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| yonglihe | alex_xu, small spec 'server group' is reviewed rounds, i worry it might need few more, we are so close to feature freeze, it's quite small. please put it on your work list | 00:28 |
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| yonglihe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612255/12 | 00:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jie Li proposed openstack/nova master: Support volume-backed server rebuild in compute https://review.openstack.org/625893 | 01:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: add spec "show-server-numa-topology" https://review.openstack.org/612256 | 02:20 |
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| yonglihe | Thanks, Jay, alex_xu, i know this might be too pushy, it's run out of time, i wonder the server-group spec may also close enough. i'm here, could response quickly. | 02:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Propose counting quota usage from placement and API database https://review.openstack.org/509042 | 02:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hesam Chobanlou proposed openstack/nova master: nova.exception._clean_dict should use oslo_utils.strutils https://review.openstack.org/629769 | 05:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Per-instance serial number (spec) https://review.openstack.org/612531 | 05:55 |
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| jangutter | ; | 08:13 |
| jangutter | bauzas: thanks for the review on https://review.openstack.org/567148 - did I address your query, or should I amend the spec to explicitly state "no impact in this case"? | 08:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jie Li proposed openstack/nova master: Change compute api microversion to support for volume-backed server rebuild https://review.openstack.org/627518 | 08:36 |
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| kashyap | dansmith: Thanks for the review! | 08:54 |
| kashyap | dansmith: Yeah, forgot the index thingie; will fix. | 08:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Jie Li proposed openstack/nova master: Change compute api microversion to support for volume-backed server rebuild https://review.openstack.org/627518 | 09:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Takashi NATSUME proposed openstack/nova master: Add description about sort order in API ref guideline https://review.openstack.org/627282 | 09:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vlad Gusev proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Do not dump all instances in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/629822 | 10:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jie Li proposed openstack/nova master: Change api microversion to support for bfv https://review.openstack.org/627518 | 10:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jie Li proposed openstack/nova master: Bump API microversion to support rebuild bfv instances https://review.openstack.org/627518 | 11:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Spec to implement vRouter HW offloads https://review.openstack.org/567148 | 11:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Kashyap Chamarthy proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Secure live migration with QEMU-native TLS https://review.openstack.org/629627 | 11:30 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: If you have a few minutes today, appreciate your rST (& general) eyes ^ | 11:30 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: Already done | 11:30 |
| stephenfin | I think | 11:30 |
| kashyap | Darn, did I _just_ miss your feedback? | 11:30 |
| stephenfin | Think so | 11:31 |
| kashyap | Ah, yes. I addressed a few; will address the rest | 11:32 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Before I go for lunuch | 11:32 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: ... on that "has" vs. "have" -- I was referring to Dan's correction of my mistake at the top of the file | 11:32 |
| kashyap | (So I was referring to ) | 11:32 |
| kashyap | s/to/to my own mistake/ | 11:32 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Thanks for the comments | 11:34 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: And yes -- the doc _does_ render; I built locally before pushing | 11:35 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: render _correctly_? | 11:35 |
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| jaypipes | yonglihe: morning. | 12:23 |
| jaypipes | yonglihe: or evening for you :) | 12:23 |
| jaypipes | yonglihe: I'm close on the server group spec. will review shortly. | 12:23 |
| jaypipes | yonglihe: you might want to reach out to gmann since he was -1 on the spec | 12:24 |
| jaypipes | yonglihe: ok, re-reviewing. Ghanshyam's suggestions are very good. If you could make those small changes, I'll +W it. | 12:29 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: ^^ | 12:29 |
