done as nova defined backend. but yeah good to have db, messaging things on oslo.middleware | 20:00 |
| artom | gmann, but... which DB? If the deployment is multicell, just the nova_api one? | 20:01 |
| artom | It's a rathole that I'm not sure we want to go down into, for something this simple | 20:01 |
| artom | /healthcheck is better than nothing, even if it's not perfect | 20:01 |
| gmann | artom: is it technical writing SIG not doc sig - https://governance.openstack.org/sigs/ | 20:01 |
| bnemec | artom: That was our conclusion too last time we discussed it. | 20:01 |
| bnemec | If we try to boil the ocean and healthcheck all the things this will never get done at all. | 20:02 |
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| gmann | yeah deployment model is one challenge for such checks | 20:02 |
| artom | gmann, and presumably we can improve this in the future, no? | 20:03 |
| artom | So maybe just version is (somehow) for now, and leave is as the simple middleware thing | 20:03 |
| artom | And eventually add /healthcheck/v2 or whatever, which can be smarter | 20:03 |
| artom | *version it | 20:04 |
| gmann | url can be same and configured backends by operator can enhance the checks. | 20:04 |
| gmann | zigo: i think we need separate new config on nova side if we want to disable it right? bnemec can correct me. | 20:07 |
| gmann | otherwise if middleware is added then it is enabled by defualt | 20:08 |
| gmann | default | 20:08 |
| bnemec | If we want to make healthcheck runtime configurable then it would be preferrable if we could do it in oslo. Otherwise you end up with a half dozen differen opts in different projects designed to do the same thing. | 20:10 |
| gmann | bnemec: yeah. i am worried to have enable by default because it is unauthenticated endpoint. | 20:11 |
| artom | gmann, what's the harm though? | 20:12 |
| artom | Like, OK, anyone can spam that, but so can anyone spam any other API and get a flood of 403s back | 20:13 |
| artom | The disk of DOS (if that's your concern) is greater with the second one, because keystone has to actually do work | 20:13 |
| artom | *risk of | 20:13 |
| bnemec | My understanding was the unauthenticated healthchecks are generally okay. Most of the stuff calling them doesn't have auth capability anyway, so you don't have much choice. | 20:14 |
| gmann | artom: well it is still security risk to know services running on that node | 20:15 |
| artom | gmann, security by obscurity is Real Bad (TM) ;) | 20:15 |
| gmann | yeah i am not suggesting to make it auth but disable by default and let operator to enable it by knowing this is unauth things. | 20:15 |
| artom | If knowing that nova-api is running somewhere is a risk, we're doing something horribly wrong | 20:15 |
| bnemec | How would you prevent them from knowing the service is there? A simple port scan would tell them that. | 20:16 |
| artom | gmann, off by default works for me. But that only reinforces the doc problem - admins have to know how to enable it, and more fundamentally that it's available | 20:17 |
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| gmann | artom: doc anyways we might need to tell at least it is there now in nova and refer oslo doc for all details and config options. | 20:18 |
| gmann | and there is no harm of doing those doc of 2-3 line in all projects start implementing that and point to oslo doc for details. because we do not have any central doc place now for openstack operators/admin etc as general | 20:19 |
| artom | gmann, fair point | 20:21 |
| gmann | knowing service can be hacked by multiple way. but is it fine to have this unatuh endpoint for operator without no way to disable it ? may be zigo can tell. | 20:21 |
| gmann | i felt giving the enable/disable option for them does not harm. disable by default or enable that can be disucssed whatever is more common. | 20:22 |
| zigo | The thing is, in a typical deployment, haproxy will be the one holding the API on a public IP. | 20:22 |
| zigo | So, an operator could disable /healthcheck on haproxy because it's in front. | 20:23 |
| zigo | The /healthcheck from the nova-api would typically *not* be reachable from the outside. | 20:23 |
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| gmann | but it can be reachable to anyone for other deployment which are not under haproxy or other layer of direction/load balancer etc | 20:25 |
| gmann | disabling on haproxy side is all good i think. | 20:25 |
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| zigo | We have the / which needs to be enabled unauth anyways... | 20:26 |
| artom | gmann, I still strongly disagree that it's a legit security risk - or if it is, we've messed up badly | 20:27 |
| artom | Our security should be that nova-api is safe, not that we need to hide it :) | 20:28 |
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| dansmith | I haven't been paying attention here | 20:31 |
| dansmith | but anything that generates db or mq traffic should be authenticated, I think | 20:31 |
| dansmith | even if read-only | 20:31 |
| artom | dansmith, it doesn't | 20:31 |