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| cdent | jaypipes: you wanna kick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629299/ in , make cfriesen happy | 12:41 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: reviewed. | 12:48 |
| cdent | thanks | 12:48 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I would like at the very least a more descriptive comment and a link to some docs. | 12:49 |
| cdent | seems reasonable | 12:49 |
| jaypipes | ty sir | 12:49 |
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| cdent | jaypipes: you might also have some thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/626055/ , which seems to be a "why aren't you using placement for this" spec | 12:50 |
| cdent | of course given the date, I'm not sure it matters | 12:50 |
| jaypipes | cdent: ack, thanks for the heads up, appreciated. | 12:51 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: Yes, it does. Sorry, that's what I meant. | 13:20 |
| kashyap | Let me show you a quick screenshot | 13:20 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Here: http://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/TLS-rST-rendering-just-for-stephenfin.png | 13:22 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Ah, here is the official rendering: http://logs.openstack.org/27/629627/2/check/openstack-tox-docs/dc52e37/html/admin/secure-live-migration-with-qemu-native-tls.html | 13:24 |
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| alex_xu | jaypipes: let me ping yonglihe | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | i'm here | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | working on that | 13:44 |
| jaypipes | heya :) | 13:44 |
| yonglihe | hi, good morning | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | hah, cool | 13:45 |
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| stephenfin | kashyap: Ah, all good so | 13:49 |
| stephenfin | One thing I do spot is the note here http://logs.openstack.org/27/629627/2/check/openstack-tox-docs/dc52e37/html/admin/secure-live-migration-with-qemu-native-tls.html#performing-the-migration | 13:49 |
| * kashyap clicks | 13:49 | |
| stephenfin | Indent _is_ off for that | 13:49 |
| stephenfin | (presumably, anyway) | 13:49 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Ah, that's why it didn't render cleanly | 13:49 |
| kashyap | Good catch | 13:50 |
| gibi | nova meeting starts in 10 minutes in #openstack-meeting | 13:50 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: On that ~~~ vs ---, I checked the existing pattern and went with it | 13:51 |
| stephenfin | yup, agreed | 13:51 |
| stephenfin | I did the same | 13:51 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Since we're going to "fix it", should I change it to ---? | 13:51 |
| stephenfin | eh, we'll do it all at once, I suspect | 13:51 |
| stephenfin | local consistency first | 13:51 |
| kashyap | Or stay consistent for now, and do a bulk thingie later? | 13:51 |
| kashyap | Yep | 13:51 |
| kashyap | I'll let it be for now. | 13:51 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: Please remind me again -- on using lower case "nova" vs. upper case? | 13:54 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/writing-style/openstack-components.html | 13:54 |
| * cdent loves that stephenfin loves hypertext | 13:55 | |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: It doesn't tell _why_ | 13:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Yongli He proposed openstack/nova-specs master: add 'show-server-group' spec https://review.openstack.org/612255 | 13:56 |
| kashyap | I think it's in the "Service Project Naming" | 13:56 |
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| stephenfin | kashyap: For that, you'll have to ask #openstack-doc. I don't actually recall | 13:56 |
| kashyap | [quote] | 13:57 |
| kashyap | The history of this decision is that the documentation contributors wanted the least amount of cognitive overhead when writing and reviewing. Learning rules about case can be difficult across multiple projects with hundreds of documentation contributors and thousands of changes and additions. Lowercase for project names as a rule is then easiest to review and enforce at this scale and growth | 13:57 |
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| kashyap | pattern. | 13:57 |
| kashyap | [/quote] | 13:57 |
| kashyap | So it's to lower the cognitive overhead, at the cost of "impure English". Yikes! | 13:57 |
| cdent | why do you think nova should be uppered? | 13:58 |
| kashyap | That's also part of concentration & focus: using the correct capitalization, punctuation, etc. at the right place | 13:58 |
| * cdent hates extraneous upper casing | 13:58 | |
| kashyap | cdent: It's a proper noun | 13:58 |
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| cdent | not all proper nouns are upper cased | 13:58 |
| kashyap | True, though. But in this case "intuition" says so :D | 13:59 |
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| kashyap | And "Nova" is a special noun | 13:59 |
| kashyap | But anyway, I'll go with the rule, now that I know the history of it. | 13:59 |
| kashyap | cdent: Random internet person says this: https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/rules-for-capitalizing-proper-nouns.html | 14:00 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: Where was that quote from? | 14:00 |
| cdent | kashyap: my response to that is "meh" ;) | 14:00 |
| stephenfin | You might add it to that page I linked, if you find the time | 14:00 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Ha! I read the doc buried in the doc -- https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/service-project-naming.html | 14:00 |
| stephenfin | ahh | 14:01 |
| stephenfin | cool :) | 14:01 |
| kashyap | I wonder what else are we doing in the name of "lowering cognitive overhead". There's a time and place for it | 14:01 |
| kashyap | But not with proper nouns. Haha | 14:01 |
| * kashyap stops trolling | 14:01 | |
| jangutter | "openstack: The meeting name has been set to 'nova' " <---- shouldn't that be "OpenStack: The meeting name has been set to 'Nova' " ? | 14:01 |
| kashyap | jangutter: Heh, there the bot is called 'openstack'; so in that context it's OK :D | 14:02 |
| * stephenfin sees what jangutter did there | 14:02 | |
| jangutter | kashyap: hehehe, it's just the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: feel free to send https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612255/ along | 14:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maciej Jozefczyk proposed openstack/nova master: Add fill_virtual_interface_list online_data_migration script https://review.openstack.org/614167 | 14:04 |
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| alex_xu | jaypipes: done | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Maciej Jozefczyk proposed openstack/nova master: Force refresh instance info_cache during heal https://review.openstack.org/591607 | 14:06 |
| stephenfin | bauzas: You think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-neutron-sriov-livemigration is something you could revisit today? | 14:07 |
| stephenfin | and maybe jaypipes, for the first time? ^ | 14:08 |
| stephenfin | I ask because I have reviewed most of the implementation, and it's pretty straightforward. Also, it's a long time bugbear of mine | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | ack. will get to that shortly stephenfin | 14:09 |
| stephenfin | thank you sir | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova stable/queens: Fail to live migration if instance has a NUMA topology https://review.openstack.org/629597 | 14:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: add 'show-server-group' spec https://review.openstack.org/612255 | 14:19 |
| yonglihe | alex_xu, Jay, thanks. Have a good one. | 14:20 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Is a single back-tick OK here: :oslo.config:option:`libvirt.live_migration_with_native_tls` | 14:20 |
| kashyap | Or does it require a double back-tick? | 14:20 |
| stephenfin | single | 14:20 |
| stephenfin | double is only used for literals | 14:21 |
| stephenfin | single backticks means "default role", which is configurable but defaults to italics | 14:21 |
| stephenfin | single backticks without the :xyz: prefix for an explicit role | 14:21 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I see, thanks for the education. | 14:21 |
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| kashyap | stephenfin: One last English nit-pick: you suggest "commas" in the place of em-dash, e.g. look at point 2 in the "Prerequisites" section: http://logs.openstack.org/27/629627/2/check/openstack-tox-docs/dc52e37/html/admin/secure-live-migration-with-qemu-native-tls.html | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | yup? | 14:26 |
| kashyap | It makes sense to retain that there. | 14:26 |
| kashyap | Because the content between the em-dashes can also be used in brackets, _or_ two commas. | 14:26 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: True, em dash ~= comma | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | but I tend to see them used more for asides | 14:27 |
| kashyap | Sure. | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | something not directly related to the main sentence | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | i.e. | 14:27 |
| kashyap | In this case I've used it in place of two commas (which is also used for bracketed content) | 14:27 |
| stephenfin | I was on the way home, driving on the motorway, when I saw a cat | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | vs. | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | I was on the way home -- a needless endeavour, it turned out -- when I saw a cat | 14:28 |
| stephenfin | I don't know if that's correct, but that's how _I've_ done it :) | 14:29 |
| kashyap | Hehe, I see your point there | 14:29 |