| dansmith | okay, so a only a healthcheck of "can you respond to http requests" then? | 20:32 |
| artom | dansmith, yep | 20:32 |
| dansmith | because generally those expand to "can you talk to your database?" etc | 20:32 |
| artom | dansmith, yeah, gmann wanted to do that, but IMO it's complexity we don't necessarily need (right now) | 20:32 |
| artom | For instance, which database? api? cell1? What about multicell? | 20:33 |
| dansmith | artom: right, so if it's going to grow to that (which most people will want it it, AFAIK) you should consider it needing to be auth'd | 20:33 |
| gmann | dansmith: yeah, my idea is to expand that to DB checks also | 20:34 |
| artom | dansmith, no argument there from me | 20:34 |
| dansmith | because I would expect returning a dict of each db (api, cell1, cell2, etc) as well as each mq would be exactly what people want | 20:34 |
| dansmith | gmann: right | 20:34 |
| dansmith | artom: so are you arguing that if you have no auth, you get a "yes I'm here but that's all I will tell you" response/ | 20:34 |
| gmann | artom: and i will say we finalize it now what all things we want to do with healthcheck instead of expending it later which make lot of things change like auth, enable/disable things etc. but only https request checks we are like 'everything is fine as it is' | 20:36 |
| artom | dansmith, it was more of a response to gmann's security risk argument - that just knowing a service is running somewhere is not a security risk, or if it is, we've done something horribly wrong | 20:36 |
| artom | gmann, you mean future proofing it? | 20:36 |
| * bnemec will worry a lot more about security of these hypothetical healthchecks when they actually exist | 20:36 | |
| bnemec | We've been discussing them for years and nobody has actually implemented anything. | 20:37 |
| gmann | that is why i suggested to have spec and then discuss what all things we want to do with that. | 20:37 |
| dansmith | gmann: we should never expect to design something like that once and forever, but agree we should not design it before making it useful, only to have to revise | 20:37 |
| artom | gmann, yeah, I get that... It's just... looks to me like it'll get bogged down in the kind of discussion that we're having :) | 20:37 |
| gmann | bnemec: yeah, it has more attention now as zigo also brought it up for doing it for all projects as community goal which is good idea. | 20:38 |
| artom | So I'd be more in the campg of "do something easy and useful *now*, trying to future-proof it", instead "do something perfect later" | 20:38 |
| bnemec | It's not the first time that has happened either. I proposed it in Berlin as a community goal. | 20:38 |
| dansmith | artom: so you leave all your computer's ports open while connected directly to the internet and depend on windows/samba auth to keep people out of your files right? :) | 20:38 |
| dansmith | expose ssh to everyone, relying on your password and the patched-ness of your sshd, etc | 20:39 |
| artom | I mean, I've almost done the latter | 20:40 |
| gmann | artom: but it can break things later say, it is enable by default and if we extend in future for things need more care then we may want to disable it by default. | 20:40 |
| gmann | bnemec: ah, did not know that :) | 20:40 |
| artom | gmann, I'm not arguing off by default :) | 20:40 |
| dansmith | artom: but you wouldn't tell everyone to do that as matter of policy right? there're legit reasons to limit scope and reach, not all of which are "have done something terribly wrong" | 20:41 |
| artom | dansmith, yes, I understand reducing target aread | 20:42 |
| artom | *area | 20:42 |
| melwitt | gmann: just a note that we recently made version discovery unauth'ed https://review.opendev.org/685181 if that is relevant at all | 20:46 |
| gmann | melwitt: yeah that is fine but in case of healthcheck which can be extended on more deeper check of DB etc so keeping it unauth and enable by default with no way to disable is my concern. at least we can make it disable by default and let operator to enable it knowingly. | 20:50 |
| melwitt | k | 20:50 |
| gmann | with good help msg in config option. | 20:50 |
| dansmith | agree | 20:50 |
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| zigo | artom: I think writing what you describe as the perfect /healthcheck should prevent enabling what we already have. | 21:08 |
| artom | zigo, wait, why is that addressed to me? I'm agreeing with bnemec and you, somethign good now is better than something perfect later :) | 21:09 |
| zigo | Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have what you described. | 21:09 |
| zigo | Oh, wrong person? :) | 21:09 |
| artom | dansmith I think | 21:09 |
| zigo | Maybe ... | 21:09 |
| artom | With this dict that gives cell and mq status for all cells and mqs | 21:09 |
| artom | *his | 21:09 |
| zigo | Everyone keeps disturbing me and I can't read IRC properly! :) | 21:09 |
| zigo | Sorry then. | 21:10 |
| artom | No worries :) | 21:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova stable/ussuri: Functional tests for NUMA live migration https://review.opendev.org/725736 | 23:57 |
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