| kashyap | But, in this case: | 14:29 |
| kashyap | "A pre-configured TLS environment—i.e. CA, server, and client certificates, their file permissions, et al—must be “correctly” configured (typically by an installer tool) on all relevant compute nodes." | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | kashyap: em-dash ftw. | 14:29 |
| stephenfin | fair :) | 14:29 |
| kashyap | Replacing those em-dashes with more commas is fugly | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | stephenfin: :P | 14:29 |
| kashyap | I can use brackets, though. | 14:29 |
| stephenfin | Just space them out either side and I'm happy (not sure if that's correct but it's tough to read otherwise) | 14:29 |
| stephenfin | jaypipes: I blame asettle | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | heh :) | 14:30 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Haha, you know ... I have read the literature on the _spacing_ too | 14:30 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: When the doc is rendered, a space between two em-dashes attract too much attention to the em-dash iself. | 14:30 |
| kashyap | s/iself/itself/ | 14:30 |
| kashyap | See the fine point? :D | 14:30 |
| kashyap | That was also a conscious (and consistent) choice throughout the doc | 14:31 |
| kashyap | But if you insist, you know, in the name of civility I will happily add the spaces (consistently through out) :-) | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | :D | 14:31 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I don't joke when I say I take my English seriously :D | 14:31 |
| stephenfin | Noted :D | 14:32 |
| kashyap | Sorry, if I'm taxing your brain. I like these pedantics, I know you do, too. | 14:32 |
| jangutter | kasyap: obligatory https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/third_way.png | 14:32 |
| * stephenfin thinks kashyap missed his chance to work with #openstack-doc when it was still a normal team :) Nice bunch | 14:32 | |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I dislike the past tense :-( | 14:33 |
| kashyap | The team no longer exists now? And all docs are taken care of by relavant components? | 14:33 |
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| stephenfin | Still there but only for things like the contributor guide that don't have a home elsewhere | 14:34 |
| kashyap | jangutter: Two spaces after a period is, of course, the correct thing. It gives the brain a "breathing room" between the sentences, dammit. | 14:34 |
| * stephenfin sharpens pitchfork | 14:35 | |
| kashyap | stephenfin: I see. But I can still enjoy working on the Nova docs to my heart's content | 14:35 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: LOL, I know your view on that | 14:35 |
| jangutter | kashyap: Them's fighting words. | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | kashyap: I like how the iPhone settled it. You type two spaces, and it inserts a period and a single space. :) | 14:42 |
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| jangutter | One day, someone's going to add a small piece of code to lint the spaces after a period in doc8 and it will trigger World War III. | 14:44 |
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| adrianc | jaypipes: Hi, ive been working with sean-k-mooney on enabling live-migration with SR-IOV, it would be great if you could add this to your review queue. | 14:46 |
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| jaypipes | adrianc: it's the next one in my list. | 14:47 |
| gibi | melwitt: FYI On the today's meeting stephenfin and I agreed that the bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/fix-reschedule-up-calls is good to go for Stein but as no other cores was present I haven't approved the bp yet. | 14:47 |
| kashyap | edleafe: Heh | 14:47 |
| kashyap | edleafe: Didn't know that; /me doesn' want to put more cash in Apple's bank :D | 14:47 |
| adrianc | jaypipes, thanks :) | 14:47 |
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| stephenfin | adrianc: finished reviewing the stack of changes and spec. Ping me if there's anything else to do | 14:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | i see stephenfin has corrected my grammer hehe | 15:00 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: I had to leave _some_ comments ;) | 15:00 |
| stephenfin | emphasis on "none of which matter that much unless you have to rework" though | 15:00 |
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| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: ill wait for jaypipes to finish and i can quickly resping or i can submig a follow up pacth with the cleanup which ever suits | 15:01 |
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| adrianc | stephenfin: ack thank you, will review. | 15:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Kashyap Chamarthy proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Secure live migration with QEMU-native TLS https://review.openstack.org/629627 | 15:02 |
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| kashyap | Darn, one last thing to fix, the ".. note::" indentation | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kashyap Chamarthy proposed openstack/nova master: docs: Secure live migration with QEMU-native TLS https://review.openstack.org/629627 | 15:16 |
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| kashyap | dansmith: When you have a spare minute, as promised (with even a nice +2 on it), the doc patch: http://logs.openstack.org/27/629627/4/check/openstack-tox-docs/5bc0591/html/admin/secure-live-migration-with-qemu-native-tls.html | 15:41 |
| kashyap | dansmith: It is also revised and corrected as thoroughly as I could (and the back-and-forth on the review shows it, I hope) :-) | 15:42 |
| kashyap | (For convenience, here's the review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629627/4) | 15:42 |
| dansmith | kashyap: yeah I know, I've gotten the notifications, just have stuff to do this morning before I get to it | 15:42 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Thanks for the quick turn around | 15:42 |
| kashyap | dansmith: Ah, didn't know you follow those notifications. On IRC, I follow the "explicit is better than implicit" principle :-) | 15:43 |
| kashyap | It can wait until your morning tasks are done, so long as it doesn't miss the BP-Approvals deadline. | 15:44 |
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| mnaser | kashyap: that's a pretty sweet doc patch. | 15:51 |
| kashyap | mnaser: Thanks :-) | 15:51 |
| mnaser | i'm going to try and work up some openstack ansible patches which allow setting tls config | 15:52 |
| kashyap | mnaser: Cool; do post a URL here when you get around to it | 15:52 |
| mnaser | we have a full pki so switching this on and replacing it should be straightforward, will do | 15:52 |
| kashyap | mnaser: When I dev-tested it, I painfully configured it by hand! Look at the scrollbar: https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/Native-TLS/Setup-for-NBD-and-migration-streams-over-TLS.rst.txt | 15:52 |
| mnaser | OSA doesn't have the PKI, our deployments do, but i'm sure we can figure out a way to make it easily available inside it, somehow | 15:53 |
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| kashyap | It's from-scratch, though, set up in virtual environments | 15:53 |
| dansmith | kashyap: I'm fine with approving the blueprint at this point | 15:53 |
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| kashyap | mnaser: Do you know about the freeipa.org project? | 15:53 |
| mnaser | kashyap: freeipa is exactly what we run :) | 15:53 |
| kashyap | mnaser: It does all the Cert Lifecycle handling. (In the distant past, /me used to work on one of its PKI components :-)) | 15:53 |
| mnaser | so i was thinking of getting certs and using certmonger to keep em up to date too | 15:53 |
| kashyap | dansmith: Nice, thank you | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: done. | 15:53 |
| jaypipes | adrianc: ^ | 15:54 |
| kashyap | mnaser: Yep; 'certmonger' handles the much-needed renewal aspect | 15:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: cool ill assume i have rework to do so ill respin | 15:54 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: just typos/grammar nits. | 15:54 |
| mnaser | yep, so i'd probably wire it up to that, somehow | 15:54 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: fix those up and I'm +2. | 15:54 |
| sean-k-mooney | cool ill do dose now so thanks for reviewing | 15:55 |
| kashyap | mnaser: Sometimes, I just write a no-frills PKI setup with GnuTLS -- that's hacky, but I like the minimalism of it | 15:55 |
| mnaser | kashyap: freeipa has simplified pki so much | 15:56 |
| kashyap | (That's only for dev environments, though. Normally, you'd want an "enterprise PKI" :D) | 15:56 |
| mnaser | and it has a ton of neat things like we're using SSHFP + DNSSEC so for clients that aren't enrolled, they can use SSHFP to verify validity of server when logging in | 15:57 |
| kashyap | mnaser: Yep, recall. Components of FreeIPA were part of my first project at Red Hat 10 years ago :-) | 15:57 |
| mnaser | aka never hitting "yes" blindly anymore | 15:57 |
| kashyap | s/recal/I recall/ | 15:57 |
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| kashyap | mnaser: Didn't follow it lately; good to know it also handles DNNSEC | 15:59 |
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| mnaser | kashyap: yeah so you can have signed zones, and then freeipa will create SSHFP records on enrollment, ssh clients lookup these records when connecting and make sure the server is who it claims to be :) pretty neat | 15:59 |
| kashyap | Very nifty | 16:00 |
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| melwitt | dansmith, gibi, jaypipes: looks like we are a go for approving https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/support-qemu-native-tls-for-live-migration now? | 16:17 |
| dansmith | yup | 16:17 |
| melwitt | I also wanted to get consensus on approving this one too https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/fix-reschedule-up-calls | 16:18 |
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| dansmith | is matt really going to work on that? | 16:19 |
| dansmith | if so, I'm fine with it.. looks like it's just a token bp because of the rpc changes or something | 16:20 |
| melwitt | yeah, I'm not sure if he'll have time given cross-cell resize | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | melwitt: sorry, Melanie, I haven't had a chance to look at that. | 16:21 |
| melwitt | but I noticed the bp when I went through the list of things targeted to stein | 16:22 |
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| efried | jackding: Hi there. Do you know who is planning to implement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620959/ and on what kind of timeline? | 16:49 |
| efried | jackding: bp/cpu-model-selection that is | 16:50 |
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| jackding | efried: I don't know the timeline but I believe a Intel team is looking into this. | 16:55 |
| efried | jackding: Heh, just so. I guess that's why I'm being asked about it. | 16:55 |
| jackding | efried: yeh I don't think they have sorted out the details | 16:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jack Ding proposed openstack/nova master: Improve libvirt image and snapshot handling https://review.openstack.org/616692 | 16:57 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Hope my response answers your question there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625216/5/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py@230 | 17:02 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I'm thinking we can just approve the up calls one and then I'll ask matt next week if he's planning to work on it, if not I'll just defer it back out | 17:04 |
| dansmith | melwitt: okay | 17:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Doc: rebuild can result in SHUTOFF VM state https://review.openstack.org/629904 | 17:09 |
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| stephenfin | jaypipes: Happy to +2 this assuming sean-k-mooney provides a follow up that handles the outstanding issues? https://review.openstack.org/605116 | 17:11 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: I assume you're planning doing that :) | 17:11 |
| stephenfin | *to do | 17:11 |
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| sean-k-mooney | its half done | 17:12 |
| sean-k-mooney | metting delayed me finishing it | 17:12 |
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| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: jaypipes the only real change to me is do "git commit" or "git commit --amend" when its done which will be later today im just about to have something quick to eat and look at the extra nits from artom. | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | stephenfin: yes, I'm happy to +2 after sean-k-mooney removes the Sean-speak from it :P | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: I'm also grabbing some lunch, no worires :) | 17:16 |
| artom | "worires"? Sean-speak, eh? | 17:16 |
| artom | >;) | 17:16 |
| dansmith | oh gawd, jay caught it | 17:22 |
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| sean-k-mooney | yeah im slowly infulencing ye all :) | 17:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | be back in 30 mins or so | 17:26 |
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| kashyap | Is Gerrit down? | 17:29 |
| kashyap | "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." | 17:30 |
| kashyap | Whoops, this says it's just me: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/review.openstack.org | 17:30 |
| cdent | me too | 17:30 |
| melwitt | the infra folks just restarted gerrit | 17:30 |
| melwitt | should be back soon I think | 17:30 |
| kashyap | melwitt: Ah, thanks! | 17:31 |
| kashyap | Yes, it's back now | 17:31 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: do you agree that this bp should have a spec at least because it's proposing to add a new flavor extra spec? or do you think it would be ok specless? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-disable-pmu-for-realtime-guests | 17:33 |
| dansmith | will look in a sec | 17:34 |
| melwitt | thanks. just want a sanity check | 17:34 |
| kashyap | stephenfin: Worth respinning for the nit, and losing the +2s? Instead of a follow-up? | 17:34 |
| kashyap | (For this, I mean: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625216/) | 17:34 |
| stephenfin | kashyap: narp. Follow up | 17:35 |
| stephenfin | +W'd | 17:35 |
| stephenfin | assuming melwitt didn't want to review it? ^ | 17:35 |
| kashyap | Ah, okay, then. Thank you. I do have a follow-up patch in prep for the deprecation notes, etc. | 17:35 |
| kashyap | FWIW, Mel did review the "mini spec" (blueprint), though. So I know she's onboard with the idea :-) | 17:37 |
| kashyap | Alright, I get dinner, then. | 17:37 |
| dansmith | melwitt: I dunno, I have a couple questions about the functionality, which might mean spec. Not sure if we always require a spec for new extra_specs, but generally they mean features which need some discussion | 17:39 |
| dansmith | melwitt: sucks to say that on the spec deadline day, but this was also filed three days ago, so I dunno | 17:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | dansmith: it was a small feature i was just pulling in form work i planned to do in train. i can write a mini spec if people want but i also wont be upset if we defer | 17:40 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: if it's train, then spec and defer | 17:40 |
| dansmith | imho | 17:41 |
| dansmith | oh, this isn't targeted at stein? I figured that's why melwitt was asking | 17:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | it is targeted to stien | 17:41 |
| melwitt | well, sean-k-mooney added it to the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-blueprint-spec-freeze near the bottom so I was trying to make sure it got some consideration | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | but down stream it was not planned to be worked on until next cycle | 17:42 |
| sean-k-mooney | i just taugh ti would have time to do it since it is small | 17:42 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: okay I don't see that in lo | 17:42 |
| dansmith | *lp | 17:42 |
| melwitt | yeah, I think only the nova-drivers group can target it | 17:43 |
| dansmith | sean-k-mooney: are you saying that merely having the device exposed incurs the perf penalty? | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | so ya ill write a spec a and propose in train when the window reopens | 17:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 17:43 |
| dansmith | if so, that sucks, but also I don't really like having the tristate where =none could mean anything | 17:43 |
| dansmith | IMHO, =none should mean =false, although I'm sure you're going to say that it may or may not be enabled today by default, | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | the over all latency cost of virtualiation was a minium latency hit of 60 micro second this redused it to 50 micoro second when turning it off | 17:44 |
| dansmith | but regardless, seems better to be more deterministic to me | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | libvirt automaticaly tunes it on of you use cpu_mode=host-passthorugh and turns it off otherwise | 17:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i was just tryign to keep that behavior | 17:45 |
| dansmith | sounds confusing to me | 17:45 |
| dansmith | libvirt or our libvirt driver? | 17:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | well if the pmu is not present things like the linux perf tool dont work fully so i dont want disable by defualt | 17:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | libvirt well qemu | 17:46 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | if no element is defiend qemu make the decion based on if cpu=host or some other value | 17:46 |
| sean-k-mooney | basically my plan was if you dont set the extra spec we would not set the libivrt xml value which is what we do today and if you do set it we set the element to what you set explictly | 17:48 |
| dansmith | yeah, understand | 17:49 |
| dansmith | there's some benefit to that for sure, it just sucks to have that be ill-defined I think | 17:50 |
| dansmith | but definitely needs to be documented | 17:50 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep so do we want to leave this to train or woudl it be suffient to document it in the singel patch that impements the feature | 17:51 |
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| nicolasbock | Hi. Is it possible to PXE boot a Nova instance? Looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133254/ this possibility was at least considered at some point, but abandoned in the Kilo cycle. The current Nova master doesn't seem to support PXE booting (or specifying a network device as boot device) if I understand the code correctly. But I wanted to make sure that I am not missing something. | 18:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | nicolasbock: i belive you have to enable the boot menu via the image metadata and then hit f1 | 18:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | in the vnc console to select pxe booting | 18:19 |
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| nicolasbock | Ah ok | 18:19 |
| nicolasbock | So there is still a manual step involved | 18:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya i dont think you can set it to auto pxe boot but i may be wronge | 18:20 |
| nicolasbock | In other words, Nova can not configure the libvirt domain to try booting from net. | 18:20 |
| nicolasbock | Ok | 18:20 |
| nicolasbock | Thanks for the info sean-k-mooney ! | 18:20 |
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| sean-k-mooney | perhaps someone else can answer the netboot question but not that i am aware of | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for sriov live migration https://review.openstack.org/605116 | 18:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: artom stephenfin bauzas ^ nits addressed | 18:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for sriov live migration https://review.openstack.org/605116 | 18:36 |
| openstackgerrit | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for sriov live migration https://review.openstack.org/605116 | 18:37 |
| sean-k-mooney | ok i had a tab and a repated "as" which i also just fixed that really should be done now | 18:39 |
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| sean-k-mooney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605116/10..13/specs/stein/approved/libvirt-neutron-sriov-livemigration.rst will show you the delta from the previous version ye reviewed | 18:40 |
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| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: +2 from me. stephenfin can send it on its merry way in a bit. | 18:59 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: well he could if he was a specs core but he is not | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | ah, then melwitt can :) | 19:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: thank you however for your +2 | 19:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | nope neither is she | 19:00 |
| jaypipes | wha?! | 19:00 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: dansmith: and bauzas can | 19:01 |
| jaypipes | ok, bauzas it is then, since he's reviewed that already :) | 19:01 |
| melwitt | yeah, I think you could +W it yourself though with a note that bauzas was previously +2 before nit fixing | 19:01 |
| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: nova-specs-core is a very select group https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/302,members :) | 19:01 |
| melwitt | in case bauzas is gone for the day | 19:02 |
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| jaypipes | melwitt: k, I will give bauzas a little while and will +W it along after waiting a bit. | 19:04 |
| melwitt | k, sounds good | 19:04 |
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| artom | Booting an instance with cpu_policy=dedicated (and no other NUMA-y stuff) and 1GB of RAM in the flavor results in a rather bizarre libvirt message | 21:41 |
| artom | total memory for NUMA nodes (0x100000) should equal RAM size (0x200000) | 21:41 |
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| artom | Even if <memory unit='KiB'>1024</memory> and <numa> <cell id='0' cpus='0' memory='1024' unit='KiB'/> </numa> | 21:42 |
| artom | Same thing but with 2GB is fine. | 21:42 |
| artom | Either I'm missing something way obvious, or there's a bug :/ | 21:43 |
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| artom | sean-k-mooney ^^ if your weird sleep schedule makes you still be here. You always know about these things ^_^ | 21:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom i wasnt but i am now | 22:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | artom: adding hw:cpu_policy=dedicated create an implict numa toplogy as if you also set hw:numa_nodes=1 | 22:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | that message however is strange | 22:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Inbar Stolberg proposed openstack/nova master: Fixes server rebuild if NumaTopologyFilter is used with CPU pinning https://review.openstack.org/629646 | 22:10 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, right, I knew about the implicit NUMA topology | 22:13 |
| artom | But... Nova's XML is correct, as far as I can tell, units and everything | 22:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | so i cant find that error upstream | 22:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | what raised it | 22:13 |
| artom | sean-k-mooney, it's from libvirt itsel | 22:13 |
| artom | For all I know it's a bug in qemu/kvm | 22:13 |
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| sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: im just about to log off for the night. looks like bauzas didnt come back online. are you still ok to +w https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605116/? | 23:12 |
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| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: yup | 23:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | thanks :) | 23:13 |
| jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: done | 23:14 |
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| sean-k-mooney | night all o/ | 23:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for sriov live migration https://review.openstack.org/605116 | 23:19 |
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